Was 4th and 14 the best thing to happen to UM?....

[k9cane]

still haven't come down from this Cristobal/Rad high, but it got me thinking -- since two people had said to me that Manny winning out would have increased his chances of sticking around (something that is debatable, but also believable) --- but FSU winning that game being the best thing to happen to Miami in the long run. That being the absolute nail in the coffin for Manny/Blake.

Honestly, I couldn't have stomached another season with Diaz under any circumstance.

Now to see Mario and the stuff he's already doing in hitting the pavement in recruiting, has got me more excited than the Pointer Sisters.

BTW, I was told a story about a player (and I can't reveal who, lol) who transferred to another program late in his career. Someone asked him what the difference was between that and Miami, and his response was basically : I really didn't even know what big-time college football was, how tough it is, and really what football was, till I got there (to the other program).

So yeah, that's what Mario has to change. And it will be interesting to see who gets weeded out after the spring practices. I think this will be a culture shock to more than a few guys on the current squad

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

If Mario restores Miami to an actual team nobody wants to play and dominates the conference, then yes would answer your question

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

This plan was put in motion well before 4th and 14. That said, Forfeit State was probably the nail in the coffin for Manny/Blake.
I hate losing, and I especially hate losing to Forfeit State, but if Mario has us competing for the playoffs in the next few years and being "in the hunt" on a nearly yearly basis, then it will have been worth it.

 

[edge]

What year did that player transfer?

 

[orange&green84]

I think you’re referencing Cager

 

[k9cane]

This plan was put in motion well before 4th and 14. That said, Forfeit State was probably the nail in the coffin for Manny/Blake.
I hate losing, and I especially hate losing to Forfeit State, but if Mario has us competing for the playoffs in the next few years and being "in the hunt" on a nearly yearly basis, then it will have been worth it.

No Fly, if there ever was a year to lose to FSU, I guess this is the one. I find losses to rivals in seasons where you are really good (such as the 89 loss) to be much more painful (not that any of them are particularly enjoyable)

 

[Baba Yaga]

Pretty sure this was all set in motion after Mich St.

 

[5XNC]

I’ll take the L for a year. A win over fsu probably has fsu ready to fire norvell. Instead, it bought him another year. Us winning g out probably didn’t get Diaz fired. We all know norvell isn’t the guy, so, funny how this “L” was really a W.

 

[HerbieDaGawd]

still haven't come down from this Cristobal/Rad high, but it got me thinking -- since two people had said to me that Manny winning out would have increased his chances of sticking around (something that is debatable, but also believable) --- but FSU winning that game being the best thing to happen to Miami in the long run. That being the absolute nail in the coffin for Manny/Blake.

Honestly, I couldn't have stomached another season with Diaz under any circumstance.

Now to see Mario and the stuff he's already doing in hitting the pavement in recruiting, has got me more excited than the Pointer Sisters.

BTW, I was told a story about a player (and I can't reveal who, lol) who transferred to another program late in his career. Someone asked him what the difference was between that and Miami, and his response was basically : I really didn't even know what big-time college football was, how tough it is, and really what football was, till I got there (to the other program).

So yeah, that's what Mario has to change. And it will be interesting to see who gets weeded out after the spring practices. I think this will be a culture to more than a few guys on the current squad

So you're saying that more Top Golf and civics lessons aren't what we need?

 

[k9cane]

So you're saying that more Top Golf and civics lessons aren't what we need?

LOL, in all fairness all teams do this kinda stuff.

But the practices under our former DC/head coach, boggle thing mind in terms of how... (double negative alert) - not physical they were.

 

[k9cane]

Pretty sure this was all set in motion after Mich St.

yes it was, but again, the FSU loss eliminated ANY chance of Diaz rising like the mighty Phoenix

 

[HerbieDaGawd]

LOL, in all fairness all teams do this kinda stuff.

But the practices under our former DC/head coach, boggle thing mind in terms of how... (double negative alert) - not physical they were.

So our tackling practice then?

 

[k9cane]

So our tackling practice then?

LOL, that or glorified pillow fights...

One thing that was noticeable was when Tyrique Stevenson made tackles this season, they just sounded different than everyone else on our team

 

[5XNC]

Like Gloria said to billy Hoyle, sometimes in life, when you lose, you really win

 

[ThomasM]

I can't remember which poster laughed at me for saying Manny would get fired if he won every game but the FSU game. I do believe that winning out would have saved his job, but that FSU loss was just so bad, so unforgivable, that he couldn't survive it. It brought into question all the close wins that could have been losses instead of the close losses that could have been wins. Winning out would have been big for Manny. Maybe he gets fired anyway, but it sure made it easy after the FSU loss.

 

[motorcitycane]

still haven't come down from this Cristobal/Rad high, but it got me thinking -- since two people had said to me that Manny winning out would have increased his chances of sticking around (something that is debatable, but also believable) --- but FSU winning that game being the best thing to happen to Miami in the long run. That being the absolute nail in the coffin for Manny/Blake.

Honestly, I couldn't have stomached another season with Diaz under any circumstance.

Now to see Mario and the stuff he's already doing in hitting the pavement in recruiting, has got me more excited than the Pointer Sisters.

BTW, I was told a story about a player (and I can't reveal who, lol) who transferred to another program late in his career. Someone asked him what the difference was between that and Miami, and his response was basically : I really didn't even know what big-time college football was, how tough it is, and really what football was, till I got there (to the other program).

So yeah, that's what Mario has to change. And it will be interesting to see who gets weeded out after the spring practices. I think this will be a culture shock to more than a few guys on the current squad

I feel like if we beat UNC, UVA, and FSU and finished 10-2 he would still be here.

And I’m with you. Even with that record I didn’t want him here another year

 

[Go Canes!!]

He’s gone. It’s over.

When and why is irrelevant.

Time to move on.

 

[GonzoCane]

“Best thing” is a little weird. It was a catalyst for change to be sure. But as others pointed out, their was a growing realization by people of influence that major changes, or a paradigm shift, was more desirable than the path we were taking.

 

[ThomasM]

Pretty sure this was all set in motion after Mich St.

Perhaps, but TVD getting in there and us looking like a different team meant something. The FSU loss showed everyone that even with the hottest QB in college football, Manny still found a way to lose. That was a giant nail that wasn't ever coming out of his coffin.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Could be even better if FSU takes Manny for his supposed recruiting prowess is south Florida.