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UMFarArcher said:
I could save UM a lot of money.

Make me the Offensive Coordinator - and I can call play after play up the middle when the middle is stacked - and I'll take just half of our OC's paycheck.

Every day I could come to work with three plays on my sheet -

up the middle a bit to the left,
up the middle a bit to the right -

and only on third downs - we pass - but because we wasted the first two plays - they gotta be LONG, DEEP passes with tiny percentages of completion.
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1st drive to start with 2 running plays up the middle was when we had 28-7 lead
 
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UMFarArcher said:
When I see an attempted run between the Guards - time after time getting stuffed because defenders are three deep between the Tackles -

and we waste possession after possession getting nowhere - you bet your *** I'm unhappy.

If you can't see the futility in pursuing a pursuit that's beating ourselves - then I'd say your "happy" status is all twisted up.

It's getting easier and easier to identify those who got the clot shots.
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Ok dummy. You want to throw out insults, enjoy this one - I didn't get a clot shot, unless that's some reference to when I used to bang your wife. With a stupid statement like that, it's likely you're also a racist, but I'll wait to throw that one out there until you blatantly offer up another hot take.

Now that we got the obligatory insults out of the way, did it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe, those boring runs (and I agree with you - they suck against stacked boxes.) are set up that way to A) prevent lost yardage (that's been Mario/Dawson's explanation) and B) to make it so when they do (rarely) go off script, it's that much more effective? Remember the Toney jet sweep against Louisville? Yeah, he was pretty much untouched. First time we ran that play in forever (<-- that's called hypebole btw). Did you see Fletcher score THREE touchdowns out of those runs on Saturday? Or any of his other runs? While this may seem like a defense of that scheme, it's not. I'm mentioning this to point out that it is actually possible to see the good and the bad in things - simultaneously. Saying "our run schemes are unimaginative and boring" or "we shouldn't run into stacked boxes" is very fair criticism. Just like it's fair to point out the other side. That's the part the Faction doesn't like....pointing out the good.

This isn't about futility, frustration or faulty run plays. This is about a faction of our fanbase (which you proudly are a part of) that carry around ridiculously unattainable expectations and are unhappy when those nearly impossible expectatoins aren't met. I've said countless times on this thread and others that I'm totally fine with criticizing the team, coaches, players, play calling, etc. You don't want to see that when you (and a few others) make over the top statements about "wasting possession after possesion" without acknowledging the rest of what occurred, it severely dilutes the message you're trying to send. That said, I'm pretty sure I wasted two paragraphs of my life with you because you're just a miserable person.

How's that for a...... jab?
 
UMFarArcher said:
I could save UM a lot of money.

Make me the Offensive Coordinator - and I can call play after play up the middle when the middle is stacked - and I'll take just half of our OC's paycheck.

Every day I could come to work with three plays on my sheet -

up the middle a bit to the left,
up the middle a bit to the right -

and only on third downs - we pass - but because we wasted the first two plays - they gotta be LONG, DEEP passes with tiny percentages of completion.
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I would call you a dummy (again), but I don't need to. You showed the world all by yourself.
 
UMFarArcher said:
I could save UM a lot of money.

Make me the Offensive Coordinator - and I can call play after play up the middle when the middle is stacked - and I'll take just half of our OC's paycheck.

Every day I could come to work with three plays on my sheet -

up the middle a bit to the left,
up the middle a bit to the right -

and only on third downs - we pass - but because we wasted the first two plays - they gotta be LONG, DEEP passes with tiny percentages of completion.
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Could you show us the drives this year that went run, run, deep incompletion?

I know you have a character to play on this board, but nothing that you wrote actually happens.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I’ve said that for years. I guarantee it. You’d have people on here, dead ***, saying “we won in spite of Mario” blah blah. I gotta do better of just not engaging people anymore here. These are miserable humans in their personal lives. It’s like arguing religion or politics. No matter what happens, none of these people will be happy for longer than a minute, because their existence on the planet sucks. So there’s no point trying to change anyone’s mind. When we win, cool, we were supposed to. I’ll go back to my shift at Super Lube. When we lose, or even win but not as impressively as I, knowing of nothing, thinks we should have, I will unleash a ****storm of posts so furious it’ll block out the sun and you will KNOW that ********** Mario is a loser.

