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The Foreclosure (7/12)

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RVACane said:
Was that McElwain at Florida during those years? Probably his recruits at a minimum between him and Mullen.
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CT Cane 44 said:
We will not have UF classes with Mario. The question is can he win enough with what he gets. We will always be in the top ten in recruiting. Can Mario and staff pick the right kids to win big. He has failed to mail certain positions. DT he has 5 kids. Had we kept Collins A Horton and Jackson we would have a great group. Mario gets studs but can he find enough when we lose the bidding wars.

I asked about Kiffin because he seems to have a swagger that could be nice after a hard *** like Mario.
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I understand your point but always in top ten in recruiting??? You might've slept through the signing day periods last year because I have some news for you.....
 
Page305 said:
I understand your point but always in top ten in recruiting??? You might've slept through the signing day periods last year because I have some news for you.....
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I haven’t been following recruiting this cycle. Do you think we finish in the top 10?
 
252cane said:
He definitely recruited some high ranked guys. But would supplement them with a lot of guys who wasn’t Miami caliber. I gave him credit for some of those low 3 star he got that turned out good
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Yep for every Michael Jackson/Njoku there seemed to be 10 Corey Kings
 
It's exhausting dealing with the Miami fanbase, much less the South Florida community. Miami is the only school I can think of where things have to be absolutely PERFECT in order for the local recruits to give Miami a legit chance. Texas stunk for DECADES, TAMU hasn't won anything in my(and most of our) grandparents lifetimes, kids are still lining up to go there.

The Miami community actively searches for reasons to push kids away from a University that has shown that they are serious about winning football. No matter what the University does, no matter what steps forward are taken, too many local people have made up their mind about the program and the University. It's amazing that Miami is expected to succeed DESPITE the community, something few other schools are expected to do. We can discuss why the local community behaves this way(A small local alumni base, an antipathy towards the University based on decades of BS narratives pushed by those in the community that have their own agendas(Uncle Luke)), but if Mario can't overcome it, despite being from the community, despite being a proven winner at multiple stops, despite being able to marshal top end financial support, then no coach ever will.

I hope that Mario reaches out to Jimmy and Butch, two coaches that leveraged national recruiting when the local community turned their backs on them. Texas and Cali will always be Miami friendly areas, because those kids haven't been poisoned. Same with the eastern seaboard, those kids believe in what Miami has been and can be once again.

Maybe it's time for us to let go of the "State of Miami" myth, and understand that it's a waste of time to recruit people that will NEVER be receptive to what the University offers. Fight for the high end kids that WANT to be 'Canes, but avoid getting your hopes up about most of the high end recruits. Up your eval budget, make sure you hit on the low 4 star and high 3 star talents that could benefit from development, and are receptive to the sales pitch.
 
I’ll say this. I feel better going into Saturdays with Mario’s classes vs manny or richt. Coaching decisions be damned, at least we look the part finally. What richt said? “Where are all the big guys?” We’re headed in the right direction.
 
423Hurricane said:
No HC specializes in more than 1 or 2 position groups. Sabag was DB’s. Mario is OL. It’s all about the coordinators and position coaches a HC hires. A HC can help bring in talent but the position coaches are tasked with developing that talent.
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He needs some better recruiter at positions. Saying that now people will downvote me to oblivion or disagree. Come back in a year or two and this post will be spot on. When you start seeing guys move to other programs (instead of being fired) they were basically told to kick rocks. There are a few I would replace for recruiting purposes.
 
RVACane said:
I haven’t been following recruiting this cycle. Do you think we finish in the top 10?
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I honestly haven't been following much as well. I limited myself to only know what's going on when it's posted in here. This year is all about the season for me.

But to answer your question, we BETTER finish with a top 10 class. Back to back seasons outside of that is absolutely disgusting and stains Mario's rep as a "elite" recruiter. I know most ppl don't think wins matter that much nowadays but I think for us it does. 10+ wins and we're guaranteed a top 10 class. Anything less than that..... oh boy. Prepare your butts(no pause).
 
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JGUNNER305 said:
These HS recruits are going else where not because of Mario. A lot of them prefer to play in SEC, they prefer big home crowds that provide a College environment, they prefer NIKE over Adidas. You can bring in any other coach like a Lane Kiffin, and it wouldn’t change a thing.

Miami needs to change to the SEC or BIG 10 and to NIKE, Hopefully that would fixed that home crowd attendance.
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Yea because going to sec will make our fans show up to Bethune Cookman games . Yall gotta stop glazing that conference. Playing in the Sec doesn’t help the attendance of Vanderbilt and Mississippi State
 
Dwinstitles said:
He needs some better recruiter at positions. Saying that now people will downvote me to oblivion or disagree. Come back in a year or two and this post will be spot on. When you start seeing guys move to other programs (instead of being fired) they were basically told to kick rocks. There are a few I would replace for recruiting purposes.
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No argument from me. Recruiting can’t be a one man (Mario) show. Running a D1 football isn’t a one man show. It’s all about the people the HC hires.
 
DMoney said:

I won’t sugarcoat it. I’m expecting more bad news, based on recent conversations. There isn’t much confidence on anyone right now, including Derrek Cooper.

I’ve thought we’d get him from the beginning, and still think we can flip him at some point. But we’re behind Texas headed into the announcement. And this is an absolute top priority recruit.

It seems a lot of kids still don’t believe in Miami. And the local players least of all. That’s understandable- they know us the best. Many of our fans don’t believe in us after two decades of disappointment.

The bottom line is we need to get over the hump. We were on the verge when we forgot to kneel against Georgia Tech. We were on the verge when we were up 21-0 on Syracuse. We need to get to the next level as a program to prove we aren’t the place dreams go to die.

Until then, we will be fighting a lot of uphill battles.
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Soooo you gave examples of us being on the verge that highlighted Mario’s coaching ineptitude. I’ve been screaming for 3 years that Manny was a better coach and was laughed at. Mario is a perennial 3 loss coach at best. And that’s with him being given everything he needs to compete with the big boys
 
Dwinstitles said:
Lol

“Win and they will come”

Best season we had in awhile they don’t come pause

Goalpost: “we didn’t make the playoffs that’s why”

5-7 year one good class

Goalpost: “you can sell what your building your a new HC”


All bs
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You can’t **** the bed like we did to end the year.

Even with 10 wins they were able to say “Same old Miami”.

Mario can sell.

We got money.

There are only two issues holding us back: conference and track record.
 
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RVACane said:
He can’t develop much beyond OL and for all the OL hype, how many OL has he put in the league in the 1st round over the the last 10 years… Sewell, a few years ago, and Mauigoa shortly?
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So the position group he actually works with he proves he can develop... what a revelation.
 
Look it’s work to do but imagine complaining about recruiting, let alone in July when Cristobal since he’s been at Miami as well as other places shown you he can close. RELAX!

Just don’t follow recruiting like that and just look every now and then and you won’t get so worked up lol. Mind you I used To follow recruiting daily and now I hardly check unless it’s big news
 
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