TV wants no part of Corch Al's scheme (quote)

Here is the whole article which OP didn't provide source link..
http://www.southernpigskin.com/recruiting/valentine-down-to-two/

Thanks. I see that he was explaining what type of DT he is and not even talking about schemes he fits best into. Awesome thanks for the misleading thread title OP.

So describing the type of DT you are isn't essentially talking about the scheme you fit best in? Why would he describe himself as an attacking DT only to think that he fits best in a more passive scheme?
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Our fan base isn't the quickest in connecting the dots...

Nah but they sure quick as **** to take a quote completely out of context to benefit their own agenda! Op can --->:diaf:
Completely out of context? What was the context of TV describing his style of play if it isn't to imply what school/system he fits best in? Please, articulate a context for me.
 
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Thanks. I see that he was explaining what type of DT he is and not even talking about schemes he fits best into. Awesome thanks for the misleading thread title OP.

So describing the type of DT you are isn't essentially talking about the scheme you fit best in? Why would he describe himself as an attacking DT only to think that he fits best in a more passive scheme?
c

Our fan base isn't the quickest in connecting the dots...

Nah but they sure quick as **** to take a quote completely out of context to benefit their own agenda! Op can --->:diaf:
Completely out of context? What was the context of TV describing his style of play if it isn't to imply what school/system he fits best in? Please, articulate a context for me.


LULZ at this "context" horseshyt. The context was that it was a recruiting interview during the heart of recruiting season. What more context do you need? It's not like he was doing a doctoral dissertation, and someone just happened to ask him randomly about what type of player he is.
 
Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?
 
Valentine started making these comments after FSU. The rest of the season reinforced things for him. The bowl game was the nail in the coffin.

He didn't see himself in a defense like this. I don't know why people want to create conspiracy theories that he's been slow playing this excuse for 4 months like some mastermind. LSU plays aggressive every year and is usually a lock for a top 25 defense. It fit his personality better.
 
Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?

[video=youtube;9KECMoiicGA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KECMoiicGA[/video]

looks like they playing patty cake to me.
 
AG should show TV film of Ndamukong Suh when he was at Nebraska. They 2-gap their defensive tackles, much like we do (in scheme, not in execution). It'll look much different when a quality player is fulfilling that role -- not someone like Curtis Porter, who was god awful. All Porter did his entire career was cry like a little ****. The fact that he played the majority snaps this year is indicative of our lack of talent on the defensive line.

And there's the cannibalization of our players. Curtis Porter, who was actually a really good prospect, played a lot better as a freshmans than he did last year. He was productive and showed flashes of brilliance when he was allowed to be a disruptive force. Porter had a lightning quick first step and could have been an excellent DT in the right system.

So what does that make Ndamukong Suh? Based on your reasoning he wasn't allowed to be a disruptive force, but in reality he was. Why make excuses for Porter? Suh made a living playing a mixture of gap control and 2gap technique, much like we do here (we play a mixture of techniques and in no way are we a pure 2gap 34/52). Porter barely made it on the field until this year partly due to injury and largely due to being soft. Why attack an ancillary part of my comment and disregard the rest?

It's pretty clear why. Based on your avatar and previous posts I can see that your comments will be biased to your own personal agenda.

But I'm the wrong one here. I should have used a better example. I picked the best piece of garbage out of the trash can.
 
Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?

It allows them to stop the RBs at the LOS (or 5-10 yards down field, since we routinely get pushed back while trying to hold blocks at the LOS) while holding their blocks compared to allowing them to shoot one gap right off the bat, avoiding blocks, and getting into the backfield. Hence, TV's quote about letting the OL hold him.
 
I don't get how our fans don't understand that our defensive system has our d linemen catching the offensive linemen at the snap instead of forcing the action. Stop playing dumb about our system because you wanna make up any bull**** excuse in the world about why we can't land elite DTs.
 
Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?

It allows them to stop the RBs at the LOS (or 5-10 yards down field, since we routinely get pushed back while trying to hold blocks at the LOS) while holding their blocks compared to allowing them to shoot one gap right off the bat, avoiding blocks, and getting into the backfield. Hence, TV's quote about letting the OL hold him.