Truly weird bunch.
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Great post! This is exactly CIS to a tee.

These are the people you see walking towards you on a sidewalk from far away that you quickly run across the street so you don't have to interact with them. LOL
 
Well yeah I'll be "The Faction" all day. If you never played Football I can see why scoring on Stanford in the 3rd Quarter doesn't offend you.

I can see why running up the middle every play doesn't offend you...

Playing 3 WRs and 1 TE instead of 4 WRs to spread the Defense out..

Paying 3 Million for Carson Beck instead of Mendoza/Somebody else.

Playing Bro Ball giving teams hope and every week you're in a Dog Fight. Instead of killing everybody so your starters can rest.

Yeah I'm "The Faction"
 
UBaby93 said:
Well yeah I'll be "The Faction" all day. If you never played Football I can see why scoring on Stanford in the 3rd Quarter doesn't offend you.

I can see why running up the middle every play doesn't offend you...

Playing 3 WRs and 1 TE instead of 4 WRs to spread the Defense out..

Paying 3 Million for Carson Beck instead of Mendoza/Somebody else.

Playing Bro Ball giving teams hope and every week you're in a Dog Fight. Instead of killing everybody so your starters can rest.

Yeah I'm "The Faction"
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Bro Ball kept them in the game?

1st drive ended with two straight passes that went nowhere
2nd drive ended with two incompletions on three plays
3rd drive ended with a dropped pass for a 1st down

But yeah, we're just running it up the middle on every play and then punting.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I think the complaints about the offense are justified.

This is STANFORD. The offense was not explosive.

Lets not act like Toney didn't have two huge Punt Returns, Bissainthe and interception to get us to the goal line, and Lucas with another interception on their side of the field.

Thats four possessions with excellent field position.

The offense threw for less than 200 yards against a secondary with multiple injuries and suspensions.

The running backs ran for 178 yards on 4.23 yards per carry.

Against a Stanford team that is totally outnatched talent wise.

Listen, I am one of the biggest proponents of not complaining after a win. If you cant enjoy wins, why watch football?

Buuuuut, this was a ****** Stanford team and our offense did not really look good at all. It is very concerning and questions about it are legit.
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All fair points....and you included some positives.... The Faction doesn't do that.

See the difference?
 
UBaby93 said:
Well yeah I'll be "The Faction" all day. If you never played Football I can see why scoring on Stanford in the 3rd Quarter doesn't offend you.

I can see why running up the middle every play doesn't offend you...

Playing 3 WRs and 1 TE instead of 4 WRs to spread the Defense out..

Paying 3 Million for Carson Beck instead of Mendoza/Somebody else.

Playing Bro Ball giving teams hope and every week you're in a Dog Fight. Instead of killing everybody so your starters can rest.

Yeah I'm "The Faction"
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...and you're stupid because what you wrote isn't what happened.
 
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I could be completely wrong here, but I do believe that most of us on the board genuinely want what's best for the team and the program. I also believe that a healthy amount of mopery is just as important as a healthy amount of slurp (no Diddy). Reading through this thread, and others, has shown me that, by in large, we have a relatively healthy ecosystem.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
All as double digit favorites…all against inferior comp…all with control over our postseason destiny. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Let’s ignore the previous two seasons too because it doesn’t fit the select narrative.

Carry on king
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Now do the records of the top 5 teams the last few years….

Not claiming Mario is a HC savant. But its this lack of perspective that is truly infuriating. This is not to demand a level of excellence but that perspective is also needed.

Today’s college football landscape, for quite some time, nobody runs the table, ergo the elite teams will lose to inferior teams in the regular season. **** we have already seen two teams win the title game with 2 regular season losses on their record. This is the norm in a 12 game schedule. For God’s sakes two of our national title teams, when it was only an 11 game schedule lost a game in the regular season.

