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TwentySix said:
I mean, @Lance Roffers is right on this, and I’m sure he’ll speak to it on his breakdown this week if he does one. There’s a reason underdogs try to shorten the game, fewer plays gives more weight to each individual play which favors the team that’s less likely to win down to down. A few fluke plays here and there are way less impactful in a game with 150 total plays than one with 75.

I’m not saying we should be running at a USF tempo, but the tempo in the first half was detrimental.
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Because he was calling it as he saw it in real time? No. His point about explosives is totally valid. I also didn’t see him make any posts today with over the top ridiculousness AFTER we won by 35. Maybe he will, but I really doubt it. As I’ve mentioned/quoted before, it’s quite possible to be a fan and not be a slurper nor a mope.
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Lance is obviously correct
 
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JHallCanes said:
Honestly that’s what Mario thinks he’s doing by grinding out the run game.

He wants to physically overwhelm the opponent in the trenches and when we are running the ball effectively at the end of games that’s his entire goal. That’s humiliating to him.

Not saying that’s good bad or indifferent but that’s who he is.
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We started really lighting things up once we shifted from the Hey Diddle Let's Run into the Wall in the MIddle.

So Mario maybe needs a Come To Jesus moment and mix things up. Get well ahead - and then we can go back to getting stuffed time after time between the Guards.

This is the most stubborn Offensive Play calling I've ever seen. Defenders tighten up between the Guards - it looks like they're taking a team photo.
 
Hurricane23 said:
I'm glad we dominated, but bruh, it was Stanford, they're not even relatively close talent-wise, I'm saying, where was all that against Louisville, a team that we're more talented than, but has enough to beat us. The best team left on our schedule is probably Pitt, and we can't afford to lose another game now, or we're cooked when it comes to the playoffs, and knowing our coach and the way he makes things more difficult than they should be, it'll be tough not to lose another game
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I don't EVER want to hear "Butch could put together a team, but was a poor gameday coach" again.

Toney lit things up - and I wonder how many games we'd have lost except for Toney and CJ pulling off major events.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I made a comment on a post after the Louisville game about a sub group of "fans" that "is unsatisfied with anything less than complete and total annihilation of every single opponent each week." They are The Faction.

BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati

Post in thread 'Fan support for Cristobal?'

There’s a faction of our fanbase that is unsatisfied with anything less than complete and total annihilation of every single opponent each week.
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Considering our history since 2003, I get this stupidity after an uninspired loss to a team we should've beat. However, I'm seeing these creatures come out again this morning after a 42-7 win over Stanford. Yes, I saw the first half. Yes, it was uninspired (again) Yes, I get the PTSD as I was feeling it too. Then the second half came and we looked like the team we should have been in the first half. Football games are not played on a glowing screen with joysticks. Parity is very real. Last year's national champ had two losses and I think it's very likely the champ will not be undefeated this year...at least I haven't seen a world beater to this point. (Side note - Indiana played the LA version of Stanford yesterday and rolled them. They might be the best team so far and I can't belive I'm writing this.) I'll never understand why some fans feel the the need to act as if the world is ending after a blowout victory. It is a poor reflection on the school and those who do that look dumb. But....I guess Message Board Geniuses wouldn't exist without it.

Carry on.
Go Canes.

And y'all can "finna drag me" if ya want. Don't care cuz I'm not wrong about this.
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Our standards have dropped so far in the last 20 years. If you don’t line up each week expecting to annihilate your opponent you’re in the wrong sport. We’re in the weak **** ACC. This team is loaded with talent. So yes I expect us to annihilate everyone each week. I don’t expect us to get out schemed by competent coaches all the time. So I’m part of the Faction you speak of. I’m old school and spoiled by the 80’s to 2001.
 
Ksoze8 said:
Our standards have dropped so far in the last 20 years. If you don’t line up each week expecting to annihilate your opponent you’re in the wrong sport. We’re in the weak **** ACC. This team is loaded with talent. So yes I expect us to annihilate everyone each week. I don’t expect us to get out schemed by competent coaches all the time. So I’m part of the Faction you speak of. I’m old school and spoiled by the 80’s to 2001.
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The 2025 'standard' was set earlier this year vs ND, USF, UF and FSU where we played like title contenders. Now we're back to conjuring up venn diagrams painting pictures of how we can still make it to the ******* ACCCG. The regression to our ol' mean should be concerning to all of us.
 
Ksoze8 said:
Our standards have dropped so far in the last 20 years. If you don’t line up each week expecting to annihilate your opponent you’re in the wrong sport. We’re in the weak **** ACC. This team is loaded with talent. So yes I expect us to annihilate everyone each week. I don’t expect us to get out schemed by competent coaches all the time. So I’m part of the Faction you speak of. I’m old school and spoiled by the 80’s to 2001.
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Ah so you’re an unhappy dolt. DM me your address and I’ll mail you your trophy. At least you’re honest.

You must have been PIZSED OFF after the Notre Dame, UF and FSU games. How on Earth did you manage your post-game anger in light of those wins that weren’t total annihilation?

