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NFL Tua + the Dolphins medical staff

Bender said:
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“everyone involved will be sued & should lose their jobs, coaches included.”

Yes, that’s what Nowinski said, a doctor would never venture there, but he did. Why? Cause he’s a NE slurper, hates Miami. Let’s let the facts come out before we get all emotional.
 
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AboutTheU05 said:
The diagnosis reported wasn’t head trauma, until proven otherwise it’s speculation.
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I'd argue it is more than mere speculation that he suffered a head and/or neck injury on Sunday. I'd go so far as to say it is a reasonable inference based on the facts he: 1) hit the back of his head on the ground; 2) got up shaking his head, in an apparent attempt to "shake the cobwebs"; 3) stumbled and fell seconds later; and 4) what we saw last night.

Now, that may prove false. Or he may have been misdiagnosed initially. Or worse. But this goes beyond mere speculation, IMO.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I'd argue it is more than mere speculation that he suffered a head and/or neck injury on Sunday. I'd go so far as to say it is a reasonable inference based on the facts he: 1) hit the back of his head on the ground; 2) got up shaking his head, in an apparent attempt to "shake the cobwebs"; 3) stumbled and fell seconds later; and 4) what we saw last night.

Now, that may prove false. Or he may have been misdiagnosed initially. Or worse. But this goes beyond mere speculation, IMO.
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Without conclusive diagnostic evidence…..yes it is speculative. He also had what looked like a serious hyper extension of his lower back earlier in that game that clearly effected him that could have played a significant role in his instability. I’ve had lumbar spinal surgery and know the type of side effects that can occur, to include severe pain and instability of lower extremities. That too is speculation, but that’s the point.

Two separate specialists cleared him of head trauma, the staff diagnosed it as a back issue, and Tua himself explained it as a back issue. I’m all for investigating the chain of events and searching for answers to come to a better conclusion (it’s not just understandable but absolutely necessary)………but until that’s done it’s all reactionary, emotion driven response and speculation.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
Without conclusive diagnostic evidence…..yes it is speculative. He also had what looked like a serious hyper extension of his lower back earlier in that game that clearly effected him that could have played a significant role in his instability. I’ve had lumbar spinal surgery and know the type of side effects that can occur, to include severe pain and instability of lower extremities. That too is speculation, but that’s the point.

Two separate specialists cleared him of head trauma, the staff diagnosed it as a back issue, and Tua himself explained it as a back issue. I’m all for investigating the chain of events and searching for answers to come to a better conclusion (it’s not just understandable but absolutely necessary)………but until that’s done it’s all reactionary, emotion driven response and speculation.
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I think you're painting with too broad a brush. The people claiming it's malpractice and that everyone should be fired? Sure. That's probably an overboard, potentially emotional response.

But there is nothing emotional in acknowledging that the diagnosis could be wrong. Acknowledging the fact Tua is a gamer who would likely say whatever he needs to say to play. That there are subjective components to concussion testing. And that what we saw on Sunday and Thursday calls into question the previous diagnosis.

Afterall, if doctors were infallible, an entire industry wouldn't exist around medical malpractice.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I think you're painting with too broad a brush. The people claiming it's malpractice and that everyone should be fired? Sure. That's probably an overboard, potentially emotional response.

But there is nothing emotional in acknowledging that the diagnosis could be wrong. Acknowledging the fact Tua is a gamer who would likely say whatever he needs to say to play. That there are subjective components to concussion testing. And that what we saw on Sunday and Thursday calls into question the previous diagnosis.

Afterall, if doctors were infallible, an entire industry wouldn't exist around medical malpractice.
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Right that’s why I stated before that an investigation is necessary. Question away, that part is warranted. It’s any absolute statement made before more facts come out that is nothing more than emotional reaction and speculation.
 
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NFPA fired the unaffiliated consultant who worked the Bills/Dolphins game.

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The official investigation regarding the decision to clear Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains pending. For now, however, the NFL Players Association has decided to take action.Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFLPA has exercised its prerogative to terminate the...
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AboutTheU05 said:
Right that’s why I stated before that an investigation is necessary. Question away, that part is warranted. It’s any absolute statement made before more facts come out that is nothing more than emotional reaction and speculation.
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turns out i was right
 
Bender said:
turns out i was right
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Maybe……..this wouldn’t be the first time the NFLPA caved to public pressure and I’d be curious to see a response (given that the only action so far is an NFLPA hired specialist being let go with a very generalized statement on the reason)……with that said, if protocols were indeed botched and everyone from the medical staff, to the team representatives, to Tua himself gave inaccurate info to the public………everyone (including Tua) shares in the blame for the result. And that would only make you partially right with your claims as the hospital malpractice bit after the Cincy game was completely unfounded.

I get tired of listening to former player testimonies on how often they lied about their health to play and then try to rationalize or justify it when the risk backfires because “they only get so many opportunities to prove themselves” or “they’re just ultimate competitors”. They’re not victims, they voluntarily agreed to accept the risk associated with a violent sport for all the positives attached to it. If protocol was broken then there needs to be serious accountability, but keep it consistent.
 
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Unsider said:
“everyone involved will be sued & should lose their jobs, coaches included.”

Yes, that’s what Nowinski said, a doctor would never venture there, but he did. Why? Cause he’s a NE slurper, hates Miami. Let’s let the facts come out before we get all emotional.
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I think it’s due to the fact that Nowinski was in WWE, which had a very strong culture at the time of wrestling hurt and actively promoting activities (including chair shots) that led to concussions. Nowinski retired and ultimately wound up in his current role.

I remember Nowinski as a wrestler - he was a really promising prospect. Had the size to be a main event player and the personality of Miz.
 
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What was the outcome? Protocol was technically followed but 'no reasonable prosecutor' would have played him?
 
Suhrthing said:
What was the outcome? Protocol was technically followed but 'no reasonable prosecutor' would have played him?
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The NFL and NFLPA found that protocol was followed and Tua did not show concussion symptoms.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Lol so the NFLPA is lying now?

Do you try to out stupid yourself with every post? Is it like a personal competition for you?
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You seem upset, my dear friend. I would suggest a warm sponge bath to calm the central nervous system.

While you are in the tub, perhaps you can do some light reading on concussion symptoms. Inability to balance oneself is at the top of the list and Tua was clearly stumbling and woozy after sustaining a blow to the head.

Whether or not the NFL or NFLPA wants to admit this is irrelevant, all is takes is a small modicum of intellect to see he should’ve been removed from the game.
 
nystateofmind said:
You seem upset, my dear friend. I would suggest a warm sponge bath to calm the central nervous system.

While you are in the tub, perhaps you can do some light reading on concussion symptoms. Inability to balance oneself is at the top of the list and Tua was clearly stumbling and woozy after sustaining a blow to the head.

Whether or not the NFL or NFLPA wants to admit this is irrelevant, all is takes is a small modicum of intellect to see he should’ve been removed from the game.
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I don’t have to. I actually have a healthcare license unlike you.

Maybe if you actually did it instead of reading about it you’d know how to diagnose people or understand how those procedures are applied.
 
nystateofmind said:
You seem upset, my dear friend. I would suggest a warm sponge bath to calm the central nervous system.

While you are in the tub, perhaps you can do some light reading on concussion symptoms. Inability to balance oneself is at the top of the list and Tua was clearly stumbling and woozy after sustaining a blow to the head.

Whether or not the NFL or NFLPA wants to admit this is irrelevant, all is takes is a small modicum of intellect to see he should’ve been removed from the game.
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It takes a smaller modicum of intellect to see that you have no clue what you’re taking about.
 
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