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Wednesday deadline for Rose Bowl to join CFP

I have two takes, first it's gonna add what 3 to 4 extra games to their normal 12 to 13 game season, that's as long as the NFL that's a ton of games.
Second there's gonna be a lot of blowouts in these playoff games, we all know there's a massive difference from the top 5 or 6 teams to the #10 to #12 teams so how good are these playoff games gonna be.
I thought 6 to 8 team playoff is ideal
 
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DMoney said:
RIP to the best regular season in sports.

Now games like OSU/Michigan last week mean nothing. Sad to see.
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Very few care enough or have the foresight to agree with this. You had a sport where week one meant the same as week 12 and you ruin it for the playoff addiction this country has.
 
88 said:
Very few care enough or have the foresight to agree with this. You had a sport where week one meant the same as week 12 and you ruin it for the playoff addiction this country has.
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And you further ruin the other bowls.
 
DMoney said:
RIP to the best regular season in sports.

Now games like OSU/Michigan last week mean nothing. Sad to see.
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That game will mean something if each team is 1-10 going into it. Maybe not to people on the outside looking in who are solely playoff focused but Ohio State as a whole is in a crisis. Ex players tweeting about the current players not understanding the importance of the rivalry. Toughness getting questioned. Lots of “Urban would’ve never let this happen” talk. Those things don’t have anything to do with missing out on the playoff. A playoff they still might make anyway if USC or TCU lose. The reactions to that loss would be the same even if they knew they were gonna make a 12-team playoff.

Too many people have allowed ESPN marketing to turn the season into the CFP invitational. A CFP which is usually terrible with semifinals that feature 3 TD scoring margins.
 
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Gsugradcanefan said:
Why are cfb fans the most resistant to change? every other major sport in college has some type of tournament/playoff and does just fine. Only in D1 cfb do fans **** and moan about a REAL playoff system.
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College football has a playoff.

Adding 8 more teams will get us no closer to finding the best team. Four is the right number, and even then there are a usually a couple teams that don’t belong.
 
DMoney said:
College football has a playoff.

Adding 8 more teams will get us no closer to finding the best team. Four is the right number, and even then there are a usually a couple teams that don’t belong.
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And people complained when the initial 4 team playoff was instituted.

That's simply not true. With 8 teams there will be little to no argument about who was left out/didn't deserve to be there. Any team who comes out on top of a 12 team playoff has definitely earned the right to be called champion. It won't make the regular season any less significant.. In fact, you will likely see less teams schedule cupcakes during the regular season as they look to bolster their OOC matchups to have a better chance of being ranked for the playoff at the end of the season. The post season has been dying for some time now as players who are expected to be drafted opt out of the bowl games bc their team is not in the playoff. This helps to remedy that. Also, more games = more revenues for conferences/schools. Lastly, there will be a much greater chance for a non-SEC team to win. There has only been 2 (Ohio St and Clemson) to win the cfp in its 7/8 year history.
 
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Gsugradcanefan said:
That's simply not true. With 8 teams there will be little to no argument about who was left out/didn't deserve to be there.
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There will always be an argument. People will argue about the 9th team, or the 13th team in a 12-game playoff.

Go throughout history, whether it's 2004, 2000 or 1991. A four-team playoff solves every debate about the best team. Adding 8 more teams only adds more overmatched teams that don't deserve to be there.
 
DMoney said:
There will always be an argument. People will argue about the 9th team, or the 13th team in a 12-game playoff.

Go throughout history, whether it's 2004, 2000 or 1991. A four-team playoff solves every debate about the best team. Adding 8 more teams only adds more overmatched teams that don't deserve to be there.
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Your first statement contradicts the second one. As you said, there will always be an argument about which team deserved to get in over the other. That being said, having a 12 team playoff (i figured it would go to 8 but am 100% fine with 12) reduces that argument. If a team that got in at 10 goes on a run and wins it all, then no one can say they didn't earn the trophy or deserve to be there. FCS has had a playoff for as long as i can remember and no one debates that the national champion didn't earn it/deserve to be there.

