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L A M P said:
He wasn’t fine. I literally call out his plays 85% pre-snap. Just because we out-talent people doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to out-scheme them as well. Get more creative. Use your weapons. Get Lofton the ball.
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I mean if u can do it then everyone else should be doing it as well
 
DMoney said:
I’ll have more detailed thoughts after the rewatch, but all that matters to me is that we are a real program again. We were a joke for 20 years. These types of games were not competitive. Teams like Alabama were playing a different sport.

Now, we can play big-boy football with any team in the country. Alabama is dead. The sport is open. And we are a real program again.
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Funny. We've heard this at least 5 -7 times the past two decades. We are always "back" until something goes wrong and then the fans turn on the program. We've had what, two bowl wins in the past 23 years, and none in a game with any meaning.

I am happy we won for sure, but lets pump the brakes a bit. We play 3 teams in our state over the next five weeks. I think we will handle USF, then lets see how things go against UF at home and the Noles in October up in Trailer.
 
NicKane said:
Facts! Now can you please for the love of God fix the ad problem on this website? It’s back way out of hand again and it makes it like you don’t even wanna come on here!
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Ever 6 months CIS decides do make it harder for posters to enjoy this site.

This is who they are. 🤷‍♂️
 
Bout to rewatch it... need to see the DB play because I was not impressed, but TBH I was fumbling over the roster and slamming G4 and sodas (if you don't know you better find out).

7 did not look like an NFLer. Can't recall much if anything all from Brantley, Lucas or O'Conner. Scott made a nice play but 7 tackled more of our guys than theirs from what I saw. I'm juiced for the win but we been told we have one of the best DB rooms in college. If that's not a serious upgrade over last year its hard not to be skerd. That was not anything close to what LSUs or ND.

We face a fresh QB but and we have a tough *** schedule. We have to be able to stop dynamic passing Os.

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Brooklyndee said:
Even from standing twenty to thirty yards away on several of these bigger passing plays, it's pitiful how the refs try to bend us over a barrel constantly. Their DBS held all game and they called nothing. Typical favoritism.
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ND DBs over the past few years might be the most handsy groups in the nation. When I was watching guys like Ben Morrison for draft purposes, its wild at how little of their play gets called and they are always grabby, excessive contact, etc and then get called back pocket defenders, but it looks like PI all over the place to me.

Then I saw Poyser get called for PI for the same **** ND was doing all game (slight grab of the towel on a break) with no call. (Then Poyser put the best RB in the nation on his ******* *** 2 plays later to hault their drive. He was livid.)

Toward the end of the game, the refs got so used to calling PI on Miami, the ref even signaled wrong initially on the PI that got Miami down the field to seal the game.

Refs sucked tonight for sure.
 
clg003 said:
Bout to rewatch it... need to see the DB play because I was not impressed, but TBH I was fumbling over the roster and slamming G4 and sodas (if you don't know you better find out).

7 did not look like an NFLer. Can't recall much if anything all from Brantley, Lucas or O'Conner. Scott made a nice play but 7 tackled more of our guys than theirs from what I saw. I'm juiced for the win but we been told we have one of the best DB rooms in college. If that's not a serious upgrade over last year its hard not to be skerd. That was not anything close to what LSUs or ND.

We face a fresh QB but and we have a tough *** schedule. We have to be able to stop dynamic passing Os.

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Poyser to me looked like he had a rough game
 
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Brooklyndee said:
You can bet it. But I know for a fact that's a losing bet for you. When I speak on these kinds of issues it's because I'm aware who's responsible. Mario isn't hands on like that from snap to snap. He's not calling in what we run each down...
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No not calling what to run, more saying don’t take any shots, or just run it….

Or maybe Beck needs to just take more control and change plays when necessary.

I like Dawson but my problem with the run game is more to do with Mario imo. The whole mentality of short splits and condensing everything and running between the guards every run….

Also no play action (I think play action sucks out of shotgun). Like personally I’d run 11 or 10 (or have TE split out) and pistol majority of plays. Sure I’m not saying never to get cindensed, but I also think being condensed works 10x better under center, when you can do REALLY play action..
 
supacane said:
The only thing I didn't like about Mario was the first half timeouts which he thankfully didnt do in the 2nd half. Other than that he had the players ready to go.

