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Rellyrell said:
No it’s not:

If the player is generally not dealing with those three symptoms, he undergoes the 'NFL Sideline Concussion Assessment'​

  • This test is to be completed by (at least) the team's physician and the (UNC). The team physician makes the final call as to whether the player returns, but must consult with the (UNC) before making that decision
  • Only once, Sills said, has the team physician disagreed with the independent neurologist. In that case, the team doctors chose to keep the player out despite the independent neurologist clearing the player to return to the game. Sills says the most conservative call is made
  • The analysis includes asking players Maddocks' Questions, a speech evaluation, cervical spine exam and eye movement exam

The Concussion protocol AFTER the game must be approved by The UNC (unaffiliated neurological consultant). After the game, a player who was thought of being concussed, whether they continued to play or not, must go through a 5 step concussion protocol the from the team physician which includes

Step 1: Symptom Limited Activity
Step 2: Aerobic Exercises
Step 3: Football Activities
Step 4: Non Contact Drills
Step 5: Contact Drills

Once a player has successfully passed all 5 protocols, they then must be evaluated by the UNC independently to get the final approval to play next game.
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But must consult with the UNC…….so the investigation should easily find out what the UNC thought and whether or not they agreed or were blown off.
 
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I can hardly believe the Dolphins actually played him and I can hardly believe the hospital is not keeping him overnight. Theres malpractice and then theres this.

The NFL is gonna come down hard on the Dolphins. Buckle up.
 
And before anyone suggests "The doctors cleared him, therefore he was able to play", no. Don't be this stupid.

Players play with injuries and severe ones all the time to the point where if you'd be a regular person, you would be banned from sports activity for months easily. The argument that Tua was healthy enough to play holds no merit whatsoever.
 
nystateofmind said:
Absolutely unbelievable that he was cleared to play and now he’s probably done for the season, if not longer. Two concussions in five days can be a life altering event.

What is it going to take for football to finally realize the true severity of concussions and head injuries? Is someone going to have to die on the field?

Sick to my stomach.
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Looks can be deceiving, unless one knows neurology, and examines the patient in person.

From the Mayo Clinic:

Symptoms​

The signs and symptoms of a concussion can be subtle and may not show up immediately. Symptoms can last for days, weeks or even longer.

Common symptoms after a concussive traumatic brain injury are headache, loss of memory (amnesia) and confusion. The amnesia usually involves forgetting the event that caused the concussion.

Physical signs and symptoms of a concussion may include:

  • Headache
  • Ringing in the ears
  • Nausea
  • Vomiting
  • Fatigue or drowsiness
  • Blurry vision
Other signs and symptoms of a concussion include:

  • Confusion or feeling as if in a fog
  • Amnesia surrounding the traumatic event
  • Dizziness or "seeing stars"
A witness may observe these signs and symptoms in the concussed person:

  • Temporary loss of consciousness (though this doesn't always occur)
  • Slurred speech
  • Delayed response to questions
  • Dazed appearance
  • Forgetfulness, such as repeatedly asking the same question
You may have some symptoms of concussions immediately, and some can occur for days after the injury, such as:

  • Concentration and memory complaints
  • Irritability and other personality changes
  • Sensitivity to light and noise
  • Sleep disturbances
  • Psychological adjustment problems and depression
  • Disorders of taste and smell
He came back and led the team to victory.
 
Unsider said:
He came back and led the team to victory
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Who cares if he tried to walk straight and collapsed right in front of everyone minutes prior? He won a sports game, celebrate!

Wonder how you celebrated after hearing Gronkowski played with fluid in his head...
 
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Bender said:
I can hardly believe the Dolphins actually played him and I can hardly believe the hospital is not keeping him overnight. Theres malpractice and then theres this.

The NFL is gonna come down hard on the Dolphins. Buckle up.
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And given you don’t know the results of the head and neck CT tonight or what an independent specialist diagnosed on Sunday…….it doesn’t really matter what you believe.

I’m all for hammering the team if they in fact blew off the independent specialist but according to reports (it’s Barry Jackson so yes I take it with a grain of salt) that didn’t happen. To outright claim “malpractice” without appropriate facts is laughable.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
And given you don’t know the results of the head and neck CT tonight or what an independent specialist diagnosed on Sunday…….it doesn’t really matter what you believe.

I’m all for hammering the team if they in fact blew off the independent specialist but according to reports (it’s Barry Jackson so yes I take it with a grain of salt) that didn’t happen. To outright claim “malpractice” without appropriate facts is laughable.
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Donta Hightower played with a lorn labrum and Rob Gronkowski played with fluid in his head. Both were medically cleared to play.

If you actually think the NFL teams ensures all players are 100% healthy to play when they clear them, you're in for a rude awakening.
 
Bender said:
Donta Hightower played with a lorn labrum and Rob Gronkowski played with fluid in his head. Both were medically cleared to play.

If you actually think the NFL teams ensures all players are 100% healthy to play when they clear them, you're in for a rude awakening.
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It’s not about what you or I believe, it’s about understanding objective facts before coming to a certain conclusion. We’re not talking about anyone but Tua and this specific situation. It’s one thing if people want to question how things were handled, it’s another to outright accuse. The hospital has nothing to do with the NFL and if the CT is negative, the hospital has no reason to hold him. If the independent specialist cleared him (as it’s being reported)….the NFL won’t and can’t do **** to the Dolphins. From there……what proof exists to show otherwise??? That’s what really matters if anything is to be done about it.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
It’s not about what you or I believe, it’s about understanding objective facts before coming to a certain conclusion. We’re not talking about anyone but Tua and this specific situation. It’s one thing if people want to question how things were handled, it’s another to outright accuse. The hospital has nothing to do with the NFL and if the CT is negative, the hospital has no reason to hold him. If the independent specialist cleared him (as it’s being reported)….the NFL won’t and can’t do **** to the Dolphins. From there……what proof exists to show otherwise??? That’s what really matters if anything is to be done about it.
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Hospital and teams work together in regards to injury treatment for NFL players. So I can only laugh at "independence".

If you honestly think Tua has no brain injury/concussion not even a full week after being incapable of walking in a straight line and collapsing on the field, I can't help you and I won't discuss this with you any further.

I am glad if all of you follow your doctors advice and consult in every aspect of your life as much as you seem to follow the consult of the clearing health professional.
 
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Bender said:
Hospital and teams work together in regards to injury treatment for NFL players. So I can only laugh at "independence".

If you honestly think Tua has no brain injury/concussion not even a full week after being incapable of walking in a straight line and collapsing on the field, I can't help you and I won't discuss this with you any further.

I am glad if all of you follow your doctors advice and consult in every aspect of your life as much as you seem to follow the consult of the clearing health professional.
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You have nothing to discuss besides speculation on this issue, so your “help” isn’t needed
 
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AboutTheU05 said:
I already have when you claimed “malpractice” without objective diagnostic results.
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I can safely call the lack of overnight stay after repetitive short-term head trauma malpractice considering its a standard procedure in Germany for people with diagnosed concussions.
 
Bender said:
I can safely call the lack of overnight stay after repetitive short-term head trauma malpractice considering its a standard procedure in Germany for people with diagnosed concussions.
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If the CT was clear then no, you can’t. They can be released with specific discharge instructions that limit any adverse risk.
 
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