Stopping the ball carrier at the LOS is not the goal of 2 gap technique -- it's actually a drawback. The goal is to have an overlap of gap responsibility. To understand why an overlap of gap responsibility is a good thing, we must first understand gap control, or 1 gap defenses. 1 gap teams assign one player to a specific gap with the exception of a couple positions, usually two linebackers, who have two gaps -- which themselves overlap but are consecutive.

A very basic example of this would be a 44 defense. Outside linebackers play D gaps, defensive ends play C gaps (if TE in the game then one end plays a 6 tech, which sort of works as a 2 gap technique), and defensive tackles/inside linebackers play alternating A and B gaps (3-tech is in B gap and Nose is in A gap). The two inside backers have somewhat overlapping gap responsibilities. The strong side backer has strong A gap and strong C on run to and weak B on run away. The weak side backer plays weak B and strong A, based on flow (it's a much easier position to play).

In a classic 52(34) the defensive line plays head up techniques (4 for the DE and 0 for the DT). The linebackers are doing the same from a stacked position (30 stack or 30i). the OLB's are outside shoulder of the end man playing a single D gap. The defensive line and inside backers all have two gap responsibilities. Defensive ends: C & B, Inside Linebackers: B & A, Nose: A & A.

One error in a 1 gap defense means huge gains, and you'll also always be one gap short in a 2 shell, which is another possible point of failure. One error in a two gap defense means no gain. Two errors in a 2 gap defense means big gains. A 52(34) is very challenging to learn, but if done correctly with the right personnel then it is unstoppable -- theoretically.

Say what you will about the players and coaches. I just want people to have a better understanding of what is actually going on.


BTW we are not a pure 34. We 1 gap a lot, too.
 
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Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?

It allows them to stop the RBs at the LOS (or 5-10 yards down field, since we routinely get pushed back while trying to hold blocks at the LOS) while holding their blocks compared to allowing them to shoot one gap right off the bat, avoiding blocks, and getting into the backfield. Hence, TV's quote about letting the OL hold him.

Is that a yes or no? TV's quote doesn't have anything to do with anything, except to say that he's an aggressive player. There's nothing in the scheme we run that says you can't be aggressive. The scheme they're running is not working, and they need to fix that...but it's dumb for everyone here and elsewhere to claim that the DT's aren't supposed to be getting in the backfield and making plays. The scheme isn't designed to allow receivers to run free either. The system is failing, clearly, and that's on the coaches to fix...but let's not pretend like the scheme is designed to allow these things to happen.
 
Well, this was from Golden's interview with Joe Rose following the VT loss.

Our plan was to contain, apply no pressure, and hope we could play coverage on him and he'd **** up. I don't believe Valentine sees himself as that type of player.

"been in college football since 1987 never seen 3 plays impact the game like it did vs. VT" (2 fumbles and punt attempt)

"coming in the goal was to get to 30 pts against VT defense"

"..had to move away to the gameplan and be more aggressive"

"game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket"

"its not just about Mark D; its Mark, its defensive staff; defensive players"

"missed tackles in the end of the 1st half that ended up in a score were back breakers..

"at the end of the day its not about pointing fingers its about getting things better"

Regarding defense and fan calling for Coach D:

Defense has twice as many sacks as last year and increase TOs

Stephen was victim of 5 drops

"I'm the ST coordinator, if you want to point the blame, blame me"

"I approve everything that happens with EVERY facet of the program PERIOD"

"the buck stops with me"
 
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Thanks. I see that he was explaining what type of DT he is and not even talking about schemes he fits best into. Awesome thanks for the misleading thread title OP.

So describing the type of DT you are isn't essentially talking about the scheme you fit best in? Why would he describe himself as an attacking DT only to think that he fits best in a more passive scheme?
c

Our fan base isn't the quickest in connecting the dots...

Nah but they sure quick as **** to take a quote completely out of context to benefit their own agenda! Op can --->:diaf:
Completely out of context? What was the context of TV describing his style of play if it isn't to imply what school/system he fits best in? Please, articulate a context for me.

You can't read? He was simply articulating his style of play... It had nothing to do with scheme. Did he specify a 3 tech, a 1 tech? No just simply describing his style of play. That's it, nothing more!
 
Let me get this straight...the scheme that Golden and D'Onofrio run doesn't allow DT's to get off blocks and stop RBs...it doesn't allow them to read pass and get to the QB. Right?

