killa1storm
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are you serious or just that stupid?
nobody is using it as a woe as me excuse. you stated he got significant contributions from those classes when he in fact did not. then you named some offensive players, 2 of which went undrafted, another who is a 5th round pick, and another who doesn't even have a position on the team as being 'talented.' only 27 players from those 2 classes remained on the team and of that bunch only a handful ever became starters. but hey they were ranked #1 on a recruiting site, it means they're talented!
and nobody has to claim anything, the proof is in the pudding. you said he inherited a program from a 'top 5 coach' but fail to mention that same top 5 coach lost 5 games with that roster before departing and then 13 starters had to be replaced the following year. you'd have to be the only fool to believe a team that lost 5 games and is replacing 13 starters is some loaded returning roster. particularly when the roster was depleted to 65 scholarships and so much holes that uf played more freshman than any school in the country the following year. and you really shouldn't be calling anybody clueless, you're the same guy who just used a preseason mag article as proof a team had a good roster, i'd think it was a joke if i didn't just see it posted. you can't keep a coherent argument to save your life. you claim shannon left golden no talent but the numbers show miami had more nfl players than uf yet you claim muschamp inherited a better situation.
oh lawd the spin master keeps on..
1. UF did not have 65 scholarship players.. The fact that you keep on saying lessens your already suspect credibility. FYI they had 72.
USC had 67 going into their 2010 season that they went 8-5 in. So save the excuses.
2. Rainey ALL SEC 1st team and Deonte were UFA's that made their respective NFL squads and contributed. Deonte made the Raven's WR rotation, Streeter made the practice squad. So save the BS about non drafted players not having talent..
3. Muschamp inherited 8 future NFL draft picks that played for his first 2 seasons and 6 UFA's for a total of 14.. Golden inherited 2 drafted and 3 UFA's for a grand total of 5. Do the math, should be easy enough for you, and tell me what coach had more talent to work with their 1st 2 years?
I could stop here but I'll continue with the debunking..
4. Urban going 8-5 one season is not indicative of a program in the dumps as it is normal for even the best coaches to have those types of seasons after a multi year run..Happened to Tressel at OSU, Stoops at OU, Pete Carroll at USC etc.. So you saying Meyer had a 8-5 season in an attempt to somehow paint the picture of a "disastrous" is LULZ..
5.. At this point should I even bring up the NCAA investigation and suspensions that followed that Muschamp didn't have to deal with. Oops I just did..
But yeah your're right, Mushchamp inherited a much worse situation.. What a miracle worker he is. We're doomed come the 7th. LULZ
1. umm bull****, it was 65, would you like me to list them all here for you? please say go so i can murk you like i have been. either way, the point was that you downplayed being short on schollies like it was irrelevant. there's a reason the ncaa uses sanctions to punish teams and its not for the **** of it. uf was 20 short on schollies but yea in your world it doesn't matter.
2. misleading. rainey made 1st team all-sec as an all purpose guy mainly for his special team prowess. not sure why the **** it matters anyway because i listed him previously, but he was not a fit for the offense. you also failed to mention how he missed 4 games for his texting incident. so a. he missed 1/3rd of the season and b. was 170 lb. back playing in a power running game...fail. and thompson made the raven rotation as the 6 guy and barely dressed for any of the games. that proves he was ultra talented
and those were your comments dumbass, you made the claim that late rounders and undrafted players weren't 'miami caliber talent' when discussing the talent shannon left golden yet turn around and argue that's championship caliber talent for other teams. try to keep your retarded, inconsistent *** points in line please. are late round draft picks really talented players or not? but since you want to bring up all-sec teams, you failed to mention that uf had TWO all-sec selections, the other being a kicker which was 3rd lowest in the league...that's how much the coaches thought of uf's talent. 3. false. how are you counting ufa's (aka undrafted) as nfl players? that's the height of stupidity and you're using it simply to skew the argument in favor of your ridiculous point. teams often sign guys to be nothing more than practice dummy's...doesn't mean they made an nfl roster since most don't even make it out of preseason. but you of course wouldn't know any different. being on the practice squad is an accomplishment now? i find this hilarious coming from the same guy who has poo pooed late round picks consistently on this site. consistency isn't your forte. i'd also like to know what 8 players you are counting because it's not accurate.
4. this point especially is retarded. you claim muschamp inherited a better program simply because he came behind a 'top 5 coach' no mention of the roster, who was returning, holes on the roster, nothing. yet fail to mention that roster obviously wasn't talented enough to keep that top 5 coach from losing 5 games. that top 5 coach also has no record of SUSTAINED success anywhere. meyer has stated numerous times he prefers to build and its hard to maintain. meyer HIMSELF also admitted the program was broken on the way out between what we were losing that season and the amount of kids that had washed out in the last two classes. so should i take your word or his with regards to the shape of the program? i don't know what else you would call that roster but disastrous. the team lost 5 games (which in itself isn't disastrous because every coach has a down year) but the fact that we ALSO lost 13 starters off of a 5-loss team (most who were nfl players) and were short on schollies by 20 IS disastrous. what the **** else would you call it? the roster was in such great shape we played more freshman than any other team in the country the next year...yep the roster was in great shape. we also played at least 3 walkons...but again the roster was in great shape. moron.
5. who said miami was in trouble or muschamp was some coaching god? people, some of who have already pointed it out, just find it ridiculous that a guy who just went 11-2 in the toughest conference in the country and against last year's #2 sos is ranked behind a guy who is 13-11 at his current school so matter of factly by you. you point out golden's success as temple but then summarily dismiss muschamp's success before uf stating what he did in the pass didn't matter. again more inconsistent stupidity from you. you're ranking one guy based on his job at a past school while saying the past doesn't matter in judging the other coach, what??? you say muschamp's success at uf to date doesn't prove anything which is fine, but if his past success doesn't matter, and his current success doesn't matter, how the **** are you managing to compare the coaches? by your opinion on what they may do in the future?
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