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We better have a Top 10 defensive backfield this year

Liberty City El said:
He was bad in a lot of games (UNC, CMU, Va Tech GTech, FIU & Duke).

I think a lot of people on board have simply overlooked his poor performances or they just forgot, but I rewatched every one of those games (I recorded them all on my DVR) & people really don't understand how often he was beat, there was just a lot of times the QB either didn't throw at him or made a bad throw, but I'm telling you, he was beat so much it was ridiculous.

The UNC game he was exposed by offenses, Phil Longo figured out all you have to do is make him run down the field & you'll beat him every time, they discovered that he gets ate up vs the Deep ball.

UVA put on a clinic vs him too, **** near every play they was throwing at him because he simply couldn't get his feet under him & was playing too wide out of his stance at the LOS, he gets beat off the first move by the WR on the line because his footwork is subpar & he doesn't stagger his feet, he lines up too square & he does what we call "Opening the gate" which is basically allowing the WR a free release, so as soon as the WR takes a step off the line he's already trailing.

Not trying to bash the kid or pile on, but I just think it's being undersold that CB is a issue due to lack of depth & the fact the CB2 has a long ways to go before he deserves blind fan confidence in his ability to hold down his side of the field.

It's why I've been screaming all offseason for a GT CB, but unfortunately it's gonna be one of those things that we just have to deal with all season. Because trust it, OC's are gonna attack TF out of Ivey's side of the field.
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Why are you expecting a top 10 pass defense then?
 
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Liberty City El said:
He was bad in a lot of games (UNC, CMU, Va Tech GTech, FIU & Duke).

I think a lot of people on board have simply overlooked his poor performances or they just forgot, but I rewatched every one of those games (I recorded them all on my DVR) & people really don't understand how often he was beat, there was just a lot of times the QB either didn't throw at him or made a bad throw, but I'm telling you, he was beat so much it was ridiculous.

The UNC game he was exposed by offenses, Phil Longo figured out all you have to do is make him run down the field & you'll beat him every time, they discovered that he gets ate up vs the Deep ball.

UVA put on a clinic vs him too, **** near every play they was throwing at him because he simply couldn't get his feet under him & was playing too wide out of his stance at the LOS, he gets beat off the first move by the WR on the line because his footwork is subpar & he doesn't stagger his feet, he lines up too square & he does what we call "Opening the gate" which is basically allowing the WR a free release, so as soon as the WR takes a step off the line he's already trailing.

Not trying to bash the kid or pile on, but I just think it's being undersold that CB is a issue due to lack of depth & the fact the CB2 has a long ways to go before he deserves blind fan confidence in his ability to hold down his side of the field.

It's why I've been screaming all offseason for a GT CB, but unfortunately it's gonna be one of those things that we just have to deal with all season. Because trust it, OC's are gonna attack TF out of Ivey's side of the field.
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Here's a serious and not sarcastic question for you LCE. Do you have a coaching baxkground? You seem more knowledgeable and astute than the average poster.
 
Even writing off those elite of the elite 5-star guys like Jobe, PS2 and Campbell, I don't think Rumph has done a good enough job of identifying, recruiting and landing that next level of 4-star CBs like a Blades or Bandy, who may not be the most elite, but can still be a part of an elite defensive backfield.

Now, I don't know if he's handcuffed by who he can offer (I've read that rumor), or he's really bad at identifying talent, or he's just a weirdo who can't connect with recruits, but whatever the reason is, he hasn't built proper depth at the CB position. We are dangerously thin at CB. Basically one injury away from relying an extremely inexperienced CB.
 
Liberty City El said:
His lack of recovery speed is troubling.

His main issue is he doesn't makeup for what he lacks in speed with top notch technique, his technique is just as poor as his natural traits.

His worst game was vs Duke, he got beat like a rented mule & was trailing behind every WR he covered.

I think Rumph likes him a great deal so he'll be the automatic starter but he's going to be a problem for us in coverage if we don't wise up & play someone better at that spot.

Al Jr is going to be **** good & is by far the best CB imo.
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I still haven’t recovered from Ivey‘s play on the fake punt against Gtech. I sincerely think he lacks the processing speed to play at the highest level, that doesn’t mean he isn’t smart or does poorly in school. But quick decision making is its own trait and I think Ivey lacks it. Which makes him look slower than he really is. The proverbial “step slow”.
 
hoops156 said:
isnt jobe awful at bama?

also, no shot at an elam or a Wilson. you know that
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How do we know when the staff slow played him? I think PFF had him graded as UF's most impactful player last year. I was singing his praises all through his recruitment. Whether he would have signed with Miami or not the staff whiffed on his evaluation. That's more embarrassing than the other local misses that everyone loves to ***** about on here.
 
