The Most Damning Indictment Of Al's Coaching Ability Yet

[The Franchise]

LULZ at all the dopes pointing to attrition as an excuse for Folden. Part of the HCs job is to sign character guys who will develop and not quit or get kicked out for low character activities. Folden has been a major failure in that area.

On top of that, the dopes act like top programs don't lose underclassmen every year. In fact, the better programs lose more players than we do because they're being developed and winning and are more attractive to the NFL. Seems like LSU loses 10 underclassmen every year. And the guys they're losing are productive players unlike Jawand Blue and some of the other guys Folden misevaluated.

 

[canesrdynamite]

Our recruits are ranked 56! places higher, and we get beat by 38 points.

You can't extrapolate that a team is more talented when you are 7 spots ahead in the recruiting rankings from 17th to 25th.

Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. It proves nothing even if you were to assume the recruiting rankings to be accurate at the time of the rankings...the only thing that matters is who contributed, for how long, and the impact that players of certain positions can effect a game like Teddy Bridgewater or Colin Klein.

Gotcha. Colin Klein = 56 stars.

 

[poncho0091]

Why dont reporters bring this up when they talk to blake james and the BoT. They always say Golden was "handed a bad deal" and he needs time to recruit. But the reporter should bring this up.

Because they would laugh in your face. Furthermore, this "extrapolation" would provide more evidence that a majority of our fan base is uneducated and blowhards.

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly on the bandwagon to replace our Defensive Coordinator following the season. I am not a supporter of letting Al Golden go unless you can replace him with a bonafide proven winner with HC experience at the Div 1 level. I don't know what the future looks like for Golden but if you want to be mired in mediocrity for eternity, turning over your coaching staff every 4 years will do it.

Back to your argument.

First, those are not statistics. They are objective rankings that are not accurate in the short run and significantly less accurate in the long run.

1. You do realize that almost all players from the 5th year in the set are not on the team that you are measuring.
2. Attrition is not accounted for at all. In 2011, for example, Brandon Harris and Arthur Brown, the 2 highest ranking players were already gone. Ray Ray Armstrong played maybe 2 games because of suspension. Olivier Vernon missed 6 games. Marcus Forston was injured during 2nd game of season. Aldarius Johnson was suspended for season. Your top recruits from the years that are supposed to be your core team (year 3 & 4) had essentially 0 impact.
3. Going forward, the remaining recruits with high rankings - Brandon Washington, lamar Miller, Dyron Dye, Vernon, Marcus Forston, Tommy Streeter all left early for the draft
4. The 2009 & 2010 classes, Shannon's last 2 classes were absolute dumpster fires.

So the teams that you are arguing are more talented than the opponents with whom we lost too are made up of mostly low end recruits...you know..like the players that Duke signs.

There is no accounting for injury like not having Duke Johnson, Deon Bush, or Phil Dorsett most of the season? We were 6-0 until we lost to FSU (who crushed Auburn in the NC) and played the rest of the season wthout our 2 best offensive weapons. Our starting RB was Dallas Crawford. Pretty big differential between Duke and Dallas.

And what water does this argument hold when you are using teams like Kansas St and Duke (2013 version) as your basis when both teams lost 1 game those seasons.

Using the same logic, we beat Florida and Ohio State, they certainly "out recruited" us.

What is the difference between the 18th spot and the 30th spot? 1 5 star player? 5 3 star players? The difference out of the top 5-10 is minimal. You can't extrapolate that a team is more talented when you are 7 spots ahead in the recruiting rankings from 17th to 25th.

Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. It proves nothing even if you were to assume the recruiting rankings to be accurate at the time of the rankings...the only thing that matters is who contributed, for how long, and the impact that players of certain positions can effect a game like Teddy Bridgewater or Colin Klein.

Most of the teams we play are in the 50's or worse in recruiting.

 

[stat1124]

Uggh...im gonna be sick

 

[RiDLer80]

Why dont reporters bring this up when they talk to blake james and the BoT. They always say Golden was "handed a bad deal" and he needs time to recruit. But the reporter should bring this up.

Because they would laugh in your face. Furthermore, this "extrapolation" would provide more evidence that a majority of our fan base is uneducated and blowhards.

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly on the bandwagon to replace our Defensive Coordinator following the season. I am not a supporter of letting Al Golden go unless you can replace him with a bonafide proven winner with HC experience at the Div 1 level. I don't know what the future looks like for Golden but if you want to be mired in mediocrity for eternity, turning over your coaching staff every 4 years will do it.

