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Upon Further Review: Miami vs. Notre Dame

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AUcane said:
I was looking for that comment, figuring you would point it out but didn't see it! Guess I skimmed through too fast! Anyway, hope it's not a nervous tick - that might lead to some problems. Thanks.
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Wasn’t it Fromm that used to do that? I remember another Georgia QB doing it and it being talked about.

Edit: yeah it was Fromm

 
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Riley and Arroyo struggled run blocking early last year too, and improved as the year went on. Coincidentally our run game got better as the year went on.

With those wham blocks there's probably nothing like game reps. Also, since Lofton was limited in practice could further explain some of the struggles.

There were a couple of times he and Bauman were blocking on the same side, and it looked like Lofton was confused who to block and when to get to the next level - the second to last run in 4th was one. They both disengaged the guy who made the tackle as McCoy ended up with a nice block on his guy that was for naught.
 
flips said:
Riley and Arroyo struggled run blocking early last year too, and improved as the year went on. Coincidentally our run game got better as the year went on.

With those wham blocks there's probably nothing like game reps. Also, since Lofton was limited in practice could further explain some of the struggles.

There were a couple of times he and Bauman were blocking on the same side, and it looked like Lofton was confused who to block and when to get to the next level - the second to last run in 4th was one. They both disengaged the guy who made the tackle as McCoy ended up with a nice block on his guy that was for naught.
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Yup. I called it out. I was incredulous watching because it was out the gate if he blocks that LB.
 
Hey @Lance Roffers big fan of the show here

Quick question for ya

Is it ideal for a RT to be looking like he’s trying to sack his own QB? You’re far more astute at this stuff than I am so just curious

@gogeta4 what do you think of the RT technique here?

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@Lance Roffers amd @DMoney I rewatched the game but 31 look lost out there. He seems he appeared to be taking bad angles, late to the hole and missing tackles a lot. Did you see the same thing and do you think we have better option at that position or a better player that played that game to replace him.
 
Good stuff.

Didn’t know where else to put this and it’s on topic. I was listening to DBJ and he doubled down on the WR’s blocking performance. He stated after watching the all 22 tape, after the OL/DL group, our WRs were the most impressive unit of the night. Says he has never seen anything like what he saw the other night and that our WRs wore out their guys for 60 minutes.

Here it is, starts at the 4 min mark:

 
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Lance Roffers said:
Not to harp on it too much, but I saw it in the 1Q and from that point on, 9 hasn’t been asked to slice in either split flow or wham action, it’s been 87 exclusively. Here he gets the block and opens up the lane for Brown to hit the split flow crease.
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That’s a hold, though it’s not egregious. Called on Miami. Fine, he’s turning and impeding the rush as he hooks him. How about these DB’s who constantly grabbed and held the receivers and were called for it only once (on a blatant trip that saved a TD). He nearly pulls Toney’s jersey off his shoulder pads in the open field, this is textbook defensive holding or PI (depends on if ball is in air). This stretch of time for the officials was a really rough stretch.
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#5 whipped Maigoa with a spin move here. Really nice from him. Don’t love the two outlets like this and nothing in the middle at the sticks from our route concept.
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Bain gets the glory, but this is another play that speaks to the way this defense is rallying to the football in a way that they simply didn’t do last year. Damari Brown jumps their screen they’ve run all night because he has help. That help you can’t see in this screenshot, but he actually gets the third tip after Brown tips it, then the receiver tips it, then Scott tips it, then Bain, who is running from some distance away keeps his motor going and picks it off. Any one of these players takes anything for granted and it falls harmlessly.
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Friends, if 9 can’t block better than this he isn’t going to play a ton, it’s that simple. He’s literally lifted off his fee by one arm of the defender and bullied into the backfield and 27 makes the tackle.
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9 pretty much tackles the RB with his back on this play. He’s straight bullied by 27, who is 6-3, 230 on their roster.
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This is a bad play by Toure here. You’re the force player and have two friends inside. The only place you can’t get beat outside and he runs inside here and lets Love run right by him outside. Can’t have it.
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We saw this all over the Hetherman tape. Low safety opposite RB will be a creeper and insert himself into the pressure package with LB coming off slot as the fifth man. Mike is lining up over the B-gap to protect that gap from exposure. What that means is he has to get all the way outside if the RB releases and he’s already lost leverage. That happens here and it’s an easy completion outside. Good play call by ND, well scouted and saved it for a big spot.
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It’s 2nd-and-1 so I get why Scott is bailing early for a deep shot (that’s a normal time to take a shot) and instead it’s a deep comeback and he’s wide open. Good play call again for that situation, but Miami made it too easy.
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Mesidor spot drops and the QB takes off. 3 just isn’t used to having to change directions like this in the open field. Toure does thump the QB here as he comes across the field.
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I’ve knocked Moten a few times for getting washed down in run defense or for jumping inside when he needs to stay in his gap, but here he knocks the hands down quickly and gets the G off balance and causes a huge intentional grounding penalty.
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Official throws a flag for holding and then after the head official talks to him they decide to say no flag for holding. Ok, my guy, what did you see here to be throwing this flag then?
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I do not know what Mauigoa is doing here. C has the LB, Cooper is just pushing the edge wide and then is responsible for 3. 61 has to stay wide here and loses eye discipline. Beck gets it off, but this could’ve been a 1st down if 61 gets his block. That’s two tonight like this and this just can’t happen on a three-man rush.
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I roasted Toure on live watch, but I think he is just supposed to jam here and then play zone under. It looks like the post safety jump the dig and forgets about the seam. I highly doubt the defensive call is for Toure to carry the TE all the way down the seam without help like McElroy tries to tell you, so I believe this to be on Thomas. Thomas is circled in yellow and for some reason is trying to drive down on the RB at the 24. There is no world in which that is his responsibility.
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He doesn’t tackle Marion here this is a walk-in TD.
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You decide for yourself.
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That’s how you run hard on short yardage, friends.
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Oh man. This is just egregious. 87 & 9 have the LB 27 here and if they just make this block it’s a 1st down and maybe more. 78 is coming to seal and kick out and if Loften just holds this block it’s money. Why would he let him go and try to get to the second level here? Make sure you hold that block. It’s painful to watch this play. So painful in this spot as 27 splits it and makes a TFL. Lofton isn’t even looking at him as he’s trying to get to 8. This was a huge missed opportunity and I know Dawson was dejected. McCoy did make an awful block on the edge as well.
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Bain went full Bain mode on ND last drive and that’ll do it.


