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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Manny was a bad leader.

But Manny was infinitely more receptive to adapting. He saw Enos style was ***, and got Lashlee (a different system).

Mario saw Gattis was ***, and went to the same exact style apparently.

Manny also didn't have 1/10th of the resources that Mario has. Idk if it makes a difference for Manny, but it's a factor that needs to be mentioned.
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It's not difficult to be receptive to adapting if you're way in over your head and playing with wet matches trying to see which one ignites. The program Manny inherited from Richt is not the program Mario got from Manny. It cannot be stated enough that as a DC-LB/HC-DC-LB coach, Manny couldn't even recruit his own position and bring in top LBs.

Dawson is not Gattis. We've seen what the offense could be (see TAMU). Even last night, the passing concepts were more dynamic. TVD just didn't hit them or stayed in the pocket WAY too **** long and didn't slip out to create because he can't. The interception in the end zone was an open pass. He underthrew it. If he hit it, we'd be praising the play call. Thats not a Mario/Dawson thing. That's a TVD thing. A lot of times, the WRs didn't create space either.

Now what I will say is that the running concepts became stale. When we were running outside zones we were gaining chunk yardage and then all of a sudden we started trying to play between the tackles football. Those that can remember, it was the same exact thing as when we played Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl in 2017. We were gashing them to the outsides with speed and then we started trying to pound the football and the offense went stale. You can get more creative in the run game too, not just passing concepts. That IS a Mario/Dawson thing.

Ultimately, I've been a Mario guy for a long time. Still am. But the "progress" has to start showing as a complete program. I'm not going to blame him for a loss that your QB was responsible for 4 turnovers and could't hit guys on his own team, but I am going to blame him if he doesn't start taking the necessary steps towards improving upon these failures.
 
armandose23 said:
It's not difficult to be receptive to adapting if you're way in over your head and playing with wet matches trying to see which one ignites. The program Manny inherited from Richt is not the program Mario got from Manny. It cannot be stated enough that as a DC-LB/HC-DC-LB coach, Manny couldn't even recruit his own position and bring in top LBs.

Dawson is not Gattis. We've seen what the offense could be (see TAMU). Even last night, the passing concepts were more dynamic. TVD just didn't hit them or stayed in the pocket WAY too **** long and didn't slip out to create because he can't. The interception in the end zone was an open pass. He underthrew it. If he hit it, we'd be praising the play call. Thats not a Mario/Dawson thing. That's a TVD thing. A lot of times, the WRs didn't create space either.

Now what I will say is that the running concepts became stale. When we were running outside zones we were gaining chunk yardage and then all of a sudden we started trying to play between the tackles football. Those that can remember, it was the same exact thing as when we played Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl in 2017. We were gashing them to the outsides with speed and then we started trying to pound the football and the offense went stale. You can get more creative in the run game too, not just passing concepts. That IS a Mario/Dawson thing.

Ultimately, I've been a Mario guy for a long time. Still am. But the "progress" has to start showing as a complete program. I'm not going to blame him for a loss that your QB was responsible for 4 turnovers and could't hit guys on his own team, but I am going to blame him if he doesn't start taking the necessary steps towards improving upon these failures.
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your issue is that youre a Mario guy.

coaching and philosophy have been a huge issue here through 2 seasons. the offense beyond just TVDs issue have more issues schematically and choice of players on the field.

this isnt a first time HC. hes a coaching veteran with over 10 years as an HC. hes also not young. he needs to win big next year or its gonna be tough to justify anything more but were stuck bc of his huge salary. there are other teams who made coaching transitions who INHERITED WORSE SITUATIONS AND ROSTERS and they've done more from a W/L standpoint.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Manny was a bad leader.

But Manny was infinitely more receptive to adapting. He saw Enos style was ***, and got Lashlee (a different system).

Mario saw Gattis was ***, and went to the same exact style apparently.

Manny also didn't have 1/10th of the resources that Mario has. Idk if it makes a difference for Manny, but it's a factor that needs to be mentioned.
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Manny replaced feagles and baxa with hedley and borregales, too, if I’m not mistaken.
 
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armandose23 said:
It's not difficult to be receptive to adapting if you're way in over your head and playing with wet matches trying to see which one ignites. The program Manny inherited from Richt is not the program Mario got from Manny. It cannot be stated enough that as a DC-LB/HC-DC-LB coach, Manny couldn't even recruit his own position and bring in top LBs.

Dawson is not Gattis. We've seen what the offense could be (see TAMU). Even last night, the passing concepts were more dynamic. TVD just didn't hit them or stayed in the pocket WAY too **** long and didn't slip out to create because he can't. The interception in the end zone was an open pass. He underthrew it. If he hit it, we'd be praising the play call. Thats not a Mario/Dawson thing. That's a TVD thing. A lot of times, the WRs didn't create space either.

Now what I will say is that the running concepts became stale. When we were running outside zones we were gaining chunk yardage and then all of a sudden we started trying to play between the tackles football. Those that can remember, it was the same exact thing as when we played Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl in 2017. We were gashing them to the outsides with speed and then we started trying to pound the football and the offense went stale. You can get more creative in the run game too, not just passing concepts. That IS a Mario/Dawson thing.