There's really no overmatched team as you are seeing more and more in cfb that any team can rise up and beat a far more superior team on any given day. TX A&M just beat LSU, who beat Bama, who lost to TN, who got ran over by S. Carolina. Even the far and away favorite UGA didn't look their absolute best against McNeese St.
 
Dghustla said:
8 was right there for the perfect number to expand but still keep the regular season important.

5 -P5 conference champions
1- best group of 5 team
2 - at large bids
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This was the perfect system....but we had to find a way to give the SEC byes and a couple more "unofficial" auto-bids.
 
DMoney said:
RIP to the best regular season in sports.

Now games like OSU/Michigan last week mean nothing. Sad to see.
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Technically with one loss on Saturday that game could have been meaningless anyways...

If USC or TCU loses, OSU is gonna get in anyways probably.

Edited to add I don't like the 12 teams either.. just going to end up the same place anyways with a bunch of blowouts before that...
 
DMoney said:
There will always be an argument. People will argue about the 9th team, or the 13th team in a 12-game playoff.

Go throughout history, whether it's 2004, 2000 or 1991. A four-team playoff solves every debate about the best team. Adding 8 more teams only adds more overmatched teams that don't deserve to be there.
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Buddy and I literally just talked about this on our podcast yesterday. We went from debating the best one loss team to debating the best two loss team; we’ll soon be debating the best three loss team. As long as there is an at large, there will be bias.

What we talked about is a 6 team format with highest ranked conference winners or 12 team with ten conference winners and two at large. Make the conference championship games de facto playoff games.

I’d share the link to the episodes but don’t want to break any board rules unless D$ gives the thumbs up.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
Why are cfb fans the most resistant to change? every other major sport in college has some type of tournament/playoff and does just fine. Only in D1 cfb do fans **** and moan about a REAL playoff system.
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What is wrong with loving something that is unique? If you're so into playoffs, there are plenty of sports to watch.
 
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CreativeCane said:
Buddy and I literally just talked about this on our podcast yesterday. We went from debating the best one loss team to debating the best two loss team; we’ll soon be debating the best three loss team. As long as there is an at large, there will be bias.

What we talked about is a 6 team format with highest ranked conference winners or 12 team with ten conference winners and two at large. Make the conference championship games de facto playoff games.

I’d share the link to the episodes but don’t want to break any board rules unless D$ gives the thumbs up.
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But even those won't get you the best teams.

Take this weekend for example. If LSU beats UGA or UNC beats Clemson or Utah beats USC or worst Purdue beats Michigan. Does an 8-4 Purdue really deserve to get in over 11-1 Ohio State or 12-1 Michigan or 10-2 Bama?

Only way that might work is if conferences get rid of divisions.

Then you may end up with a lot of rematches in the conf championship like OSU vs Mich and Clemson vs FSU and USC vs Oregon type games but at least you'll have the 2 best teams in the conference playing for the conf championship.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
Your first statement contradicts the second one. As you said, there will always be an argument about which team deserved to get in over the other. That being said, having a 12 team playoff (i figured it would go to 8 but am 100% fine with 12) reduces that argument. If a team that got in at 10 goes on a run and wins it all, then no one can say they didn't earn the trophy or deserve to be there. FCS has had a playoff for as long as i can remember and no one debates that the national champion didn't earn it/deserve to be there.

There's really no overmatched team as you are seeing more and more in cfb that any team can rise up and beat a far more superior team on any given day. TX A&M just beat LSU, who beat Bama, who lost to TN, who got ran over by S. Carolina. Even the far and away favorite UGA didn't look their absolute best against McNeese St.
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Actually, it increases the argument. It doesn't reduce the argument. There are 8 more teams that have a legitimate claim to being in the top 12. When it is a 2- or 4-team playoff, there are only one or two teams with a complaint.
 
Yoyo82 said:
Take this weekend for example. If LSU beats UGA or UNC beats Clemson or Utah beats USC or worst Purdue beats Michigan. Does an 8-4 Purdue really deserve to get in over 11-1 Ohio State or 12-1 Michigan or 10-2 Bama?
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This is my biggest argument against the "automatic bid" concept. Do we really need to see #4 USC hosting #12 Purdue in a playoff game just because Purdue pulled off one win?
 
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