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We gotta salvage last year's class - guys like Chad Thomas, Trevor Darling, and Demetrius Jackson can be elite players.

I've already given up on the 2015 class. This thing drops off a cliff after a few players and its JAG city.
 
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I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

My two cents on Xs and Os:

From a historical perspective, I can tell you that we have been at the forefront on both sides of the ball. Schnellenberger brought us the most current offensive pro system at the time, when much of college football was stuck in antiquated 3 back option based systems. Jimmy converted us from a 52 to a 43. He developed quarters coverage as we know it today. Erickson brought us the one back offense. We have had innovators come through here and win championships.

Butch was able to understand what our formula for success was. He was not an innovator, but he knew how to build a program around a system that had worked for us in the past. There is no data showing that AG can build what he is trying to build. He's trying a formula that has never worked here, and he's failing at it. If he were an innovator, then we would be having a different conversation. The formula for success is not easy to come by. It's fragile and elusive.

It deserves its own thread, probably, but I'll say here what I discussed last night and just text'd with D$ about.

While I'm typically focused on what we're doing in Xs and Os, that's typically just a symptom of one common denominator of every successful Miami coach:

They all had a chip on their shoulder. They all coached and acted as if they had something to prove. As you outlined, whether it was proving their [innovative] system could work or their theory of how to identify talent and develop it, every single one was aggressive. And, it wasn't aggression as an answer to situations or trying to "prove" it in instances. It was at their cores. All of their decisions flowed from that chip/attitude. Good and bad results aside, kind of like a guy like Mike Dantonio.

Like D$ said, instead of that, we now act like we're trying to protect something. That's just not going to work down here. I said it at the beginning of the season at the end of a long post, "A program once built on the cutting edge of aggression now operates on fear."

I think you perfectly described the the personality of any innovator or trailblazer. It's innate. Its who they are. The team follows suit.

AG is just a survivor. He's a nervous worker. I think he has a ton of qualities, but he doesn't fit here. He never proclaims anything. He never postures. He's safe. Boring.
 
Golden was a failure here from day 1. There was simply no excuse for going 6-6 his first year with the talent on the team. No more of this "give the coach four years" bull****. The next guy better put up results within two years, or it'll be obvious he's not the guy.
 
I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.



Has Trent Harris ever rushed the passer, or is he just a coverage specialist for us?

Pillars bro. Pillars.
 
Miami has about 7 draft picks on this team. Most of them I believe will go in the first 4 rounds. To be 6-5 with this group, especially when you finally got the good QB play many have been using as an excuse, is just unacceptable and sad.

Think about this: This is Al Golden's most talented team ever and he's 6-5.

I think this explains Jimbo's quote to Al after the FSU game. What Jimbo meant was "this is the most talented team we have faced, how the **** did you F*** this up?"
 
DMoney wrote "The meat of this program should be South Florida ballers who may lack a measurable or two. The guys that go to Louisville and talk **** to our five-stars. Football players, not projects with good attitudes. If we had been stacking these guys for four years, this team would look much, much different."

Right! Our 3-stars have good attitudes, which is the opposite of what we need on the football field. Golden wants the pretty boys. But as Leo the Lip once said, "Nice guys finish last." Give me a 3-star OL-man who will shove his elbow into a DL-man's chin strap as punishment for touching our QB. Give me some DBs who think Targeting is the whole point of playing football. Football is a violent game. Coach should recruit those lesser athletes who play football because it offers a chance to act violently. The 4- and 5-stars are nice and necessary, but as UVA showed us, the not-so-nice guys win games.
 
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Didn't we get those south Florida 3 stars under the last regime? Yet the two coaches have identical records. The elephant in the room is the inability of either coach to maximize the talent that they had. Hard to avoid the coaching issue and leave it to other threads.
 
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I think it's more complex, but in the simplest sense we need a Canes type coach. Frankly what Golden landed in 2014 and what he has coming in is enough talent to be in the top 4 in 2016. This years freshman are going to make it easy to land a new HC. New guy comes into a great situation.
 
Are you saying we needs coaches from the midwest? The northeast style the south style and west style dont work here?.....

Howard midwest
Jimmy mid west
Butch midwest

You are an embarrassment, the only "style" Golden is coaching under is called garage, pathetic, incompetent, a joke.
 
UM needs a coach who can spot the football talent in addition to the athletic talent. Also needs a coach who can light a fire under the team's collective ***. And needs a coach who knows what he is doing on game day. Except for the athletic talent, Golden has failed on all three counts.
 
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where is CBC/wildcatdefense.

for YEARS I have said that the lack of S and C is a major MAJOR factor in why our players get better in the pros.

Bama players on the other hand bust in the NFL relative to their draft pick b/c they are FULLY developed. They are at their physical ceiling in college. This **** isnt rocket science. I claimed from day one that when AG retained Swasey it either meant that:

A) he had no authority to do so......which means the university higher ups care more about political connections and friendships more than actual ability

or

B) Golden didn't know what he was doing.

And I don't want to hear about how we are bigger. We are, but we are a slow team. We have Duke Johnson cramping up in the most important game of the last 4 years. We get owned in the second half of most games. Thats a poorly trained, poorly conditioned, physically underdeveloped team.

I also have been saying for a while that "an elite coach can win with the 2nd and 3rd tier south florida players". It's why hiring recruiters as your HC and coordinators is IDIOTIC here.
 
According to ESPN, Perryman and Dorsett were 3-stars. Which sort of reinforces my point. The are outstanding. Now, look at the 4-stars from 2011. Grooms and Grimble are gone. D. Crawford has been a trooper. The other 4-star is Chickillo. As much as I like D. Crawford, Perryman and Dorsett will probably go higher on draft day.
 
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