Tired of The SEC/ACC Bag Game?

UMFarArcher

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Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get pissed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.
 

JD08

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There are two ways that could happen.
1. Investigative journalism, which has been in hibernation since Google.
2. Federal investigation, tax fraud or similar. Anyone else would face a wall of litigation from the SEC, NCAA, and likely those providing bags.
 

TheU 4ever

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Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get pissed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.
Couldn't agree with you more! You took the thought/words right out of my head and mouth. It's about time that this takes hold and is carried out!! The NCAA and all the crooked schools need to be taught a lesson, and made to pay (up to and including the DEATH PENALTY) for their transgressions.
 

pumbaa

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They already have found it and reported on it and nothing has been done. The same writer from Yahoo that broke the Nevin story broke one with proof of SEC players including Alabama being paid. It got no attention.

 

canesproponent

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Football is next. Look what happened in basketball.

The problem that you have now is that Nike and Adidas condone the practice and participate in it. When the three billionaire families of Arkansas run the school's foundation it becomes impossible for anything to change unless the Feds "make it their business". [Like with Capone in Chicago..........]

There is too much un-taxed revenue. Michel received $200,000 in cash. Smith and Jeudy received comparable amounts. You have 40 teams averaging between $2M and $3M per annum. Too many foresaken taxes..........

They are undoubtedly investigating this at present!
 

wspcane

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Football is next. Look what happened in basketball.

The problem that you have now is that Nike and Adidas condone the practice and participate in it. When the three billionaire families of Arkansas run the school's foundation it becomes impossible for anything to change unless the Feds "make it their business". [Like with Capone in Chicago..........]

There is too much un-taxed revenue. Michel received $200,000 in cash. Smith and Jeudy received comparable amounts. You have 40 teams averaging between $2M and $3M per annum. Too many foresaken taxes..........

They are undoubtedly investigating this at present!
What happened in basketball? Seriously. LSU's coach was on a wiretap talking about needing to increase their offer to get the deal done and the school fired the AD for suspending him for it. That is almost on par with SMU continuing to pay kids after getting busted because they made a promise. Talk about a lack of institutional control.

I just posted this on the Donnel Harris thread, but the main problem is the handlers, bagmen, alumni are like cockroaches. You squish a few, but there are dozens more waiting to take their place. Give college basketball a year or two and it will be right back to the status quo, if it is not already. Look at Memphis this year. Unless the NCAA really shows intent with things like lifetime bans or show causes for guys like Will Wade or Sean Miller, exactly nothing will change.

Clearly the kids are not going to say please do not give me your money, and about the only recourse there is the IRS saying you did not pay taxes on this unreported income. But that will never happen for a multitude of reasons. And honestly, I think things are way more sophisticated that unmarked bills at this point (buying businesses, gifts from charities, funneling money to charities, giving business contracts, jobs to relatives, etc.).

You talk about a forensic accountant, but if it is a privately held business who hired a recruit's sister as a receptionist and pays her $100k a year. They issue her a W-2, they pay payroll taxes, she pays income taxes... what exactly are they going to do that is a problem.

Another example... recruit's family owns a business worth $50k. An investment fund buys it for $500k. Shitty investment and a deductible loss. All taxes are paid. Not much anyone can do there.

This is not even mentioning that each person can get $14k a year from a "charity" without having to recognize that as income.

Paying players is also not going to change anything because this would just be a bonus and way to circumvent the even playing field.

Anyhow, I will be interested to see how they punish these schools with the alleged severe sanctions for 6 schools, because from what I have seen, it will be back to business as usual for CBB, nothing will change in CFB, and honestly, we are probably well beyond the point of return in how sophisticated these booster networks are.
 

DemCanesByke

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I will say it again. We have some very wealthy donors and supporters. Is there a Miami hurricanes football/alumni foundation? It should be separate from the school if you catch my drift. You can investigate all u want the NCAA knows what is going on.
 