Oh, a bonafied, proved winner you say? It's funny that's your requisite when we don't currently have that. Golden isn't, and has never been a bonafied, proven winner. Also, I guess you're comfortable with our current mediocrity rather than risk the unknown. How ***** of you.

 

[kendallcanes]

By year 4, we haven't seen anything that would make us believe that Al can bring us back to where we should be.

 

[weownfsu]

They do an ok job. Seriously go back and look at the top 100 most years. Half the guys you can't remember. The ones you do know, some were ok and the rest were really good.

The teams that win national championships have some of the best recruiting classes every year. The best teams over long stretches in college football have top rated recruiting classes. So what's more likely...the recruiting rankings are wrong or Al Golden sucks?

And if these recruiting rankings are wrong and Al Golden hasn't brought in any talent, why the **** is he the coach again? Certainly has nothing to do with the "cloud," because Golden has gotten plenty of guys that everybody else wanted.

What's more likely, you to have looked at a top 100 or just assume that because I made a comment that it had anything to do with Golden. Here is 2008. There was no reason why I picked 08. Just came up.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...zcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA0xPTkdUQzFfMQ--

Look at the guys we got. Now u could bring up the coach at that point too so go look at USC. Other than Cushing those guys were nobodies. Are going to question Carroll. **** go look at USC 05,06,07,08. Last 4 classes of Carroll. Littered with nothing but 4s and5s but they almost all stunk.

Oh and I bet you were one of those posters who claimed clappy sucked because he didn't recruit and went just off the rankings.

WTF are you trying to even say? You realize what we are saying is that we're wasting talent at UM, right? USC crushed recruiting every year under Carroll, and basically had ONE down year--a 9-4 record. After 2001, that was their worst record under PC. 9-4. Good job, bro.

Guess when that 9-4 season occurred? Hint after all the supposed great 05,06,07,08, recruiting classes. He left right after that and they weren't very good when the bulk of the team was made up of those bad classes. And we weren't discussing the wasting of talent. I stated that the services are just ok at ranking players. That has nothing to do with UM or golden.
Composite Recruiting Rankings, 2010-2013

TeamRivals 4-year rankingScout 4-year ranking4-year record2013 Final AP ranking
AlabamaNo. 1No. 146-7No. 7
FloridaNo. 2No. 730-21Not ranked
USCNo. 3No. 11 (tied)35-17Not ranked
Florida StateNo. 4No. 645-10No. 1
AuburnNo. 5No. 2 (tied)37-16No. 2
LSUNo. 6No. 2 (tied)44-9No. 14
TexasNo. 7No. 2 (tied)30-21Not ranked
Ohio StateNo. 8No. 2 (tied)42-10No. 12
GeorgiaNo. 9No. 9 (tied)36-18No. 31
OklahomaNo. 10 (tied)No. 843-10No. 6
Notre DameNo. 10 (tied)No. 11 (tied)37-15No. 20
MichiganNo. 12No. 9 (tied)33-19Not ranked
ClemsonNo. 13No. 1438-15No. 8
TennesseeNo. 14 (tied)No. 1721-28Not ranked
OregonNo. 14 (tied)No. 1347-6No. 9
Texas A&MNo. 16No. 1936-16No. 18
UCLANo. 17No. 1629-24No. 16
South CarolinaNo. 18No. 1842-11No. 4
NebraskaNo. 19No. 2438-16No. 26
MiamiNo. 20No. 2029-21Not ranked
CaliforniaNo. 21No. 2616-33Not ranked
Ole MissNo. 22No. 2221-29No. 33
WashingtonNo. 23No. 1530-22No. 25
Virginia TechNo. 24No. 3137-17Not ranked
StanfordNo. 25No. 2546-8No. 11
Oklahoma StateNo. 26No. 2141-11No. 17
ArkansasNo. 28No. 2328-22Not ranked


Here u go. 4 yr composite of the top 28 recruiting classes from 2010-2013. 12 didn't finish in the top 25. Close to 50%. Is 50% supposed to be good?

Yes. You proved all the recruiting services wrong because USC, after 7 straight years of winning 10+ games, had a 9 win season. Good job. You moron, your list doesn't prove ****. First, it's ONE YEAR. Second, There's plenty of other teams that are in our same situation--good talent, bad coaching. So having a highly ranked recruiting class isn't sufficient to win. But it is NECESSARY. And that's demonstrated by the fact that the majority of the teams who dominate college football each year also have top recruiting classes each year. It's an undeniable fact, and you just vomited all over yourself.

When you can understand the difference between sufficient and necessary conditions, then you can return to the thread.