EVERY team will have a couple of mediocre performances, and when you play against a team that is average or decent or good, which Louisville is, odds are you will lose.

Let it play out.

Are we better off now than we were when Mario took over?
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Ok dummy. You want to throw out insults, enjoy this one - I didn't get a clot shot, unless that's some reference to when I used to bang your wife. With a stupid statement like that, it's likely you're also a racist, but I'll wait to throw that one out there until you blatantly offer up another hot take.

Now that we got the obligatory insults out of the way, did it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe, those boring runs (and I agree with you - they suck against stacked boxes.) are set up that way to A) prevent lost yardage (that's been Mario/Dawson's explanation) and B) to make it so when they do (rarely) go off script, it's that much more effective? Remember the Toney jet sweep against Louisville? Yeah, he was pretty much untouched. First time we ran that play in forever (<-- that's called hypebole btw). Did you see Fletcher score THREE touchdowns out of those runs on Saturday? Or any of his other runs? While this may seem like a defense of that scheme, it's not. I'm mentioning this to point out that it is actually possible to see the good and the bad in things - simultaneously. Saying "our run schemes are unimaginative and boring" or "we shouldn't run into stacked boxes" is very fair criticism. Just like it's fair to point out the other side. That's the part the Faction doesn't like....pointing out the good.

This isn't about futility, frustration or faulty run plays. This is about a faction of our fanbase (which you proudly are a part of) that carry around ridiculously unattainable expectations and are unhappy when those nearly impossible expectatoins aren't met. I've said countless times on this thread and others that I'm totally fine with criticizing the team, coaches, players, play calling, etc. You don't want to see that when you (and a few others) make over the top statements about "wasting possession after possesion" without acknowledging the rest of what occurred, it severely dilutes the message you're trying to send. That said, I'm pretty sure I wasted two paragraphs of my life with you because you're just a miserable person.

How's that for a...... jab?
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So we repeat the same stupid tactics(plays) to A) prevent lost yardage?

Hey, Jenius - it also PREVENTS gaining yardage.

Nothing like wasting valuable downs and then having all this 4th quarter drama.

And as you stated: B) - when we rarely go off script - those rare plays are more effective?

Yeah, you got the clot shots - sounds like you got every booster available as well.

How about NOT HAVING a "run up a middle" script - mix up the plays - use the entire field - and quit wasting our rather good talent?

One basic tenet of military tactics is - NEVER reinforce a bad attack. EVER. It's a waste of time and assets. Proven over thousands of years.

Never even crossed your mind - that your very points are so faulty as to be moronic.

You like name calling? Going forward - you got it - just remember you started it.

The Blue Whale has an (a nus) a**hole that can stretch up to 3.5' in diameter. It WAS the largest a**hole in the world - and then you came along.

Poor Blue Whale now relegated down to second place. Congratulations.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I would call you a dummy (again), but I don't need to. You showed the world all by yourself.
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And you revealed a lot about yourself. Low self esteem, a mouth looser than a San Francisco a**hole, and the ability to contrive points no sane, prudent, logical person could possibly make.

So me being tired of the 90% futile runs up the middle - suddenly makes me racist?

In what universe could anyone with any sense come up with that connection?

I think your self-esteem resides in a negative steady-state of existence. Your problem. As if you don't have enough already.

Here's the concept, slick. Strategy is how you approach the battlefield. Tactics are what you do ON the battlefield.

Tactics are successful feints. Show one thing, do another.

Consistently repeating the same approach - attack - is always counter productive.

It has been all the way back to 1479 BC.
 
Fzac75 said:
Now do the records of the top 5 teams the last few years….

Not claiming Mario is a HC savant. But its this lack of perspective that is truly infuriating. This is not to demand a level of excellence but that perspective is also needed.

Today’s college football landscape, for quite some time, nobody runs the table, ergo the elite teams will lose to inferior teams in the regular season. **** we have already seen two teams win the title game with 2 regular season losses on their record. This is the norm in a 12 game schedule. For God’s sakes two of our national title teams, when it was only an 11 game schedule lost a game in the regular season.