See my point?
 
MovingZen said:
I don't want to hear about it because that's football. Stanford could say a bunch of shoulda coulda woulda for the game also. People are mad because we saw the same **** in the first half that plagued the team the last three games.. and we were tied with a depleted bottom feeder. Imo is reasonable to feel that **** offense isn't going to beat good teams. Some dudes are getting paid tons of money to be unimaginative as ****. Yeah, we blew them out in the second half because the turnovers and short punts gave us some really short fields. It shouldn't take being tied with Stanford at half to realize you need to do something different. I think most of us are glad for the W but a lot of us realize that **** offense will not beat good teams. We're 3 games into the acc schedule and we're already outside looking in and we've only played one decent team. Great, we won the battle but it's clear that if we don't do something different we'll be left out again this year. Had we not just lost to louisville because our offense sucked, how we played against Stanford wouldn't be the hot topic it is.
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"I don't want to hear anything reasonable!"
 
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Brad_Wellson said:
I love the fans who have learned nothing over the last 25 years and are totally unreasonable, and then act as if it's a positive character trait or some kind of alpha move.
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Yeah the dudes who type UNACCEPTABLE in all caps after anything non-positive and shove their chests out proudly when asked about it. I know the type. I was at a game 15-20 years ago and after the loss, this friend of a friend was looking to pick a fight with literally anyone from the other team’s fans. I asked him. “wtf are you doing?” His answer? “I’m from Philly bro; we fight after wins and losses.” I walked the other direction. Never saw him again. Different, but similar to proud Factuon members.
 
CaneinBroward said:
At $12M a year, they care. Only 2 guys make more than him now, Kirby and Day.
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While I agree, he's basically in a Kirk Ferentz position. He's pretty golden as long as he's consistently 9 wins or better. An occasional fall off-season would probably be fine as long as it doesn't repeat consecutively.
 
It's not about annihilation, its merely about competency. Do the latter, and the former will take care of itself.
 
Like with most everything the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We looked good the first five games, not dominant. There were plenty of players and coaches talking of getting better and it wasn't just hyperbole.

The 4th quarter of FSU through the first half of Stanford is concerning but still on par with what we have seen from this team. Losing by three to a team currently ranked and probably should have been when we played is not the end of the world. That was with a meltdown of turnovers and playing one game in a span of 27 days. The questionable aspect to me is coaching and scheme.

Things are never as good as they seem and things are never as bad as they seem.
 
Ksoze8 said:
Our standards have dropped so far in the last 20 years. If you don’t line up each week expecting to annihilate your opponent you’re in the wrong sport. We’re in the weak **** ACC. This team is loaded with talent. So yes I expect us to annihilate everyone each week. I don’t expect us to get out schemed by competent coaches all the time. So I’m part of the Faction you speak of. I’m old school and spoiled by the 80’s to 2001.
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We have 3 undefeated seasons in 90 years of football.

You’re not spoiled, you’re delusional.
 
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poncho0091 said:
While I agree, he's basically in a Kirk Ferentz position. He's pretty golden as long as he's consistently 9 wins or better. An occasional fall off-season would probably be fine as long as it doesn't repeat consecutively.
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Ferentz is making $5M less a year than Cignetti. He is on a totally different plane as far as compensation is concerned. You have gone from needing to break 10 wins once every 5 years, to winning 9 games regularly so that's more in line with a $12M a year coach. If Indiana is truly happy with breaking 10 wins once every 5 years, they could be spending substantially less.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Ah so you’re an unhappy dolt. DM me your address and I’ll mail you your trophy. At least you’re honest.

You must have been PIZSED OFF after the Notre Dame, UF and FSU games. How on Earth did you manage your post-game anger in light of those wins that weren’t total annihilation?

See my point?
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When I see an attempted run between the Guards - time after time getting stuffed because defenders are three deep between the Tackles -

and we waste possession after possession getting nowhere - you bet your *** I'm unhappy.

If you can't see the futility in pursuing a pursuit that's beating ourselves - then I'd say your "happy" status is all twisted up.

It's getting easier and easier to identify those who got the clot shots.
 
UMFarArcher said:
When I see an attempted run between the Guards - time after time getting stuffed because defenders are three deep between the Tackles -

and we waste possession after possession getting nowhere - you bet your *** I'm unhappy.

If you can't see the futility in pursuing a pursuit that's beating ourselves - then I'd say your "happy" status is all twisted up.

It's getting easier and easier to identify those who got the clot shots.
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We had two drives Saturday night that went "nowhere", so ease up on the hyperbole.
 
I could save UM a lot of money.

Make me the Offensive Coordinator - and I can call play after play up the middle when the middle is stacked - and I'll take just half of our OC's paycheck.

Every day I could come to work with three plays on my sheet -

up the middle a bit to the left,
up the middle a bit to the right -

and only on third downs - we pass - but because we wasted the first two plays - they gotta be LONG, DEEP passes with tiny percentages of completion.
 
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