Tired of The SEC/ACC Bag Game?

[canesproponent]

U ******* stupid???

Bald faced lie. We NEVER pay!

Before Shapiro, UM had a great Compliance department.

After Shapiro, it became even better.

The NCAA delayed the Shapiro investigation indefinitely........ People on this site despise Shalala, but the reality is that she showed up at the hearing and said: "I just completed two capital campaigns for $4B. I can prove that you treated UM differently vis-a-vis other universities. You have decimated one of our key businesses (football). These payments to athletes were minimal. Slap us on the wrist or we file a hundred million dollar lawsuit. Try me. I have plenty of cash and other things may arise when my lawyers start investigating!"

She was great for the university, not for football; BUT when she needed to eradicate the NCAA investigation, she did.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get ****ed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.

How can a forensic team find anything without subpoena power?

 

[Tad Footeball]

If only this lil guy was actually interested in doing a real investigative sports documentary that didn't leech off of or throw us under the bus. Gawd forbid he use his efforts and funding in SEC Country. I wonder if he'd rage against eSECpn like he does against UM administration if they refused to greenlight it?

 

[Acane4ever]

When the worst offender (SEC) has a 2.25 billion dollar contract with one of the largest media conglomerates in the world (Walt Disney Co.) you're delusional if you think anything of substance will ever happen.

You win! Saban has created a cash register at Alabama. I would not trust an NCAA investigation of the SEC. That conference alone pays Emmert's salary + bonuses. There has been enough evidence, certainly a lot more than that loser creep ****sucker shapiro ever had, to launch a full court press of an investigation. They never will. Yahoo can have all the payments on video tape and nothing would come of it. Meanwhile, a ponzi schemer that ruined peoples lives is believed to the point the sharks like SI/BR/NYT were calling for the Death Penalty.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

They're using crypto now.

Too late

 

[jjjrcanes]

You win! Saban has created a cash register at Alabama. I would not trust an NCAA investigation of the SEC. That conference alone pays Emmert's salary + bonuses. There has been enough evidence, certainly a lot more than that loser creep ****sucker shapiro ever had, to launch a full court press of an investigation. They never will. Yahoo can have all the payments on video tape and nothing would come of it. Meanwhile, a ponzi schemer that ruined peoples lives is believed to the point the sharks like SI/BR/NYT were calling for the Death Penalty.

I mentioned this numerous times that the SEC teams are protected because they are loaded with former NCAA Investigative members that have retired or stepped down and now sit on their boards. There's an unspoken "look the other way" when these institutions commit wrongdoing! I'm trying like **** to find the article that was written in the Miami Herald. It was a front page article that ended up in the center fold covering a whole 3 pages!! If someone can remember this and dig it up and post it will be greatly appreciated!

The impact of this subject can be felt more now that it's a given and well known fact that the college Football World is not being played out on a level playing field with the enormous amount of cheating that is just being brushed under the rug!!

 

[UMFarArcher]

How can a forensic team find anything without subpoena power?

You can find a lot - especially by targeting a few "interesting" changes of mind, manifestations of wealth, and some clever investigative tactics. These initial investigative steps are NOT for prosecution by the forensic team - just to get the real skinny on a few targets - and that's where your IRS buddy can put on pressure, request financial records, banking records, etc.

I'm not talking about a CPA firm doing an audit. I'm talking about INVESTIGATORS who specialize in finding money -

They'll know which targets to select - maybe start with some 5 stars? Maybe a 5-star with financial needs? Maybe grandma has financial needs? Maybe some counter offers are made to see what they've already been offered? This isn't for schoolboys.

And always, there's talk. There's no such thing as an absolute secret.

 

[jjjrcanes]

You can find a lot - especially by targeting a few "interesting" changes of mind, manifestations of wealth, and some clever investigative tactics. These initial investigative steps are NOT for prosecution by the forensic team - just to get the real skinny on a few targets - and that's where your IRS buddy can put on pressure, request financial records, banking records, etc.

I'm not talking about a CPA firm doing an audit. I'm talking about INVESTIGATORS who specialize in finding money -

They'll know which targets to select - maybe start with some 5 stars? Maybe a 5-star with financial needs? Maybe grandma has financial needs? Maybe some counter offers are made to see what they've already been offered? This isn't for schoolboys.

And always, there's talk. There's no such thing as an absolute secret.

You are correct!! In other words something needs to be done about the loads of money unscrupulous floating around College Football!!

 

[South Side Chi Cane]

They're using crypto now.

Where have you been ?? I have missed my favorite jawja troll.

 

[hotshot]

Our "problem" is that compared to Texas oil $$ and well-established alumni funding at large State Universities around the country, we are pikers. It took forever to come up with the $32M for the IPF and that project apparently depleted our resources to the point the AD couldn't put two dimes together to upgrade the poor basketball coaches facilities. Let's face it, without Richt's threats, that IPF still would not be built (Thank You, Mark, for the pressure and your $1M!).

When I say "Texas oil money," I'm thinking of T. Boone Pickens who gave the Athletic Dept at his alma mater (Okla State) $165 million back in 2006. If we have any alumni who could afford to do 10 percent of that, they apparently are not sports fans. We need a UM alum or two to invent the next Google or whatnot.

 

[fraggle]

Bald faced lie. We NEVER pay!

Before Shapiro, UM had a great Compliance department.

After Shapiro, it became even better.

The NCAA delayed the Shapiro investigation indefinitely........ People on this site despise Shalala, but the reality is that she showed up at the hearing and said: "I just completed two capital campaigns for $4B. I can prove that you treated UM differently vis-a-vis other universities. You have decimated one of our key businesses (football). These payments to athletes were minimal. Slap us on the wrist or we file a hundred million dollar lawsuit. Try me. I have plenty of cash and other things may arise when my lawyers start investigating!"

