This sucks, but I guess we'll never have on-campus stadium

[HHTyler]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I got to sit in on the long term plan when I was at UM and this dorm project has been in the works for a very long time (at least 8 years). There was never any intention of building anything but dorms on that land.

 

[DTP]

I attended every home game too. Pitt was probably the only game with a weak crowd. That was coming off the four game losing streak so you all see how this works. UNC was a near sellout and Duke was easily over 50,000 (not bad considering the capacity is only like 65,000). We all see how well the attendance numbers are when the team wins. We see them plummet when they lose. Putting a stadium on campus or near campus will not change any of this at all. Attendance numbers are calculated by tickets sold, not butts in seats. Considering, they broke a season ticket sales record and average paid attendance was over 58,000, You can't blame the empty seats on stadium location. People bought the tickets and were ready to go to the games. Then they lost four in a row and people stopped showing up. They got hot at the end of the year and the Duke game attendance was actually really good by Miami standards. Moving the stadium to a different location would not have changed any of that.

 

[DTP]

Paid attendance for the Pitt game was just under 52,000. I'd say there was about 38,000 butts in seats. That leave roughly 14-15 thousand people who bought tickets for that game but didn't show up because the team was 4-4 at the time. They didn't just magically make the stadium more inconvenient for fans, there was a four game losing streak and "fans" didn't show. That's it. End of story.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Well we're on UNC - that UNC game was specifically called out as a "ghost town". Those are pics from the Pitt game, fool. Try again.

Nice try at deflection, though.

More obfuscation.

Pitt is a separate discussion

Your words:

Wrong about UNC, Pitt, and Duke being ghost towns or very empty.

You weren't there, obviously

So there goes your credibility.

...but I'm the one deflecting?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Agree with most of what @DTP said.

Clearly, when ssomeone knows what they're talking about based on experience, in other words I can tell he actually did attend the games, then the discussion is much better.

Pitt was the least attended game of the year.

Why? We had just come off 0-4 streak. Having lost four straight, and going to 4-4. Most of the posters or at least many of them on the site were not only predicting a loss to Pitt, but several were predicting a blowout loss to Pitt. Remember?. The attitude of the fanbase and the outlook was really poor at that time. No surprise that not everybody showed up.

I remember going to the Pitt game, and as I was pulling into the stadium I was thinking it was going to be one of those epically bad no-show games that we had seen in the past.

Even though it wasn't as well attended as any of the other games this past season, I was actually shocked at the number of people that were actually in the stadium for Pitt. Even though tickets sold was well over 50,000 my guess was we had around 40,000 butts in the seats. That is not bad considering the fact that we had just come off of four game losing streak, and also the fact that a lot of people thought we would lose that game.

So even that game, the Pitt game, would not be classified as a ghost town. 40,000 people in a 65,000 person stadium is not great, but it's not a ghost town. Ask anybody that was there, actually there, if they weren't surprised as to how many people actually showed up to that game. The point being, any other season, there would've been 20,000 people in the stands.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Agree with most of what @DTP said.

Clearly, when ssomeone knows what they're talking about based on experience, in other words I can tell he actually did attend the games, then the discussion is much better.

Pitt was the least attended game of the year.

Why? We had just come off 0-4 streak. Having lost four straight, and going to 4-4. Most of the posters or at least many of them on the site were not only predicting a loss to Pitt, but several were predicting a blowout loss to Pitt. Remember?. The attitude of the fanbase and the outlook was really poor at that time. No surprise that not everybody showed up.

I remember going to the Pitt game, and as I was pulling into the stadium I was thinking it was going to be one of those epically bad no-show games that we had seen in the past.

Even though it wasn't as well attended as any of the other games this past season, I was actually shocked at the number of people that were actually in the stadium for Pitt. Even though tickets sold was well over 50,000 my guess was we had around 40,000 butts in the seats. That is not bad considering the fact that we had just come off of four game losing streak, and also the fact that a lot of people thought we would lose that game.

So even that game, the Pitt game, would not be classified as a ghost town. 40,000 people in a 65,000 person stadium is not great, but it's not a ghost town. Ask anybody that was there, actually there, if they weren't surprised as to how many people actually showed up to that game. The point being, any other season, there would've been 20,000 people in the stands.