 

[chicanego]

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly on the bandwagon to replace our Defensive Coordinator following the season. I am not a supporter of letting Al Golden go unless you can replace him with a bonafide proven winner with HC experience at the Div 1 level. I don't know what the future looks like for Golden but if you want to be mired in mediocrity for eternity, turning over your coaching staff every 4 years will do it.

0-4 against Florida State
1-16 vs. Ranked Opponents on the Road
14-13 in the Garbage ACC
19-5 vs. the Power Five

Oh, and for all you mouth-breathing losers that think he did a great job at Temple:

0-14 against teams in the MAC with winning records.

He is an awful head coach and has always been an awful head coach.

The future is **** as long as this fat loser is roaming around the sidelines.

 

[caneizzle#1]

Every career in the real world demands performance and results. College football coaches have many different jobs and responsibilities. And are paid well for those. Not saying its easy or hard, but when we look at the steady downward spiral of on the field football stats, its hard to defend Golden. I have never seen a Cane defense this bad! Watching us play GT with a buddy when we had GT like. 3rd and 18. I called it. (I'm not a football expert) I said watch this. There will be someone running free, by himself, with flares blazing off the shoulder pads for the opposing qb to easily spot for an easy pitch and catch. Minus the flares, ta da!! I looked like a football savant!! Im done watching this coaching staff on game day looking like a monkey f#%& a football! I was really excited about this year. I had hope and was pulling for Golden. Not anymore. Like some of my fellow knuckleheads are saying " bring back Butch". I'll never pull against our boys, but Golden has to go!

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

This thread deserves a bump a roo

 

[WhatTheHell]

Hey Golden Girls, before your group suicide, can you explain how losing 3 scholarships a year starting this season has anything to do with these simple facts?

 

[streetja]

Oh, and for all you mouth-breathing losers that think he did a great job at Temple:

0-14 against teams in the MAC with winning records.

Scary as ****

What an awful stat

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Every career in the real world demands performance and results.

Except for the 9-5's the Golden Girls work at. Why do you think they have the attitudes they have towards achievement?

 

[hcanes100]

Never forget......

 

[pb5cane]

Never forget......

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

The cloud hurt recruiting and probation cost us games

-txslurper

 

[hcanes100]

Golden already made christmas cards in the downtime due to trying to get his mind off the FSU 2nd half collapse....

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Turn back now if you want to remain living with your head in the sand. This is a deep, dark, journey into just how bad the current head football coach of Miami really is. The following is cold hard evidence of just how terrible his performance has been. You will see some things that will change you forever. If you want to remain renting real estate on the coast of Al Golden's *******, x out of this page; shlt's bout to get real.



Welcome to those of you brave souls who continued reading. So, the following exchange really got me thinking:

They have no answer when you show them our class rankings vs those of the teams beating us.

And that's where the disconnect lies. These people focus on "the cloud" hurting recruiting, but they think about it in a vaccum. It's a black and white thing. It either hurt recruiting or it didn't. The end. But back in the real world, regardless of the cloud, we brought in recruiting classes that were highly ranked. How have they performed under this coaching staff? Their simple minds can't move past "cloud hurt recruiting" to actually think about if the team is underperforming relative to the actual talent.

After I read this, it made me want to really know the numbers. So I went and looked them up.

People seem to think “Welp, we were being investigated, so we can’t win. Every loss or bad game is justified because we were being investigated”


That's as far as they go. They don't dig deeper. They refuse to examine the information and realize that even if a few recruits each cycle didn't want to come here, we still out-recruited the majority of the teams we have lost to. If you wanted to argue the investigation cost us X amount of recruits, fine, let's assume that's true for a moment. The issue is, even if this was the case, that is irrelevant to the fact the recruits we DID have, the rosters we have brought in, were more highly-rated than 78% of the teams Al has lost to.


That is inexcusable. It is strictly on the coaching staff and has nothing to do with an "investigation." Many people seem to be overlooking this very important fact.




Here are all the games we've lost under Al Golden, along with each team’s 5-year class average going into that year.



(Listed from 2011-2014)
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One final note: The average margin of defeat has increased every season that Al Golden has been here. Miami has lost by an average of

5 PTS in 2011
18 PTS in 2012
22 PTS in 2013



Plenty of time left this season to see if he can continue the UPWARD TREND.



Thank you for accompanying me on this journey of horrors. God save the Queen.

Bump for the helluvit

 

[daddacane]

Couldn't read this....I thought it was some new and shattering news...

 

[canesrdynamite]

Maryland, KState, Nebraska, 2nd half FSU, #nightgames all signs of the Alpocalypse. Softness is in his DNA.

Strong recruiting with no development is just another issue.