She was great for the university, not for football; BUT when she needed to eradicate the NCAA investigation, she did.

hmmm...Testaverde in his senior year crashed his motor scooter, wonder which booster bought that... so gimme a break when it comes to the U

 

[canesproponent]

hmmm...Testaverde in his senior year crashed his motor scooter, wonder which booster bought that... so gimme a break when it comes to the U

Am talking after Butch.

Walsh lived in an apartment on Grovel Isle. We USED to pay. We declared two of our best players ineligible (Grace and the DT) for riding around in a rental car.

Also, a lone-wolf fan giving away a car is much different than what Michel, Jeudy and the WR received. UM is NOT paying anywhere near the level of the Foundations (not even at 10% of that level)......

DMoney is right. Win 10 games a year. Offer early and focus on South Florida 3-stars. Eventually UM will break through. Butch was NOT paying players. I followed recruiting closely during Butch's time and he was pulling in top 15 classes, NOT top 5.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

hmmm...Testaverde in his senior year crashed his motor scooter, wonder which booster bought that... so gimme a break when it comes to the U

LOL....a scooter

 

[MaineCane23]

This thread is fantasy.

 

[Canedude08]

This thread is fantasy.

Pure fantasy. Never mind the fact that the people that are in this game are also the people that hold power in these podunk towns and can bring legitimate pain to anyone that dares to challenge them. Never mind the fact that the NCAA has made it clear that the won't investigate the ringleaders no matter how much evidence is thrown in their face.

This is the way the system operates now. There's a reason why the same schools that have a problem with student-athletes getting money ABOVE the table, are also the same group that participates heavily in the bag game. They know that the current system rewards them for being crooked, and in a truly free, open system the field would be tilted away for a ton of kids. Think about it, if you could get a decent salary in LA, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, etc and not have to live in Tuscaloosa, the option wouldn't be as cut and dry. Kids could easily say "Miami isn't going to give me six figures, but they are going to give me something, and I don't have to live in Dixie".

 

[TruCane81]

Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get ****ed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.

The next day the NCAA would announce players will be paid and allowed to make money on their likeness.

At least NCAA football will be back on PlayStation.

 

[TheEye]

In 2011, people were so sure UF was getting busted for its bag game. It was us.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Pure fantasy. Never mind the fact that the people that are in this game are also the people that hold power in these podunk towns and can bring legitimate pain to anyone that dares to challenge them. Never mind the fact that the NCAA has made it clear that the won't investigate the ringleaders no matter how much evidence is thrown in their face.

This is the way the system operates now. There's a reason why the same schools that have a problem with student-athletes getting money ABOVE the table, are also the same group that participates heavily in the bag game. They know that the current system rewards them for being crooked, and in a truly free, open system the field would be tilted away for a ton of kids. Think about it, if you could get a decent salary in LA, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, etc and not have to live in Tuscaloosa, the option wouldn't be as cut and dry. Kids could easily say "Miami isn't going to give me six figures, but they are going to give me something, and I don't have to live in Dixie".

You're not getting it.

***** the NCAA. They won't investigate diddly-**it.

Independent investigators will investigate - with an assist by the IRS.

By being recognized as blatant cheaters by the general public - then they'd have a long haul to legitimately claim future victories - and it would definitely slow things down.

Oh - another bit on the NCAA. You should know - the SEC teams are NOT the only teams in the NCAA. It's an association. There's NO WAY for the NCAA to ignore such things - simply due to numbers - sheer numbers of other colleges and universities in the NCAA. The weight of numbers will demand action and an equal playing field.

You better believe - it would be quite a scandal - one to be remedied - firmly.

 

[Garnacho]

If only this lil guy was actually interested in doing a real investigative sports documentary that didn't leech off of or throw us under the bus. Gawd forbid he use his efforts and funding in SEC Country. I wonder if he'd rage against eSECpn like he does against UM administration if they refused to greenlight it?

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Are you speaking of Corbyn? Is that who that is? Does he pose as a Miami fan? He went to UF and was a big Gator fan back in the day

EDIT: his wiki page says he went to Miami. I swear he went to UF and that’s where he made his first documentary that was 90 minutes of sloppy drunk dudes raping a passed out chick

 

[U Wouldn’t Understand]

Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get ****ed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.

There are Canes everywhere.

The amount of baseless speculation that comes through my office on a weekly basis is astounding and the majority of posts on this forum are consistent with that. If you or anyone else has information to support your claims, then send me a message and it WILL get looked at, immediately. Just because some five star dip**** and his father decide to open up their recruitment, doesn’t mean the USAO is going to open a file and issue grand jury subpoenas; there’s simply too many slam dunks to waste any time on speculation. However, if there is any substance to these claims, I can assure you that there are MANY 1811’s that would love to take this down.

As far as these recruits go, you’re either a Cane or you’re not! There’s no middle ground. It is, always has been, and always will be, all about the U. And until these kids start believing this and have it pounded into their heads, we’re not going to be successful.

If the University of Miami offers you a football scholarship and you truly have to decide between other schools, then we don’t want you, our mistake. Because I can assure you that there is a kid who may not have as many stars but has a **** of lot more dawg in him that will gladly take that offer without hesitation and with the right coaching, will pay higher dividends.

And yea, this is my first post, I was actually here just trying to find some information on tailgating for the UF game........but, who knows, maybe I’ll also be receiving some information on taking down these rogue “podunk” schools that can’t play by the rules. When the time comes, they all shed the same tears and ask for the same forgiveness....just the facts.