The game for me was on Dawson with those vanilla *** calls. Not sure why there was not more motions and also getn the ball in Lofton's hand. If we can use him in so many ways why not, especially in short yardage.

Seems like a reflex to blame Cristobal for everything and let's not also forget we will take a backseat to no one in OL play once he is here. It's refreshing.

Also we must be reminded that its the first game with a new DC, bunch of new pieces in the secondary and all over the offense. Pretty sure execution is not where it can be when u consider the opponent. Like they were one game from being the defending national champions and brought a ton back. I'm not impressed or shocked that we beat them. Most of their plays either came from our mistakes or the refs with sketchy calls.
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mario and dawson talked about how much they "self-scouted" last year's games. well, not ******* enough in my opinion because they repeated the same cot**** mistakes with their only 2 running plays
 
Shooter McGavin said:
It will be interesting to see if anyone has the balls to argue with you on this
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I'll take the bait here. After the touchdown in the second half, the drives looked like:

- Stopped for no gain on 3rd and 1 in our own territory. Could Dawson have been more inventive, sure, but we just finished ramming it down their throat one possession ago, so tough to criticize the decision for inside run.

- Drive stalled because of a questionable holding on Cooper on a downfield wheel route.

- The drive after Bain's pick was the most egregious. I thought we could have been smarter about the 3rd and 3 call.

- Drive with two incomplete passes on second and third down. Not sure what more you want with the playcalling.

- Field goal drive, maybe a little conservative at the end of the drive. Didn't love settling for a field goal.

The fallacy of conservative playcalling is the assuming that we would have guys running open down field. ND has an excellent secondary and we have a mediocre receiving corps. We were abusing them up front for the most part, so trying to push the ball downfield...something that didn't work ONCE all game...is a risky proposition.

If it keeps happening for the rest of the season against lesser defenses then okay, but I don't have too much of an issue with the decision-making here.
 
Southtampacane said:
Funny. We've heard this at least 5 -7 times the past two decades. We are always "back" until something goes wrong and then the fans turn on the program. We've had what, two bowl wins in the past 23 years, and none in a game with any meaning.

I am happy we won for sure, but lets pump the brakes a bit. We play 3 teams in our state over the next five weeks. I think we will handle USF, then lets see how things go against UF at home and the Noles in October up in Trailer.
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BCC is a Florida team too. Just saying. Haha
 
The U is back to work said:
There is a ton of talent on this team and that ND team was loaded and very well coached. Most disappointed in Dawson TBH but Mario had them ready.
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Just curious what particularly bothered you about Dawson? I thought they went too conversative up 2 scores but that may be Mario dictating. But overall for having a new QB to his system (experienced nontheless), and playing alot of young WRs, we did a pretty good job against a really stout offense. We didn't take advantage of two times with good field position off turnovers, but overall thought we did pretty well.
 
Juancane said:
Just curious what particularly bothered you about Dawson? I thought they went too conversative up 2 scores but that may be Mario dictating. But overall for having a new QB to his system (experienced nontheless), and playing alot of young WRs, we did a pretty good job against a really stout offense. We didn't take advantage of two times with good field position off turnovers, but overall thought we did pretty well.
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The run designs were terrible all game
 
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MikeyCanez said:
I'll take the bait here. After the touchdown in the second half, the drives looked like:

- Stopped for no gain on 3rd and 1 in our own territory. Could Dawson have been more inventive, sure, but we just finished ramming it down their throat one possession ago, so tough to criticize the decision for inside run.

- Drive stalled because of a questionable holding on Cooper on a downfield wheel route.

- The drive after Bain's pick was the most egregious. I thought we could have been smarter about the 3rd and 3 call.

- Drive with two incomplete passes on second and third down. Not sure what more you want with the playcalling.

- Field goal drive, maybe a little conservative at the end of the drive. Didn't love settling for a field goal.

The fallacy of conservative playcalling is the assuming that we would have guys running open down field. ND has an excellent secondary and we have a mediocre receiving corps. We were abusing them up front for the most part, so trying to push the ball downfield...something that didn't work ONCE all game...is a risky proposition.

If it keeps happening for the rest of the season against lesser defenses then okay, but I don't have too much of an issue with the decision-making here.
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To add a bit to your point, the refs either favored or respected their dbs more than our receivers. Two blatant holds on Toney and Trader that could have been TDs or big gains at a minimum were ignored.
 
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