By the Numbers:
You might be surprised to see how Miami played their CB’s:
  • Scott played 59 snaps to lead the secondary
  • Lucas played 38 of a possible 60
  • Frederique 34
  • Ethan O’Connor played 31 (might surprise you)
  • Damari Brown played 25 (and might have been the best guy of everyone)
  • Bryce Fitzgerald already getting nine snaps in this one
Overall:

This was a bit more frustrating than I expected, because frankly, Miami was the better team by a decent amount. Realistically, they made some mistakes in the run game that really held them back from more points and less drama. A few coverage busts allowed ND to stay in this game and CJ Carr showed he can run this offense quite well. That QB draw game hurt Miami in the second half and that will be something to watch as we go along this season.

Overall, watching this team play with physicality and a motor that doesn’t stop was encouraging. Seeing how much meat was left on that bone in the run game was encouraging. Watching Toney take over a game as a 17 y/o freshman was encouraging.

Funny, they didn’t show mom at the end of the game after showing her 47 times in the 2H. Wonder why?

Go Canes.
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Love the breakdown. When I rewatched the game I was surprised by some of the Defensive alignments. Particularly 3 DL from the nose to one side with only 1 DE, 1 LB, and a NB to the other side. Then they blitzed the NB around the edge in running situations. I couldn’t believe I kept seeing it. Also saw a 6 DB alignment in a goal line Defense. What???
Also, how do you feel with the D on the TD pass with the long scramble. We only rushed 3, but 2 of them were Blay and Moten. Blay quit on the play at the line of scrimmage but why have 2 DT bodies instead of faster pass rush types. Don’t understand some of the alignments.
Would love to know your feeling on this since I am certainly no expert in this field.
 
RAJCane said:
Love the breakdown. When I rewatched the game I was surprised by some of the Defensive alignments. Particularly 3 DL from the nose to one side with only 1 DE, 1 LB, and a NB to the other side. Then they blitzed the NB around the edge in running situations. I couldn’t believe I kept seeing it. Also saw a 6 DB alignment in a goal line Defense. What???
Also, how do you feel with the D on the TD pass with the long scramble. We only rushed 3, but 2 of them were Blay and Moten. Blay quit on the play at the line of scrimmage but why have 2 DT bodies instead of faster pass rush types. Don’t understand some of the alignments.
Would love to know your feeling on this since I am certainly no expert in this field.
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You ask good questions. It's tough to answer without knowing the play call and philosophy behind it. Often times, a DC is trying to prevent the most likely negative from happening. In this situation, Miami wanted ND to run into that look as they gave a light box and hoped the large body types would be able to stop the run with five in the box.

No doubt about it, ND had a nice gameplan and took advantage of the light boxes with the QB run game, which inserted another blocker into the fit. They got caught with both Blay and Moten on the field on the first TD that probably doesn't happen with a bit more athleticism up front.

On the final ND TD they audibled into that QB run once they saw the front and I said it before the play, "that's a QB draw TD" and it happened. (Note: I don't tout all the times I say something pre-snap and it's completely wrong, so keep that in mind. Ha)

Hetherman is going to try and flood coverage and get pressure with creepers, nickel blitzes, and still stop the run with only five or six in the box. There are downsides to it, as we saw.

For the record, I'm no expert, either. Just a fan having fun with it.
 
Lance Roffers said:
You ask good questions. It's tough to answer without knowing the play call and philosophy behind it. Often times, a DC is trying to prevent the most likely negative from happening. In this situation, Miami wanted ND to run into that look as they gave a light box and hoped the large body types would be able to stop the run with five in the box.

No doubt about it, ND had a nice gameplan and took advantage of the light boxes with the QB run game, which inserted another blocker into the fit. They got caught with both Blay and Moten on the field on the first TD that probably doesn't happen with a bit more athleticism up front.