A fair, well-reasoned and even-keeled response. Props.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Well we're on UNC - that UNC game was specifically called out as a "ghost town". Those are pics from the Pitt game, fool. Try again.

Nice try at deflection, though.

More obfuscation.

Pitt is a separate discussion

Your words:

Wrong about UNC, Pitt, and Duke being ghost towns or very empty.

You weren't there, obviously

So there goes your credibility.

...but I'm the one deflecting?

Again, you're now deflecting by playing semantics.

The initial post classified the UNC game as the ghost town. Not the other games, and the other 2 games as "very empty."

I used the UNC game as my first example, and had not yet addressed either Pitt or Duke.

But neither Pitt nor Duke were "very empty". As anybody that actually attended the games would tell you. Especially in comparison to Miami's past history of poor attendance at the Orange Bowl in these type of games. I've sat in much emptier stadiums in the OB.

 

[DTP]

Pitt, being the least attended home game of the year was still nowhere near some of the embarrassingly low attended games in years past.

 

[Sebastian_29]

My ears started ringing at the FSU game after the coin toss when a fight almost broke out. We all need to do our part and go to the games and bring friends to the games. Also the team needs to win. 4 game losing streaks don't attract people in Miami.

 

[Sebastian_29]

Pitt, being the least attended home game of the year was still nowhere near some of the embarrassingly low attended games in years past.

It helps that they took seats out during the renovation.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

It's not just about attendance though (although clearly a full stadium is better than an empty one). Kids are being sold the "gameday atmosphere" by our competitors. That's a difficult sell for UM as a tenant in a pro team stadium so far away from campus. Not saying I think that is a great criteria to base your decision on, but apparently it does matter to some kids. You're kidding yourself if you really think HRS is a selling point.

 

[DTP]

I actually do think HRS is a selling point to recruits. A top of the line stadium with top of the line facilities? Who doesn't want to play home games in an NFL stadium? The rah-rah pep rally, on campus stuff is great for students but I don't think the average football player cares much about it. The players aren't experiencing the "game day atmosphere" anyway. They're at the stadium early and they leave late. It's really no different then when they played in the Orange Bowl except the bus ride is about 15 minutes longer and the locker rooms aren't hot garbage. Besides, if the more traditional campus life is what you're looking for, UM doesn't fit that mold as a university anyway.

 

[ChosenOne]

yea.. the Pitt game wasn't any good.. the UNC and Duke was okay (by UM standard).. I think people are forgetting this is a Mark Richt honeymoon season. The excitement was very high so we got better in season tickets sell.. I guarantee If we lose to FSU next year.. the attendance will plummet back to how it has been under the Al Golden Era. The opposite will happen if we beat FSU though.. Has anyone even watched the Mark Richt Show? Richt is constantly talking about having "butts in the seats" and having UM home game vs FSU like atmosphere every game.. Everyone keeps pointing to this season while completely ignoring the last 9 years at HRS. The OB wasn't any better per say but it was our stadium and closer.. Even when we were bad in 06 and 07.. We could still pull 40k (at least against regular conference opponents..) In HRS I don't think we pull 25k in the stands a game despite what the numbers would say through the years at HRS - This year was better I'll admit.. Do people understand that now a days attendance is recorded by tickets sold .. season ticket holders counts towards attendance show or no show.. that wasn't the case back then... In the days of the OB it was by how much people were actually there.. I don't understand how this is even an argument.. If you removed the home games against FSU over the last 9 years.. how would you rate our atmosphere then?

On-Campus Stadium is never gonna happen. To much you have to deal with in an unwilling area.. Our only hope is Tropical Park as of this moment.
I personally don't care where the stadium is.. I just wish the stadium was in the heart of the Canes' county so that the fans that are willing to go to every game to help create a REAL college stadium like atmosphere would have easier access to w/o having to drive in traffic for so long.
I don't care about the design of the Stadium.. it could look like UCF stadium for all I care.. The atmosphere is way more important to recruit then the actual noise. Go look at ND or Michigan. Neither are known for being loud but both have outstanding atmosphere.

I would love to have a stadium like Baylor's but we know **** well Miami don't have the money for a $266M stadium. We would have to do some serious winning like Baylor did. I don't even think we reached the amount for the IPF and that was about $30M.. so there is no way we could afford something like Baylor's.

