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At least this way we can say, why go to Penn State (or wherever) and pay a state income tax on your merchandise royalties. Come to UM where there is no state tax.
 
ThomasM said:
Anything that ends the bag game is good with me. I always thought it was BS that teams sold jerseys of players and the players didn't get a cut. Then they "fix" it by simply not allowing them to be sold. A better idea is to sell the merch and let the players have a cut. Some kids flame out and never make it in the pros, so this income could really make a difference in their lives.
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Actually this just legitimizes the bag game. Multiple schools recruit Johnny. They each have boosters. Now the boosters can bid on the kid's "rights" and simply pay him. It is a bag, it is just above board. Then, of course, the kid is taxed on that income.

This outcome would allow the kid get to get bought/paid, the NCAA and its schools could redefine student-athlete to allow such (calling it something other than employment income or compensation), and then the NCAA and its schools could continue to use amateur student-athletes. Which means they still are not employed by schools.
 
1mg of Epi said:
The other market is the fan base, which we all know is relatively small at Miami. Miami is in a larger market, but do our ratings for a typical acc matchup beat UFs?
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You don't find it at all interesting that important Miami games blow out the ratings for ESPN, etc.? Why would you limit the conversation to "typical ACC matchups?" The reason an ND @ Miami game hits historic ratings is because people everywhere are more attracted to Miami and whatever the **** we do than the University of Florida. I'd guess most people with half a branding brain can turn that into merchandise with a broader reach than for a football team linked to the city of Gainesville.

I've interpreted your comments to fall in line with the small ball approach our athletic department and previous head football coaches have operated under. Play up Miami. Play up our brand. We have inherent advantages that far outweigh boosters and the population of a private school.
 
LuCane said:
You don't find it at all interesting that important Miami games blow out the ratings for ESPN, etc.? Why would you limit the conversation to "typical ACC matchups?" The reason an ND @ Miami game hits historic ratings is because people everywhere are more attracted to Miami and whatever the **** we do than the University of Florida. I'd guess most people with half a branding brain can turn that into merchandise with a broader reach than for a football team linked to the city of Gainesville.

I've interpreted your comments to fall in line with the small ball approach our athletic department and previous head football coaches have operated under. Play up Miami. Play up our brand. We have inherent advantages that far outweigh boosters and the population of a private school.
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Not at all. The comments are realistic. I mention an average ACC game because that is what the vast majority of games will be. Therefore, advertisers will will pay based on those numbers. Advertisers aren’t paying a kid to wear their gear based on ratings numbers that happen every couple years.

At the end of the day tho, I think the ratings between Florida schools would average out to be pretty similar. Therefore, kids contracts would likely be similar. Also, a large national brand will pay a kid to be a walking billboard regardless of whether he chooses um, FSU or OSU.

So how can a school offer a player a nicer pot? The player gets paid to endorse local businesses, and sells merchandise. That’s where the fan base and boosters come in.
 
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1mg of Epi said:
Not at all. The comments are realistic. I mention an average ACC game because that is what the vast majority of games will be. Therefore, advertisers will will pay based on those numbers. Advertisers aren’t paying a kid to wear their gear based on ratings numbers that happen every couple years.

At the end of the day tho, I think the ratings between Florida schools would average out to be pretty similar. Therefore, kids contracts would likely be similar. Also, a large national brand will pay a kid to be a walking billboard regardless of whether he chooses um, FSU or OSU.

So how can a school offer a player a nicer pot? The player gets paid to endorse local businesses, and sells merchandise. That’s where the fan base and boosters come in.
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Fair points, man. The issue I see with statements like "advertisers aren't paying a kid to wear their gear based on ratings numbers" is that it misses why I even mentioned ratings: Miami is a different place with a different type of stage when we're good. That's pretty enticing to a kid who thinks he can cash in on that limelight. It's all conjecture and we'd have to really dig on the specific numbers to project any kind of $ benefit. I think this could work to our benefit by simply being in a bigger market.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Miami doesn’t have the booster money or alumni base to compete with the elites or large state schools. If there’s going to be legal bidding wars, we will have a tough time competing.
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So we r fuqed regardless still.....guess the middle of the pack will always be TNM
 