It allows them to stop the RBs at the LOS (or 5-10 yards down field, since we routinely get pushed back while trying to hold blocks at the LOS) while holding their blocks compared to allowing them to shoot one gap right off the bat, avoiding blocks, and getting into the backfield. Hence, TV's quote about letting the OL hold him.

Read & React (which I personally hate) means the DT makes contact and reads his keys, sheds towards the ball. Problem is we have **** for talent, and it typically takes a very good DT, to play this style of defense. VT's bigger concern would be whether he'll be at the zero tech which obligates him to 2 gap. If he plays a 3 tech or 1 Tech, then he's single gap and can get after the ball a lot easier. I've read he's been assured he'll play in a 3 tech (even front) and minimally in an odd front or zero tech. Porter played a lot of 1 tech and zero last year.

Against Louisville we played a ton a single gap penetrating fronts and it worked well against Louisville's run game. Unfortunately we have nobody with a quick first step and Teddy had all the time in the world to pick us apart.
 
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AG should show TV film of Ndamukong Suh when he was at Nebraska. They 2-gap their defensive tackles, much like we do (in scheme, not in execution). It'll look much different when a quality player is fulfilling that role -- not someone like Curtis Porter, who was god awful. All Porter did his entire career was cry like a little ****. The fact that he played the majority snaps this year is indicative of our lack of talent on the defensive line.

And there's the cannibalization of our players. Curtis Porter, who was actually a really good prospect, played a lot better as a freshmans than he did last year. He was productive and showed flashes of brilliance when he was allowed to be a disruptive force. Porter had a lightning quick first step and could have been an excellent DT in the right system.

Come on-- really? That brilliant freshman campaign when he recorded 4 tackles (2 solo)?

For someone with a "lightning quick" first step, I find it amazing that he ended his college career with 0.0 sacks. I mean Jesus, he should have gotten a half a sack by accident. I don't care what system he's in.
 
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AG should show TV film of Ndamukong Suh when he was at Nebraska. They 2-gap their defensive tackles, much like we do (in scheme, not in execution). It'll look much different when a quality player is fulfilling that role -- not someone like Curtis Porter, who was god awful. All Porter did his entire career was cry like a little ****. The fact that he played the majority snaps this year is indicative of our lack of talent on the defensive line.

And there's the cannibalization of our players. Curtis Porter, who was actually a really good prospect, played a lot better as a freshmans than he did last year. He was productive and showed flashes of brilliance when he was allowed to be a disruptive force. Porter had a lightning quick first step and could have been an excellent DT in the right system.

Come on-- really? That brilliant freshman campaign when he recorded 4 tackles (2 solo)?

For someone with a "lightning quick" first step, I find it amazing that he ended his college career with 0.0 sacks. I mean Jesus, he should have gotten a half a sack by accident. I don't care what system he's in.

not to mention that he was perpetually injured.
 
Our front 7 was very weak and hurt us bad. when i looked at Fsu's verison of the 3-4 and then our version of the 3-4 i was like ****. everyplay there are at least 3 fsu defenders near the ball at all time. and there zones were near perfect. DBs did not move far and knew the safeties had there back. they just read and reacted alot of time. We had 1 person not even 5 yards near the defender. im looking at this and im saying to myself. something is not right
 
AG should show TV film of Ndamukong Suh when he was at Nebraska. They 2-gap their defensive tackles, much like we do (in scheme, not in execution). It'll look much different when a quality player is fulfilling that role -- not someone like Curtis Porter, who was god awful. All Porter did his entire career was cry like a little ****. The fact that he played the majority snaps this year is indicative of our lack of talent on the defensive line.

And there's the cannibalization of our players. Curtis Porter, who was actually a really good prospect, played a lot better as a freshmans than he did last year. He was productive and showed flashes of brilliance when he was allowed to be a disruptive force. Porter had a lightning quick first step and could have been an excellent DT in the right system.

Come on-- really? That brilliant freshman campaign when he recorded 4 tackles (2 solo)?

For someone with a "lightning quick" first step, I find it amazing that he ended his college career with 0.0 sacks. I mean Jesus, he should have gotten a half a sack by accident. I don't care what system he's in.

This...

Porter was overhyped because no one had really seen him play. Kinda like the saying "backup QB is everyone's favorite player on the team". We had to have some hope that there was something better waiting to step in...that just shows you how ****** our talent level has become at this position.
 
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