EVERY team will have a couple of mediocre performances, and when you play against a team that is average or decent or good, which Louisville is, odds are you will lose.

Let it play out.

Are we better off now than we were when Mario took over?
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Is Ukraine better off now than when Zelenski took over?
 
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UMFarArcher said:
Is Ukraine better off now than when Zelenski took over?
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UMFarArcher said:
So we repeat the same stupid tactics(plays) to A) prevent lost yardage?

Hey, Jenius - it also PREVENTS gaining yardage.

Nothing like wasting valuable downs and then having all this 4th quarter drama.

And as you stated: B) - when we rarely go off script - those rare plays are more effective?

Yeah, you got the clot shots - sounds like you got every booster available as well.

How about NOT HAVING a "run up a middle" script - mix up the plays - use the entire field - and quit wasting our rather good talent?

One basic tenet of military tactics is - NEVER reinforce a bad attack. EVER. It's a waste of time and assets. Proven over thousands of years.

Never even crossed your mind - that your very points are so faulty as to be moronic.

You like name calling? Going forward - you got it - just remember you started it.

The Blue Whale has an (a nus) a**hole that can stretch up to 3.5' in diameter. It WAS the largest a**hole in the world - and then you came along.

Poor Blue Whale now relegated down to second place. Congratulations.
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I started nothing. You are an unhappy moron. You attacked me from the rip with your first comment. I fired back. You cannot understand nuance. It's ok, you have your Faction Brotherhood to be angry right along with you.

If you want to insult me, at least make it funny or good. You're 0 for 2 so far. Clot shot? All that tells me is that you are a Jan 6 supporter (I don't care either way - it's a football board, not CNN vs FoxNews vs Internet Sleuths) and dumb for making that assumption. WhaleHole? I guess the second one has potential if someone with an IQ over 75 helped you. I'll spare you another wife insult because you don't have one. Now that I know just how dumb you are, I kinda feel bad for you. You don't even realize you are proving my point each time you double down.

Go Canes

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UMFarArcher said:
And you revealed a lot about yourself. Low self esteem, a mouth looser than a San Francisco a**hole, and the ability to contrive points no sane, prudent, logical person could possibly make.

So me being tired of the 90% futile runs up the middle - suddenly makes me racist?

In what universe could anyone with any sense come up with that connection?

I think your self-esteem resides in a negative steady-state of existence. Your problem. As if you don't have enough already.

Here's the concept, slick. Strategy is how you approach the battlefield. Tactics are what you do ON the battlefield.

Tactics are successful feints. Show one thing, do another.

Consistently repeating the same approach - attack - is always counter productive.

It has been all the way back to 1479 BC.
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Ok, we now know you're homophobe too... I'm just waiting for the obligatory angry veiled racist response and then you will have hit for the cycle on this thread.

Now it's 90% futile runs up the middle. Earlier it was all the runs. Which is it?
There are far more folks on this thread who agree with my take than don't. It's ok to not agree with the finer details. The main theme - some fans set unattainable goals then complain when we don't hit them - still remains true. When you come out of the gate like a scorched D-bag, name calling and insulting, no one will listen to what you're saying, even if you're right....which you're not, at least not about this.

Lastly, I'll leave the crayon eater comments alone because I have a lot of respect for the armed force and cops (that goes along with your clot shot comment, right?). However, have you considered that football and armed forces battlefields aren't really the same? I get the analagous nature of the two, but they are not one in the same.

If you served, thank you for your service (I know, weird comment given the arguing, but it's true - thank you). If you didn't, seek psychiatric help.

Have a nice day. I have a job to attend to now so I won't be as quick to respond.

Go Canes.
 
Gocanes1990 said:
Fair points amigo. This is a top 4-5 expensive roster in the country. We should expect more.

Mendoza is more athletic than Beck. And a steadier hand. Not saying he is a God but think he would give us more. We turned him down, supposedly it was Dawson. Mario is friends with his father. I was told His mom is ill. They wanted both kids home. It is what it is.

I hope we run more behind coop and Francis and less behind brockermeyer. He’s just gonna get killed vs above avg DTs.
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His mom has MS
 
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