CaneDog66

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Unfortunately not sure what can be done about these cockroaches and their money. For as long as the athletes remain tagged with “amateur status” and not paid then there are just too many “legal” avenues to funnel funds to players and their families. That, and these kids mostly come from impoverished situations so it’s an easy grab. With no longer any loyalty to decisions made, the only other option I see is paying players a % to their performances on the field, contribution to the university revenue wise, and their marketability. That way if some dolt wants to pay a Mahoney type player who doesn’t contribute to the overall success of the team then so be it, it’s their piss money. But if a player is say at the caliber of Trevor Lawrence, we’ll just like in the NFL...his bank payroll would be greater. Would continue incentives for athletes to continue to push themselves to greatness, remove these snakes from under the grass, and give the kids some resemblance of control over their “brand”.
 

UMFarArcher

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There are two ways that could happen.
1. Investigative journalism, which has been in hibernation since Google.
2. Federal investigation, tax fraud or similar. Anyone else would face a wall of litigation from the SEC, NCAA, and likely those providing bags.

After the investigators have found a few payoffs - that's when they go work with an IRS agent. And THEN it also becomes a federal matter.

These guys get some big bucks as a finder's fee - and the IRS pays a 10% finder's fee - last I heard.

The other side of litigation - is the offending parties do NOT want the publicity - that hurts their school and program even further.

Do it smart, do it right - and the NCAA will have to bust their offending asses. Have to - too many other members who can't afford the same crap a dozen or so teams do with regularity.

Even if four or five teams are busted out - other programs will shut that crap down - fearful they'll be targeted next.
 

dwreck27

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You've got to imagine the FBI and IRS have to have some dirt already

Its too big with so much slush fund money getting thrown around
 

jjjrcanes

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Everyone knows that the SEC for many decades has had a great method for buying players. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, and others. We all know that Clemson on occasions engages in the Bag Game. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, and others also engage.

We get pissed because everyone it seems tries to raid the State of Florida - and especially top talent in South Florida.

If a few well-to-do UM alumni and a couple key donors put together a couple million dollars - they'd be able to hire a forensic financial investigation team - and that two million dollars or so would finance the martialing costs as well as for a year or two. The Forensic Financial Investigation Team would pick up additional dollars as percentages of IRS dollars they'd find were not paid in taxes, but a reward for finding the additional IRS monies.

That's what they do. They find sudden money - sudden financial gains - sudden asset acquisitions (cars, homes), and once that's found on a few of them, a canny investigator can approach a recipient - lay out the penalties they're about to face, and get some to flip on the who, when, how, how much, and what -

A canny investigator would have some friends in the IRS to assist in making some deals to get further inside the process. In that couple million dollars, it's possible that a few kids and their families would be willing to participate in a reward for sharing what they were offered, and even take an offer under proper surveillance - again - working with the IRS - not local law enforcement. - You get a few of those - and you're cooking with gas.

It would take two or three recruiting cycles to really have some teeth sunk into the process - but once the who, what, when, where, how, and how much is presented - there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Scores and scores of victories would be vacated - hard-to-ignore NCAA violations would require serious penalties - for the school, and possibly for the boosters that provided those funds.

Everyone wants to bi-tch about the bag problem, and wring their hands - but that's how to actually get something done about it. UM itself couldn't be blamed, as UM didn't initiate and pay for the investigation.

That's how you stop it.

Follow the money. Forwards. And backwards.

Specialists.
You don’t need forensics to know that somethings up when you are living in near poverty level until your kids is about to go to college and all of a sudden the family is able to afford expensive cars, parents now getting loads of money in their bank account and hired in the area where the kids is going to college to now making lawyer type income.

Something should smell like s*#t!
 
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UMFarArcher

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You don’t need forensics to know that somethings up when you are living in near poverty level until your kids is about to go to college and all of a sudden the family is able to afford expensive cars, parents now getting loads of money I. Their bank account and hired in the area where the kids is going to college to now making lawyer type income.

Something should smell like s*#t!

You DO need forensics to PROVE what happened -

Through different "techniques," get assistance and first hand knowledge to show the who, where, when, how, and how much. Everyone knows it occurs - but no one has really proved how pervasive it is, amounts of money thrown in, how players and families are approached, who is actually doing the work, how much knowledge and cooperation the universities are part of, how creative they are in what they offer, how assets are distributed, in what time frame, etc., etc., etc.
 
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