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Year 2 Cristomoron versus Manny

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Angry Ibis said:
In grading Mario’s tenure, I’d probably, put it at:

Coaching: F. We’ve had some really bad losses, clock management issues and decision making. The kneel alone is a fireable offense

Hiring: D. We’re approaching replacing the entire staff within his first 2 years. That’s abysmal, he takes too long to evaluate and the rolodex of interest in coaching with him was vastly overstated.

Recruiting/talent: I. This one is tough. He’s pegged as elite in this area, but we fell from Top 5 in his bump year, lost our #1 recruit after an embarrassing loafer photo, and this year’s class, while incomplete is sluggish… We cannot have that from a HC who needs elite talent to outpace his coaching ability. His portal usage is OK, but lacks elite difference makers at known positions of need.

Culture: C. The 2021 team did not give up on Manny. The 2022 team was a toxic culture including the coaching staff and players. Yesterday we witnessed sideline discontent. The team is undisciplined, plays without organization and appears lost at times.

Overall, Mario has been given more resources, staffing, a better AD, a VP of Football, etc than most previous Miami coaches combined, but he is failure to adapt in multiple facets of the sport, has lead to a rapid decline in trust and support.

People want him to succeed, but it’s tough to trust he will.

His CIS bully slurpers actually make it worse for Mario, as others then actual peel back Mario’s coaching numbers and they just simply aren’t as good as we would all like them to be…

If he doesn’t adapt, and each offseason allows for that opportunity, he’s going to continue to fail at Miami.
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I agree b
cenoc918 said:
Question Does this team not reflects the head coach?. The talent is there and there's no excuses for losing to Ga Tech and NC St. Now i'm to reframe from criticism of CMC till next yr. He should have a complete turn over with all of his players. He does look suspect bro if he brings DVD back. When you say stuff like this (Thats not a Mario/Dawson thing. That's a TVD thing) Not buying that. That's a coaches thing for keeping the same @ss inconsistent turn over machine in the game. The WR's did create space. Bottom line so far CMC isn't impressive. WE shall see next yr' cause this yr is a wash Few bright spots ' but straight garbage and it reflects the coach
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No one is to refrain from criticism. I think that’s a misconception people have. You can be critical and still be a fan and still believe. He hasn’t lost me yet but he’s at the point where he has to start showing, on the field, the “blueprint” he speaks of.

Firing a guy after 2 years when this program has been stuck in mediocrity for 20 is not the move. You have to give him a chance to build but it doesn’t have to be mediocrity or National Championship. There can be measurable progress as time passes. I believe there has been progress this year. You can see in the way the team plays. Let’s see if the record reflects that but next year there has to be another step forward.
 
Angry Ibis said:
In grading Mario’s tenure, I’d probably, put it at:

Coaching: F. We’ve had some really bad losses, clock management issues and decision making. The kneel alone is a fireable offense

Hiring: D. We’re approaching replacing the entire staff within his first 2 years. That’s abysmal, he takes too long to evaluate and the rolodex of interest in coaching with him was vastly overstated.

Recruiting/talent: I. This one is tough. He’s pegged as elite in this area, but we fell from Top 5 in his bump year, lost our #1 recruit after an embarrassing loafer photo, and this year’s class, while incomplete is sluggish… We cannot have that from a HC who needs elite talent to outpace his coaching ability. His portal usage is OK, but lacks elite difference makers at known positions of need.

Culture: C. The 2021 team did not give up on Manny. The 2022 team was a toxic culture including the coaching staff and players. Yesterday we witnessed sideline discontent. The team is undisciplined, plays without organization and appears lost at times.

Overall, Mario has been given more resources, staffing, a better AD, a VP of Football, etc than most previous Miami coaches combined, but he is failure to adapt in multiple facets of the sport, has lead to a rapid decline in trust and support.

People want him to succeed, but it’s tough to trust he will.

His CIS bully slurpers actually make it worse for Mario, as others then actual peel back Mario’s coaching numbers and they just simply aren’t as good as we would all like them to be…

If he doesn’t adapt, and each offseason allows for that opportunity, he’s going to continue to fail at Miami.
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I can get with that even though you didn’t put a grade for recruiting/talent. I agree with the last statement. He has to adapt. So many missed opportunities with that “run between the hashes” style. There’s no way he’s an 8million dollar a year coach with 30+ years of coaching experience and can’t see what the TAMU game looked like and can’t see how exciting that was both for the players/recruiting and the for the fans. His big thing is recruiting and he saw the waves that win created for us as a program.
 
dycane said:
Manny is 100% the better coach. Would probably have better recruiting classes, too, with Mario’s NIL. The last two seasons have been probation era bad and it’s only going to get worse. The coaching impact is palpable every game.
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Why do you guys always get sucked in by these binary choices? It’s not “either, or.” It’s both. Manny and Mario have both produced subpar results on the field as Miami HCs.

(The “Manny is better” talk is a joke anyway. UNC’s RBs just ran the same play for the 100th time and it went for 40 more yards against Manny’s defense while I was typing this).
 
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armandose23 said:
I agree b

No one is to refrain from criticism. I think that’s a misconception people have. You can be critical and still be a fan and still believe. He hasn’t lost me yet but he’s at the point where he has to start showing, on the field, the “blueprint” he speaks of.