I would take a Stadium like UCF or Rutgers. (Both are 40k+ seater), really underrated stadiums when it comes to being very loud (Go watch the game vs Texas or South Carolina for UCF.. and Go look Rutgers in their home games against Louisville (2006, 2012) or Michigan/Penn State (Both 2014 - they got murdered by both in 2016), great atmosphere, and UCF stadium would cost 65 Million now. Rutgers Stadium would cost 55 Million now.. We could afford those if we started winning on a consistent basis.

 

[Dingaan1828]

DTP is cleaning up in this thread. Stellar work. Upvote.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Do people understand that now a days attendance is recorded by tickets sold .. season ticket holders counts towards attendance show or no show.. that wasn't the case back then... In the days of the OB it was by how much people were actually there.. I don't understand how this is even an argument..

Excellent point that will be largely ignored.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I actually do think HRS is a selling point to recruits. A top of the line stadium with top of the line facilities? Who doesn't want to play home games in an NFL stadium? The rah-rah pep rally, on campus stuff is great for students but I don't think the average football player cares much about it. The players aren't experiencing the "game day atmosphere" anyway. They're at the stadium early and they leave late. It's really no different then when they played in the Orange Bowl except the bus ride is about 15 minutes longer and the locker rooms aren't hot garbage. Besides, if the more traditional campus life is what you're looking for, UM doesn't fit that mold as a university anyway.

All of this

 

[FIUMCane]

Well we're on UNC - that UNC game was specifically called out as a "ghost town". Those are pics from the Pitt game, fool. Try again.

Nice try at deflection, though.

More obfuscation.

Pitt is a separate discussion

Your words:

Wrong about UNC, Pitt, and Duke being ghost towns or very empty.

You weren't there, obviously

So there goes your credibility.

...but I'm the one deflecting?

Again, you're now deflecting by playing semantics.

The initial post classified the UNC game as the ghost town. Not the other games, and the other 2 games as "very empty."

I used the UNC game as my first example, and had not yet addressed either Pitt or Duke.

But neither Pitt nor Duke were "very empty". As anybody that actually attended the games would tell you. Especially in comparison to Miami's past history of poor attendance at the Orange Bowl in these type of games. I've sat in much emptier stadiums in the OB.

I'm such a liar.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I'd rather gnaw off my arm than have that ****** UCF stadium. That's a joke.

 

[FIUMCane]

The crowd was better than past years no doubt. But compared a students game day atmosphere here on an official visit to a Clemson, FSU, Georgia and even UFag, and you can see why they all have an advantage over us recruiting kids.

We **** near have to be perfect to get a top ten class. Meanwhile Georgia can win 6 games and they're top 5.

UFag can win the same amount of games as us, get blown out by FSU and still take kids like CJ from our back yard.

Right now HR is the best thing we got. All Im Saying is that we need a plan within the next five years. If building an IPF has taken this long, imagine a stadium.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Well we're on UNC - that UNC game was specifically called out as a "ghost town". Those are pics from the Pitt game, fool. Try again.

Nice try at deflection, though.

More obfuscation.

Pitt is a separate discussion

Your words:

Wrong about UNC, Pitt, and Duke being ghost towns or very empty.

You weren't there, obviously

So there goes your credibility.

...but I'm the one deflecting?

Again, you're now deflecting by playing semantics.

The initial post classified the UNC game as the ghost town. Not the other games, and the other 2 games as "very empty."

I used the UNC game as my first example, and had not yet addressed either Pitt or Duke.

But neither Pitt nor Duke were "very empty". As anybody that actually attended the games would tell you. Especially in comparison to Miami's past history of poor attendance at the Orange Bowl in these type of games. I've sat in much emptier stadiums in the OB.

I'm such a liar.

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Actually, you're a HUGE liar.

The first pic is prior to kickoff.

The other pics don't show a "ghost town." The estimated attendance at the UNC was about 45 to maybe 50,000. How is that a ghost town? That means about 15,000 empty seats. Still not a ghost town though.

You fūcked up. You lied. Admit like a man and move on.

Nice try, though.

I bet you spent hours looking for those - I'm laughing my *** off