The defense regressed badly since Al Golden’s Recruits Left

[puertorricane]

These players weren’t with manny long enough to develop bad habits, and as soon as Goldens vet players left the program the defense took a big dip. And if you notice, the longer Manny coaches these players the worse they become.

It’s night and day between Al Golden defensive recruits and Manny’s.

So they learned great habits from Donofrio?

 

[filmcane]

Im not forgiving him or saying he should be, but like poster above said, "He was his own worst enemy"

Get rid of No D and he may have saved his job

If he replaces Donuts with an aggressive DC and gives Fisch a raise, he is right up there with Jimbo’s Noles. It’s truly a **** shame.

 

[MikeCane18]

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

 

[miamiphd]

Im not forgiving him or saying he should be, but like poster above said, "He was his own worst enemy"

Get rid of No D and he may have saved his job

Interesting that even with a dismal w-l record, UM placed people from the Golden era in the NFL. Not all of them stuck, but some are still collecting NFL checks. My personal favorite is Feliciano in Buffalo, a great story of a guy from poverty making good. Even Chickillo, who was misused by the DC, spent significant time with the Steelers before retiring. With the talent on UM over the last decade, the team should have consistently ended the year in the top 15, and in some years in the top 10.

 

[CBurrr93]

“These players weren’t with manny long enough to develop bad habits”

Lmao. It’s becoming a contest to see who can have the most outrageous hot take.

Not sure how it’s a hot take. Manny just let’s the kids freelance. “Tackles for loss bro! Havoc plays bro!” “Total defense or some other BS bro!” Meanwhile Mack brown just ran another counter for 47 yards and no name QB just hit another 12 yard route over the middle

 

[cway313]

Now we're longing for the AL Golden days, lol.

Doesn't get funnier than this.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Al Golden had some big misses but overall, I think he excelled at evaluating talent.

Larry Hope, Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch, D'Mauri Jones, Jontavious Carter, Jelani Hamilton, Vernon Davis, Jake O'Donnell, Grey Crow, Loftus, Mahoney, Fines....

Golden might have been marginally better at evals. He wasn't good at them. He certainly didn't excel at them. He took too many kids who everyone who knew HS football in their area, basically knew weren't good.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Im not forgiving him or saying he should be, but like poster above said, "He was his own worst enemy"

Get rid of No D and he may have saved his job

Golden stunk. The idea people still think he could have been good without Dorito is close to impossible to process. It was Golden's D. His culture. His fail.

 

[919cane]

Golden stunk. The idea people still think he could have been good without Dorito is close to impossible to process. It was Golden's D. His culture. His fail.

This cannot be emphasized enough. Dorito was just running Folden's preferred Al Groh style 2-gap scheme.

 

[JD08]

Im not forgiving him or saying he should be, but like poster above said, "He was his own worst enemy"

Get rid of No D and he may have saved his job

And a better S&C guy because we were gassed in the fourth after jumping out to a big lead.

 

[JHallCanes]

Now we're longing for the AL Golden days, lol.

This

 

[The Svengali]

What are you talking about? Shaq and pick didn’t play a single snap under golden. Jaquan and redwine played 1 year under golden and 3 years under manny. You’re going to try telling me jaquan and redwine regressed under manny? Same with Mike Jack? Joe Jackson played all 3 years under manny. Harris played 2 under each and had his 2 best years under manny?

go look back on all the reaches or misses golden had.

Golden recruited them

 

[miamicanephins]

Doesn't get funnier than this.

It's f' sad isn't?

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Manny has coordinated the defense for 1 game with his recruits. And it was against a complete machine. I was very disappointed we couldn't make it a little more difficult last week, but this thread is pointless after 1 game.

If anything, his best year was 2018 when he had more of his (Richt's) recruits mixed with Golden's than 2016 or 2017.

If we can't stop anybody this year, we can have this discussion but it can't be had at least for a few more weeks.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

If he replaces Donuts with an aggressive DC and gives Fisch a raise, he is right up there with Jimbo’s Noles. It’s truly a **** shame.

Ikagine thinking Jedd Fisch deserved a raise

 

[Go Canes!!]

Not sure how it’s a hot take. Manny just let’s the kids freelance. “Tackles for loss bro! Havoc plays bro!” “Total defense or some other BS bro!” Meanwhile Mack brown just ran another counter for 47 yards and no name QB just hit another 12 yard route over the middle

That’s cause the entire point went right over your head

 

[GojiraCane]

And a better S&C guy because we were gassed in the fourth after jumping out to a big lead.

What about the constant quarterback looking around in confusion as the clock winds down, and then getting a delay of game penalty or Golden having to call timeout. And then have it happen again on the very next play!

 

[kyle_schick]

Those players were good evaluations and thrived going from Donofrios scheme to Diazs first year 4-3 scheme.

Diazs true scheme (4-2-5) has been completely scouted and proven to be fundamentally flawed.

Diaz also hasn't recruited or evaluated well. He has a roster full of under-performing defensive backs, and small under-performing linebackers who get labelled as strikers as an excuse for being unable to play their position.

Its not a coincidence that his best players are transfers.

Hopefully there's some true talent in the recent classes, but will we see them? Diaz prioritizes seniority over ability.

Diaz never played the game and he's trying to teach things now. That's why we see the gimmicks. Its a crutch to make up for lack of knowledge. They teach the "Hawk" rugby tackling which is why they don't tackle well, and bounced off Bama.

He brings in his "Nascar" package on third down which is easy to audible against.

He has "strikers" which again are just players who don't play any one position well enough.

He has defensive backs playing off while blitzing leading to open hot routes/quick throws.

He doesn't disguise or feint blitzes.

He created the chain and rings.

He has analysts measure the "spontaneous positive reaction to teammate success" resulting in players dancing on the sidelines in an Orwellian attempt to appease big brother into more playing time.

Everything's a gimmick because he doesn't know how to actually coach.

He has peaked in his career and when he finally does leave, it will be a fast, graceful exit to take a demotion to a job with no expectations.

 

[Salt]

Now we're longing for the AL Golden days, lol.

his down fall wasn't apparently recruiting, talent evals, or developing. Sticking with his friend at all costs was his down fall. That team he assembled Richt had at one point in the top 5 until the wheels fell off. And he went on to land an NFL job as an asst. coach which is more than I can say for his buddy.

But no, I am not longing for those days. I am just playing what ifs.

 

[Coach Macho]

Golden and Co did a **** job of evaluating talent too. There were plenty of head scratchers.
They're biggest issue schematically was the 3-4 two-gapping stuff.
Now we're the complete opposite, no gap integrity at all.