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The biggest difference between Miami and Michigan

Angry Ibis said:
You asked how is it not working.... my goal is winning football games... 7-5 is not working well enough...
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sorry I guess I thought it was an actual discussion on a topic related to what the team is doing / not doing well

if we're gonna just say "just win" on all points then there's no point in us talking about football until next year

you were saying how we run and pass matter and how we run and pass are working - other than the fact that TVD gave the ball to other teams at a hilariously bad rate in October


edit: this is what happens when I don't pay attention- I quoted the wrong person lmao

my point stands - even it's not to a real person
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Bingo.

The end around to George we haven’t seen all year basically. If you run inside zone 1000 times with no threat for TVD to keep it, what’s the point?

Parrish bounced outside and had success because no run defense respects our outside run game - no stretch plays, no counters, nothing.
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Miami runs counter, kick and wrap that's not an outside run play. If it was Miami not wrong-arming counter would make sense but it isn't so it doesn't. That's why counter works so well vs. Miami.

Mirabal likes the more wide zone look vs. outside zone. All the fan blocks and cut underneath stuff.

George had better be the focus of the offense, with a really well schooled 'similar type' player for when Mario gets JG's leg chopped off, or else!

Parrish's bounce worked bc if you run trips and motion to quads vs BC every cutback is open, they are idiots.
 
You bring up some very good points, D. I made this same point last week in a thread, that yes, Mario’s brand of football CAN win in 2023. The key is that in order for this brand to work though you need to play smart, intelligent football and not hurt yourself because there’s very little room for error with this style. For this identity to be truly successful there’s three important statistics, or elements, that need to take place: You need elite special teams play, you need to win the turnover margin, and you need to limit penalties. Now let’s look at Michigan in those categories…

Turnover margin: #1 in the nation
Fewest penalties: #3 in the nation
Net punting: #13 in the nation
FG kicker: Groza finalist and one of the best in the nation

There’s the blueprint right there. When you look at our turnovers and penalties this year it was awful, no way around it. We need to drastically improve in these key areas if we’re to ever reach our full potential.
 
DMoney said:
Physical, ball-control football still wins the games that matter. Miami tried to establish this culture all year. Our OL is actually better than Michigan’s right now- watch how the NFL draft plays out.

Yes, Michigan is the better team overall with the better defense and deeper NFL talent. But the difference should not be as stark as it is. What’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Game management.

Michigan is 5th nationally in fewest giveaways. Miami is 107th. And despite Michigan using a dozen different head coaches, they consistently make better decisions in crucial situations. They also had a smart quarterback who was at his best when his team needed a conversion.

You can’t be a physical, grind-it-out team if you consistently fail to manage the game. The reason Miami is 7-5 is because the coaches and quarterback did not consistently manage the game all season.
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The running games from Michigan and OSU look nothing like Miami's one slow developing run play Miami uses. And the big ten is suppose 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Michigan for the 3rd year in a row put up 30 on OSU. Their co-od's are creative and use all the pieces they have. TVD's decision making is mind boggling. Only took Dawson 11 games to throw a pass to the TE's thanks Brohm. Yes T.O.'s are killers but so is lack of red zone production. The lack of discipline at the end of the L'ville game is one of the biggest reasons Miami loses games.
 
Bender said:
I can only hope Mario saw the light a bit, cause the run game looked more like the early season and not the mid-season. Pass plays too.
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We changed our offense many times throughout the season. Ever since GT, we went ultra conservative even with our run game because we were ****y enough to believe we can bully them. It back fired to a degree. Hard to judge our passing game because TVD was horrific.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
You’re delusional lol. McCarthy better than Beck and Nix??? LOL.

You’re a Michigan fan. You literally admitted it. You’re going off rankings? No **** Michigan is ahead of them, they haven’t lost because they play in a watered-down garbage conference this year. What’s the best offense they’ve played, Ohio State? A team with a mid QB and barely hung 17 on ND? 20 on Penn State? 35 on Youngstown St?

Your logic implies FSU is better than Oregon.

Just wait and see. I’ll be bumping this in a few weeks should Oregon beat Washington and they get matched up. If you had to respond three times to my post at 2:45am, you seem emotionally touched.
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He's definitely Better then nix. Beck is pretty good and young so still tbd. I am not a Michigan fan lol. That is incorrect.
I just very familiar with the program.

I am a fan of the state of Michigan, it's a great state lol. Michigan would not lose to Oregon. The big ten is not a garbage conference, that's ridiculous. It's Better then the acc, and pac 12. That's a ridiculous statement it's the second biggest conference.

Fsu was better then Oregon with Travis.
Ok I'll be waiting, because there is no way in **** Oregon is beating Washington lmao. I'll bump this when Oregon loses to Washington.

The three posts aren't because of Michigan it's bc of your Tin foil hat conspiracy theory that Michigan wound lose to Oregon. They'd literally run it down Oregon's throat.