LuCane said:
Fair points, man. The issue I see with statements like "advertisers aren't paying a kid to wear their gear based on ratings numbers" is that it misses why I even mentioned ratings: Miami is a different place with a different type of stage when we're good. That's pretty enticing to a kid who thinks he can cash in on that limelight. It's all conjecture and we'd have to really dig on the specific numbers to project any kind of $ benefit. I think this could work to our benefit by simply being in a bigger market.
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Maybe we could compare SEC vs ACC tv revenue to get an idea.., but I really think in terms of national advertising, Miami is in the same boat as the teams we recruit against. The differences probably even out in the end.
 
TheRichtShow said:
Miami does have a premier brand though, it's just been hidden behind a losing program recently. When we win were absolutely on the level of those programs, just look at the 2017 season before we crashed at the end.

We might not have the #students/alums or the 100K attendance, but Miami is a national brand and you can "further your brand" at Miami just as well as you can at most blueblood schools
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The brand had more to do with winning than anything. All kinds of people, frontrunners in particular, jumped on the brand because we were winning and didn't follow the normal routine doing so. We looked different doing it.

That generation is older now. Top programs dwarf us now. I used to see Miami gear all over the country wherever I went. That isn't the case anymore, but there's Bama, Clemson, OSU, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc everywhere I go.

Yes, we are recognizable, but nowhere near or close to what we used to be. It's rare I see anyone in Miami gear anymore.

As for the article, I haven't thought enough about all of the angles yet to have an opinion either way. Surface level, I think ot would be terrible for the game.
 
Just strictly on principle alone, I totally agree with adults being able to market themselves and make any money that they can possibly make as long as it’s done legitimately, which in this case, if done as ostensibly proposed, it would be.

My only caveat is I am concerned about the law of unintended consequences. When you have preeminent cheaters such as Alabama, do not be surprised if they somehow are able to game the system, just as they’ve gamed the current system, to make things go their way.

When you have literally unlimited funds at your beck and call, and slavish devotion from your fan base and your boosters, people who can keep their mouth shut, there are certainly possibilities where this could accrue to their disparate advantage.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Maybe we could compare SEC vs ACC tv revenue to get an idea.., but I really think in terms of national advertising, Miami is in the same boat as the teams we recruit against. The differences probably even out in the end.
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Aren't those numbers skewed based on ESPN's now supposed bad, overestimated bet on the SEC contract?
 
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LuCane said:
Aren't those numbers skewed based on ESPN's now supposed bad, overestimated bet on the SEC contract?
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ESPN is losing their shirt, but assuming they used the same math and multipliers to decide what sec vs acc payouts are, then I’d suspect we could still get an idea of total eyeballs watching sec vs acc games.
 
TheRichtShow said:
Yeah, that's true, but the guy introducing the bill says he's open to putting restrictions.

I'd assume if it passes (obviously unlikely) it will be amended some way to allow for athletes to take corporate/adverising profits, but not straight up booster/fanbase money
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Then Jimbob who owns the local pro shop will purchase 100k shirts to sell in his shop. Then some booster is going to walk in and purchase the whole lot from his store.
 
1mg of Epi said:
ESPN is losing their shirt, but assuming they used the same math and multipliers to decide what sec vs acc payouts are, then I’d suspect we could still get an idea of total eyeballs watching sec vs acc games.
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True. It seems like they made some really poor market assumptions for those [mostly] college towns.
 
I think it's opening another can of worms. The big money schools already circumvent the "system" to their advantage and would certainly find a way to make this another revenue stream.

Between football, school, and a lack of financial knowledge, how would an 18/19/20 year old manage his brand? Have a group of private sector managers that can be selected by a player to handle his interests? Just another level for corruption.

Anytime more money gets involved in any situation, the sharks start a feeding frenzy. The most likely to get eaten by the sharks are the players.

I'm not saying the players don't deserve some sort of compensation. I'm just not sure what's the best way to do.
 
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