On the final ND TD they audibled into that QB run once they saw the front and I said it before the play, "that's a QB draw TD" and it happened. (Note: I don't tout all the times I say something pre-snap and it's completely wrong, so keep that in mind. Ha)

Hetherman is going to try and flood coverage and get pressure with creepers, nickel blitzes, and still stop the run with only five or six in the box. There are downsides to it, as we saw.

For the record, I'm no expert, either. Just a fan having fun with it.
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There were a few defensive alignments pre snap where I was scratching my head.

3WR 1TE 1RB personelle, TE weakside, RB strong side 2-1 WR formations, our quick/WSE was head up on the tackle and it scared the heck out of me, since he was playing a 4 tech, meanwhile the Will was in a 90 position. Thought to myself, here we go they'll run here and were gonna get gashed (a al Guidry).
Lo and behold they DID run it there, but what transpires post snap was basically a dance.
WSE took the tackle head up and wanted to hold him in position, so he cant reach or go upfield, the Will attacked downfield and drew the TE to go out wide and essentially take himself out of the play, the the magical part THE SAFETY FLEW TO THE LANE and TACKLED the ball carrier.

Once I saw that, I thought to myself, dam i hate that alignment BUT it had PURPOSE. I saw the moving parts and all gaps were accounted for and there was a method to the madness.

It wasn't the only time I saw it either, was just a breath of fresh air.
 
RAJCane said:
Love the breakdown. When I rewatched the game I was surprised by some of the Defensive alignments. Particularly 3 DL from the nose to one side with only 1 DE, 1 LB, and a NB to the other side. Then they blitzed the NB around the edge in running situations. I couldn’t believe I kept seeing it. Also saw a 6 DB alignment in a goal line Defense. What???
Also, how do you feel with the D on the TD pass with the long scramble. We only rushed 3, but 2 of them were Blay and Moten. Blay quit on the play at the line of scrimmage but why have 2 DT bodies instead of faster pass rush types. Don’t understand some of the alignments.
Would love to know your feeling on this since I am certainly no expert in this field.
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Excellent questions. The TD pass only rushing Blay and Moten, Moten still got pressure. Not sure how in the world our guys let someone get open there

I think that play worked as it was drawn up we just messed it up, though I do understand your point
 
htownkidd said:
Good stuff.

Didn’t know where else to put this and it’s on topic. I was listening to DBJ and he doubled down on the WR’s blocking performance. He stated after watching the all 22 tape, after the OL/DL group, our WRs were the most impressive unit of the night. Says he has never seen anything like what he saw the other night and that our WRs wore out their guys for 60 minutes.

Here it is, starts at the 4 min mark:

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**** yeah. The receivers took it to the DBs. I didn't see the all-22, but after rewatching the main broadcast I definitely noticed Jojo and C.J. physically attack the CBs and Safeties.
 
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Lance Roffers said:
You ask good questions. It's tough to answer without knowing the play call and philosophy behind it. Often times, a DC is trying to prevent the most likely negative from happening. In this situation, Miami wanted ND to run into that look as they gave a light box and hoped the large body types would be able to stop the run with five in the box.

No doubt about it, ND had a nice gameplan and took advantage of the light boxes with the QB run game, which inserted another blocker into the fit. They got caught with both Blay and Moten on the field on the first TD that probably doesn't happen with a bit more athleticism up front.

On the final ND TD they audibled into that QB run once they saw the front and I said it before the play, "that's a QB draw TD" and it happened. (Note: I don't tout all the times I say something pre-snap and it's completely wrong, so keep that in mind. Ha)

Hetherman is going to try and flood coverage and get pressure with creepers, nickel blitzes, and still stop the run with only five or six in the box. There are downsides to it, as we saw.

For the record, I'm no expert, either. Just a fan having fun with it.
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JHallCanes said:
Excellent questions. The TD pass only rushing Blay and Moten, Moten still got pressure. Not sure how in the world our guys let someone get open there

I think that play worked as it was drawn up we just messed it up, though I do understand your point
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Blay was rushing as well from the nose. He got stalemated at the Line of scrimmage and he quit on the play. If you watch the play again you will seem him try to close on the QB late but he was way too far away. I liked a lot of what Blay did in the game but he showed no effort on that play.
 
RAJCane said:
Blay was rushing as well from the nose. He got stalemated at the Line of scrimmage and he quit on the play. If you watch the play again you will seem him try to close on the QB late but he was way too far away. I liked a lot of what Blay did in the game but he showed no effort on that play.
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Had to feel for Moten on that one. He left it all out there on that play and the other 10 did not 🤣
 
flips said:
Thank you Lance. You always do a great job with your reviews. The holding flag pickup was ridiculous. Their LG wrestled Blount to the ground. But I guess the refs realized ND would be out of FG range, lol.
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Creative officiating to decide Blount fell down because 71 touched him after the LG began dragging him down.
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I guess it's not a penalty if one guy is legally blocking while the other guy is dragging him down. Weird. I never realized you could negate a holding penalty by using the buddy system.
 
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