Ohio state is a really good team.
So is Michigan. They'd both boat race Oregon.
 
sharkindaawater said:
He's definitely Better then nix. Beck is pretty good and young so still tbd. I am not a Michigan fan lol. That is incorrect.
I just very familiar with the program.

I am a fan of the state of Michigan, it's a great state lol. Michigan would not lose to Oregon. The big ten is not a garbage conference, that's ridiculous. It's Better then the acc, and pac 12. That's a ridiculous statement it's the second biggest conference.

Fsu was better then Oregon with Travis.
Ok I'll be waiting, because there is no way in **** Oregon is beating Washington lmao. I'll bump this when Oregon loses to Washington.

The three posts aren't because of Michigan it's bc of your Tin foil hat conspiracy theory that Michigan wound lose to Oregon. They'd literally run it down Oregon's throat.

Ohio state is a really good team.
So is Michigan. They'd both boat race Oregon.
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We shall see next week.

Oregon is -9 against UW lol. There’s a reason why despite losing the early H2H at Washington.
 
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I've always used a not so "official" measurement for what is considered to be a "high powered offense". If you see offenses taking stabs at the end zone from 10-30 yards out and completing them because of scheme, that to me, is a high powered offense. Not like us, traditionally, that have to get down to the 2 yard line, try 3 times, hope for a penalty in our favor that gives us a fresh set of downs and the ball at the 1 and then two more tries to punch it in.

Watching most of the rivalry games yesterday. Dawson's offense from the TAMU, BC, and first half of UL, is plenty creative and balanced compared to the current top teams. Especially what we saw vs BC. We just need a QB that doesn't turn it over 3 times a game in the most crucial of moments.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
You bring up some very good points, D. I made this same point last week in a thread, that yes, Mario’s brand of football CAN win in 2023. The key is that in order for this brand to work though you need to play smart, intelligent football and not hurt yourself because there’s very little room for error with this style. For this identity to be truly successful there’s three important statistics, or elements, that need to take place: You need elite special teams play, you need to win the turnover margin, and you need to limit penalties. Now let’s look at Michigan in those categories…

Turnover margin: #1 in the nation
Fewest penalties: #3 in the nation
Net punting: #13 in the nation
FG kicker: Groza finalist and one of the best in the nation

There’s the blueprint right there. When you look at our turnovers and penalties this year it was awful, no way around it. We need to drastically improve in these key areas if we’re to ever reach our full potential.
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So the teams aren't really close when it comes to on-field product, just close in 'theory'
 
Nobody objects to having a dominant, physical OL that can bully people in the run game. What people object to are things like going goal line jumbo personnel and trying to run into a 10 man box on 3rd and a long 2 from the 40 yard line.
 
sharkindaawater said:
He's definitely Better then nix. Beck is pretty good and young so still tbd. I am not a Michigan fan lol. That is incorrect.
I just very familiar with the program.

I am a fan of the state of Michigan, it's a great state lol. Michigan would not lose to Oregon. The big ten is not a garbage conference, that's ridiculous. It's Better then the acc, and pac 12. That's a ridiculous statement it's the second biggest conference.

Fsu was better then Oregon with Travis.
Ok I'll be waiting, because there is no way in **** Oregon is beating Washington lmao. I'll bump this when Oregon loses to Washington.

The three posts aren't because of Michigan it's bc of your Tin foil hat conspiracy theory that Michigan wound lose to Oregon. They'd literally run it down Oregon's throat.

Ohio state is a really good team.
So is Michigan. They'd both boat race Oregon.
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FSU with Travis is better than Oregon?

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Cane4life18 said:
Take away TVDs 10ints in 4wks and we'd be discussing how we beat Michigan in 5weeks instead of the difference between us and Michigan. Smh
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Dawg, we'd get ******* smoked vs Michigan with or without TVDs 10ints in 4 weeks. Our DBs are not smart enough to keep their eyes out of the backfield and all year Michigan has suckered teams in and then hit a deep play.

And you wanna see Mario get ******* worked by a better coach and staff? Michigan would do exactly that.
 
nvlahos said:
Our HC and QB cost us 2-3 games because of game management and poor decision making

Mario really needs to soul search this offseason and we need a good QB

If those two things happen we’ll be headed in the right direction

If not we’ll maybe be 8-4 next year
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Name the 3 games the HC cost us? I will give you GT.

I can name more games TVD has cost us than Mario.

Such a stupid narrative about Mario. People just had a mob mentality when it's come this type of thing.
 
The reason we didnt get blown out in any game is ball control. We lost the games because of turnovers, stupid unforced turnovers alot of them. Dawson said something and i totally agree with him. He said years ago he had the fastest offense and they ranked top 5 or something in plays run, but then he would have a defense ranked 107. Is that not what we seen with Lincoln Riley? We can absolutely win alot of games with ball control. We cannot have a dumb hass QB, added to coaching blunders outa pee wee football. It is what it is
 
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