Ultimately, I've been a Mario guy for a long time. Still am. But the "progress" has to start showing as a complete program. I'm not going to blame him for a loss that your QB was responsible for 4 turnovers and could't hit guys on his own team, but I am going to blame him if he doesn't start taking the necessary steps towards improving upon these failures.
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What? It all starts with Cristomoron and ends with Cristomoron! ! If TVD is not performing the job of a great coach is to make adjustments! He did NOT in the game or season, has NOT! So nice try but your argument falls short!
 
hoops156 said:
your issue is that youre a Mario guy.

coaching and philosophy have been a huge issue here through 2 seasons. the offense beyond just TVDs issue have more issues schematically and choice of players on the field.

this isnt a first time HC. hes a coaching veteran with over 10 years as an HC. hes also not young. he needs to win big next year or its gonna be tough to justify anything more but were stuck bc of his huge salary. there are other teams who made coaching transitions who INHERITED WORSE SITUATIONS AND ROSTERS and they've done more from a W/L standpoint.
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It probably is because I'm a Mario guy. It's also because I was never a Manny guy, even though I wanted him to be successful as I would anyone leading the team. But just because I'm a Mario guy doesn't mean I can't be objective. If we're going to hold him accountable for the offensive woes, we have to praise him for defense then. Or are we going to blame him for failures and praise the coordinators for successes? Ultimately, W's and statistics secondary to W's are what tell the tale.

The team has seen improvement. Do I think we could be doing more? Absolutely. Where I will hold Mario to his salary is in his ability to fix what is wrong, We know what the offense can be. If we don't get back there, that ultimately falls on him. If we continue to have an inability to recruit the type of talent needed to compete with the top teams in CFB, that's on him.

But the same way you mention others have done better in worse situations, others have taken a very long time, Kirby at UGA for example, to win big while inheriting a top 4 SEC roster and at a place that has always had the resources available that Miami has only begun to have. Or have only begun to apply them towards the Athletic Department.
 
armandose23 said:
It probably is because I'm a Mario guy. It's also because I was never a Manny guy, even though I wanted him to be successful as I would anyone leading the team. But just because I'm a Mario guy doesn't mean I can't be objective. If we're going to hold him accountable for the offensive woes, we have to praise him for defense then. Or are we going to blame him for failures and praise the coordinators for successes? Ultimately, W's and statistics secondary to W's are what tell the tale.

The team has seen improvement. Do I think we could be doing more? Absolutely. Where I will hold Mario to his salary is in his ability to fix what is wrong, We know what the offense can be. If we don't get back there, that ultimately falls on him. If we continue to have an inability to recruit the type of talent needed to compete with the top teams in CFB, that's on him.

But the same way you mention others have done better in worse situations, others have taken a very long time, Kirby at UGA for example, to win big while inheriting a top 4 SEC roster and at a place that has always had the resources available that Miami has only begun to have. Or have only begun to apply them towards the Athletic Department.
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I love how you mention Kirby. Kirby in year 1 went 8-5. we aren't going 8-5 this year or last. Kirby in year 2 went to the NC game and lost in OT to Bama. Kirby has been a playoff regular. Kirby took a few years to win a title but it didnt take him long to win big. this Kirby needed years is such a myth. fwiw, he went to the NC game w im pretty sure a freshman QB in fromm. Kirby took them in year 2 closer to a title than richt ever did. also the rumors were during richt at uga is that they didnt want to devote more resources to him (remember when he paid out his assistants through his own salary). Kirby got there and funds increased exponentially
 
I want Manny back. He was at least a bit cerebral in his approach to things and was an above average defensive coordinator despite his shortcomings. Manny knew how to adapt. I can’t thing of anything that Mario does well besides recruiting. And he’s too much of an obstinate arrogant sob to bring in the best coordinators and get out of the ****** way.
 
hoops156 said:
I love how you mention Kirby. Kirby in year 1 went 8-5. we aren't going 8-5 this year or last. Kirby in year 2 went to the NC game and lost in OT to Bama. Kirby has been a playoff regular. Kirby took a few years to win a title but it didnt take him long to win big. this Kirby needed years is such a myth. fwiw, he went to the NC game w im pretty sure a freshman QB in fromm. Kirby took them in year 2 closer to a title than richt ever did. also the rumors were during richt at uga is that they didnt want to devote more resources to him (remember when he paid out his assistants through his own salary). Kirby got there and funds increased exponentially
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I mention Kirby to highlight that he was left with a crazy talented team already by Richt with a top 3 recruiting class committed including the #1 QB in the nation (Jacob Eason). He had a backfield of Nick Chubb and Sony Michel walking through the door.

The increased resources are one thing. UGA under Richt still had more resources than Miami. Richt was the one that got most of their IPF built and wasn’t there to see it finished and then came and built ours.

The fact that it took him 6 years with the team and state of the program he was left is absolutely valid. 8 wins with that talent is an abomination. Much like 5 wins for us last year was an abomination.
 
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WestGA'Cane said:
Cristoballsack🤔??
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meh jay z GIF
 
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