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nycane said:
guvan and bubba wer every good together. we need christian williams or couch to step up, cant be a great defense with ivy starting.
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Facts dj can't be out there and bubba proved me wrong while he was in there. Kid played fast
 
brock said:
The

this, **** you can make the argument blades had a better sophmore season than any of the dbs that were in that 2018 class in south Florida which includes guys like campbell/surtain etc and that’s not an exaggeration
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There was at least one poster on here who said he had better cover skills than any of those DBs before they got on campus.

:bobross:
 
Coach Macho said:
Apparently if you're not a starter and certified stud by your 2nd year of playing on a top-5 college football team then you're a scrub. LOL

Love this site.
Straight up sour grapes.

Every one of these kids yall are bitter about would start in our secondary RIGHT NOW.
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Those guys definitely aren’t scrubs yet but they also haven’t lived up to expectations to date either. Campbell got benched because he wasn’t playing well and hasn’t been nearly as impressive as people expected. That’s a fact. Jobe has been mostly a special teams player. That’s a fact. Those guys are still more talented than the guys starting at Miami. All of these things can be true and they can still be better than the Corners we have here. Nothing sour about that.
 
DMoney said:
Or the high-profile recruiting losses will really hurt.

247Sports recently released projected depth charts for Alabama, Florida and Georgia. All four of Bama’s projected starting DBs (Surtain, Jobe, Battle and Wright) were from South Florida. Three of Florida’s starters (Wilson, Elam and Davis) were from South Florida. Finally, two of Georgia’s starters (Tyrique and Campbell) were from South Florida, along with their top backup (Wilson).

There is plenty of talent in Miami’s defensive backfield. Eleven total four stars. But given what has left the region, we need Rumph and Banda to coach our guys to an elite level. 37th in yards per pass attempt is not good enough, especially considering our pass rush. Anything less than a Top 10 finish is a failure.
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Solid point, but Bubba, Gurvan, Blades, and either Williams or Couch looks pretty **** good to me.
 
Skip Cane said:
We have issues at CB. Main targets have been missed year after year. When this manure happens this is what you get. Al Blades being your top corner. He’s really a number 2 at best right now. Ivey wouldn’t see the field If we had hit on one or two of are many misses. Nickle is a joke. Bandy left us in a jam and he wasn’t even a true shut down corner.
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You basing who’s a lockdown corner off of HS rankings...here you go
247sports.com

2016 Top Cornerback Recruits

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.
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2016 CB rankings..who in the top10 proved to be shutdown corners?..u have reach all the way To 20th..some didn’t even transition to CB. Now sometimes when the class at a position is stacked there’s talented in the top half of those ranking who hit. Like in2017. But most the time those rankings need to get tossed out the window..as far as our guys, here’s an example, who ever would’ve thought micheal Jackson would have ever become a number 1 corner for us after his first 2 years at Miami..I for one thought MJ was gonna be nice out of HS based on his measurables, and ball skills that showed up on tape..but most asked why do we have togo Bama to reach for a 3 star corner..point is this, blades, Williams and ivey have to tools to thrive in this system on the outside. They just needed a year in the fire. Most of their mistakes imo are things you see with younger CBs
 
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DMoney said:
A couple people I’ve talked to on the inside think that Ivey has the highest upside and will ultimately be the best CB.

Obviously, it’s just their opinion, and they realize that Ivey had a very rough start. But I thought it was interesting.
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Really hope this pans out. Wish he would call lay with more physicality and awareness. That could help make up for his lack of speed on the boundary.

I want to see more traditional nickel and Ivey breaking through would go a long way to making that happen.
 
Liberty City El said:
When you're guaranteed to start no matter how bad you play, there's no need for urgency.

That's the problem, he can play terribly & he knows he has nothing to worry about because he's a Coaches favorite, therefore the threat of losing playing time is nonexistent.
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In all fairness Liberty the kid has been putting in the extra work with Th3 Lab so I guess we’ll see if that helps turn his upcoming season around. He is definitely the weakest link in the secondary but that doesn’t mean he’s weak. I think maybe he played too much in his head, thinking instead of reacting? IDK mate just trying to give him some benefit of the doubt and hoping that working with Scottie will rub off in a good way on his play in 2020.
 
I would give Rumph a solid C overall in his UM coaching career, which includes both on field coaching and recruiting. Has picked up some players with potential that were rated highly coming out of HS. Development-wise, mixed bag thus far. Sure, Blades and Ivey starting last season as underclassman and being green was a difficult task so, I can't judge him completely on that performance, but if they don't develop into above average players on the field this next season, that would be an indictment on Rumph. 2018 recruits are his guys just like Bandy was. He did a decent job with Bandy with having him at nickel. Attrition forced Rumph to play Bandy last season on the outside, which isn't Bandy's strength based on measurables. The fact that we only brought Bandy in at cb that year is totally on Rumph. Again, I would give him a C at this point, but this next season should be a defining year for Rumph by how his guys perform on the field.
 
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