Firing a guy after 2 years when this program has been stuck in mediocrity for 20 is not the move. You have to give him a chance to build but it doesn’t have to be mediocrity or National Championship. There can be measurable progress as time passes. I believe there has been progress this year. You can see in the way the team plays. Let’s see if the record reflects that but next year there has to be another step forward.
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TBH with you i expected more way more then what's he's giving use now. This team is a solid 8 n 1. 8 mill n the resources he has. This team has talent. You cant tell me he doesn't recognize this **** sucks. Progress without recognition is a failure. Your destine to fail. You must sacrifice the one for the many
 
armandose23 said:
It's not difficult to be receptive to adapting if you're way in over your head and playing with wet matches trying to see which one ignites. The program Manny inherited from Richt is not the program Mario got from Manny. It cannot be stated enough that as a DC-LB/HC-DC-LB coach, Manny couldn't even recruit his own position and bring in top LBs.

Dawson is not Gattis. We've seen what the offense could be (see TAMU). Even last night, the passing concepts were more dynamic. TVD just didn't hit them or stayed in the pocket WAY too **** long and didn't slip out to create because he can't. The interception in the end zone was an open pass. He underthrew it. If he hit it, we'd be praising the play call. Thats not a Mario/Dawson thing. That's a TVD thing. A lot of times, the WRs didn't create space either.

Now what I will say is that the running concepts became stale. When we were running outside zones we were gaining chunk yardage and then all of a sudden we started trying to play between the tackles football. Those that can remember, it was the same exact thing as when we played Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl in 2017. We were gashing them to the outsides with speed and then we started trying to pound the football and the offense went stale. You can get more creative in the run game too, not just passing concepts. That IS a Mario/Dawson thing.

Ultimately, I've been a Mario guy for a long time. Still am. But the "progress" has to start showing as a complete program. I'm not going to blame him for a loss that your QB was responsible for 4 turnovers and could't hit guys on his own team, but I am going to blame him if he doesn't start taking the necessary steps towards improving upon these failures.
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Or Mario is just a clown. Personally I'm going with the latter.
 
IamaCane4Life said:
In year 1 Cristomoron’ record 5-7 (3-5 conference) Manny Diaz 6-7 (4-4 conference)= MC- 8 million Manny Diaz 4 million salary

Year 2- Cristomoron will end season 7-5 (3-5 conference) Manny Diaz 8-3/(7-2 conference) MC- 8 million Manny Diaz- 4 million

Not saying Manny is a great coach, but is the salary worth it?
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Wario will finish year 2 6-6. Ain’t no way we’re beating BC, The Ville or F$Who. Those could very well all end up seeing us get blown out.

I never thought I’d say this, but Danny Miaz is a coaching savant when compared to Wario “Mr. Tuff & Fizcal” Cristobal.

I’m still try to figure out how this imbecile had the nerve to say at halftime yesterday that he thought the team looked good, and that he loved our physicality.

What in the fugg was he watching from the sidelines? That performance last night by our offense set offensive football back at least 50 years. It was a complete and utter abomination.

Somebody in the program (preferably Zo) has to have the balls to tell him to get the fugg out the way and let Dawson make his own game plan with zero input from Mario.

There are so many things that he needs to improve on to even be a decent HC.

…but this, ladies and gentlemen, is what $80 million gets you at the U. The greatest clown show on earth.
 
razrcane said:
Oh it was very clear for those that were objective.
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I was not in favor of the hire at the time.

That doesn’t mean it was clearly a bad hire. He had Oregon winning 10 games a year after Taggert tried to kill the program… and the UM admin was ready to invest Oregon level resources into the program.

The national consensus was that he was a top-10 level coach. He isn't, not close, but he does recruit and culture build at an elite level.

But people on here who say the admin is toilet water for hiring him are just wrong and way less successful in life than every single person involved in the process to hire Cristobal.
 
AmherstCane said:
I was not in favor of the hire at the time.

That doesn’t mean it was clearly a bad hire. He had Oregon winning 10 games a year after Taggert tried to kill the program… and the UM admin was ready to invest Oregon level resources into the program.

The national consensus was that he was a top-10 level coach. He isn't, not close, but he does recruit and culture build at an elite level.

But people on here who say the admin is toilet water for hiring him are just wrong and way less successful in life than every single person involved in the process to hire Cristobal.
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Just because one is successful in a certain profession doesn't mean they have good judgment in other areas (hiring a coach). I wouldnt want my lawyer performing surgery. The Columbus crew had way too much influence.
 
FL Cane said:
Manny's the reason why we had to almost completely turn over the roster in one year. The reason why this team was full of divas and cancers. His three years of mismanagement here did more damage than Randy or Golden did, combined.
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This is accurate. We did have a rooster loaded with kids thinking about nonfootball things. Like getting to the Canes meant they were made men.

I am disappointed in the GT thing. TVD is having headcase issues that won’t be solved in 6 days.

That said, you have to give a coach a minimum of three years. I am an old old man. But I will get through this year hoping. Next year with all his kids, he best be 8-4 at a minimum.

And Miami v FSU has always been a different game. Talent isn’t everything. That said, they are superior with that QB and WR combo in particular.
 
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The core problem at Miami is the not the ****** CORCH’es but the same stupid mother****as involved in the hiring process.
UM truly needs a HMNC to shutdown any stupid BOT football ideas
 
ADELPHI said:
I want Manny back. He was at least a bit cerebral in his approach to things and was an above average defensive coordinator despite his shortcomings. Manny knew how to adapt. I can’t thing of anything that Mario does well besides recruiting. And he’s too much of an obstinate arrogant sob to bring in the best coordinators and get out of the ****** way.
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FL Cane said:
Manny's the reason why we had to almost completely turn over the roster in one year. The reason why this team was full of divas and cancers. His three years of mismanagement here did more damage than Randy or Golden did, combined.
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Meh, he left PLENTY of talent. It’s just that Mario needs 85 5* guys to succeed because he can’t outcoach anyone with his 1975 power offense.
 
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