Talent

[bolivar]

I'm not mad at Coach Golden. I think he gave it an honest effort........he's just not the right guy for this job. I wish him well in the future. But, the Miami job is very unique. The head coach has to understand the Miami culture. While Golden is a great PR guy and did a good job of handling the negative press when he got here, it's time to put someone in charge that can take us to the next level..

 

[kennesaw_cane]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

I think this one single sentence sums up what the whole team and fanbase has felt since that loss to LSU in the Peach Bowl. That seems like the bottom of the mountain.

 

[Blitzed53]

DMoney just confirmed what i always thought, Im nausous right now

 

[Braziliangirl]

D, what do we do about all of this realistically? Is there money/resources for change? Is there an appetite for change at this point?

 

[LuCane]

D, what do we do about all of this realistically? Is there money/resources for change? Is there an appetite for change at this point?

Not D$. Yes, there are resources for a change. The second question is the issue.

 

[DMoney]

D, what do we do about all of this realistically? Is there money/resources for change? Is there an appetite for change at this point?

Not D$. Yes, there are resources for a change. The second question is the issue.

Yep. Wish I had valuable inside info on this but it would just be speculation.

My worst case scenario is an average class this year, another wasted Kaaya year and then a transition during the loaded 2016 recruiting season.

 

[Biscuits]

Oh, so we should stop blaming the players now???

 

[WestEndZone]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

My two cents on Xs and Os:

From a historical perspective, I can tell you that we have been at the forefront on both sides of the ball. Schnellenberger brought us the most current offensive pro system at the time, when much of college football was stuck in antiquated 3 back option based systems. Jimmy converted us from a 52 to a 43. He developed quarters coverage as we know it today. Erickson brought us the one back offense. We have had innovators come through here and win championships.

Butch was able to understand what our formula for success was. He was not an innovator, but he knew how to build a program around a system that had worked for us in the past. There is no data showing that AG can build what he is trying to build. He's trying a formula that has never worked here, and he's failing at it. If he were an innovator, then we would be having a different conversation. The formula for success is not easy to come by. It's fragile and elusive.

 

[kennesaw_cane]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

I think this one single sentence sums up what the whole team and fanbase has felt since that loss to LSU in the Peach Bowl. That seems like the bottom of the mountain.

 

[bolivar]

D, what do we do about all of this realistically? Is there money/resources for change? Is there an appetite for change at this point?

Not D$. Yes, there are resources for a change. The second question is the issue.

Yep. Wish I had valuable inside info on this but it would just be speculation.

My worst case scenario is an average class this year, another wasted Kaaya year and then a transition during the loaded 2016 recruiting season.

Maybe I can just hibernate for a year..

 

[ssj4cane]

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D, what do we do about all of this realistically? Is there money/resources for change? Is there an appetite for change at this point?

Not D$. Yes, there are resources for a change. The second question is the issue.

Yep. Wish I had valuable inside info on this but it would just be speculation.

My worst case scenario is an average class this year, another wasted Kaaya year and then a transition during the loaded 2016 recruiting season.

Which is what will happen if we hang on to Golden. Someone with some foresight needs to make the move.

 

[kennesaw_cane]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

My two cents on Xs and Os:

From a historical perspective, I can tell you that we have been at the forefront on both sides of the ball. Schnellenberger brought us the most current offensive pro system at the time, when much of college football was stuck in antiquated 3 back option based systems. Jimmy converted us from a 52 to a 43. He developed quarters coverage as we know it today. Erickson brought us the one back offense. We have had innovators come through here and win championships.

Butch was able to understand what our formula for success was. He was not an innovator, but he knew how to build a program around a system that had worked for us in the past. There is no data showing that AG can build what he is trying to build. He's trying a formula that has never worked here, and he's failing at it. If he were an innovator, then we would be having a different conversation. The formula for success is not easy to come by. It's fragile and elusive.

^^This is the Truth

 

[WestEndZone]

This dude is an innovator and an obsessive perfectionist.

[video=vimeo;28558418]http://vimeo.com/28558418[/video]

[video=vimeo;28565898]http://vimeo.com/28565898[/video]

 

[LuCane]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

My two cents on Xs and Os:

From a historical perspective, I can tell you that we have been at the forefront on both sides of the ball. Schnellenberger brought us the most current offensive pro system at the time, when much of college football was stuck in antiquated 3 back option based systems. Jimmy converted us from a 52 to a 43. He developed quarters coverage as we know it today. Erickson brought us the one back offense. We have had innovators come through here and win championships.

Butch was able to understand what our formula for success was. He was not an innovator, but he knew how to build a program around a system that had worked for us in the past. There is no data showing that AG can build what he is trying to build. He's trying a formula that has never worked here, and he's failing at it. If he were an innovator, then we would be having a different conversation. The formula for success is not easy to come by. It's fragile and elusive.

It deserves its own thread, probably, but I'll say here what I discussed last night and just text'd with D$ about.

While I'm typically focused on what we're doing in Xs and Os, that's typically just a symptom of one common denominator of every successful Miami coach:

They all had a chip on their shoulder. They all coached and acted as if they had something to prove. As you outlined, whether it was proving their [innovative] system could work or their theory of how to identify talent and develop it, every single one was aggressive. And, it wasn't aggression as an answer to situations or trying to "prove" it in instances. It was at their cores. All of their decisions flowed from that chip/attitude. Good and bad results aside, kind of like a guy like Mike Dantonio.

Like D$ said, instead of that, we now act like we're trying to protect something. That's just not going to work down here. I said it at the beginning of the season at the end of a long post, "A program once built on the cutting edge of aggression now operates on fear."

 

[WhatTheHell]

Miami has about 7 draft picks on this team. Most of them I believe will go in the first 4 rounds. To be 6-5 with this group, especially when you finally got the good QB play many have been using as an excuse, is just unacceptable and sad.

Think about this: This is Al Golden's most talented team ever and he's 6-5.

 

[cane305]

Say goodbye to your press credentials bro

 

[AUcane]

I think you're devaluing Xs and Os and coaching ability a bit, though. Those "ballers" pushing the 5 stars can't ball if they're not asked to do things that fit with their attributes.

Didn't mean to devalue it. Just left it for others to discuss who are better suited to do so than me. Obviously, it's the biggest difference between Miami and Alabama and the other elite programs.

Ya, I edited my post. I realize you couldn't touch on every single deficient facet.

I just think it needs to be emphasized more. We don't have to be Xs and Os wizards, but being on an even playing field would be helpful, to say the least. I've beat this one to death, but so much of that is just simple attitude/aggression. And, some people will come on here and say "hey, we're not THAT bad in Xs and Os and the kids need to make more plays." Partly true. Have you ever played on a team where you feel you're always climbing uphill? I feel that's where our guys are. Our talented players shouldn't look worse than Virginia's or Nebraska's talented players.

Has Trent Harris ever rushed the passer, or is he just a coverage specialist for us?

Harris has rushed a lot this season. He's a freshman so there's only so much one can expect.

As to D, hard to argue especially the notion that golden likes scouring the country for hidden gems when he should be looking in his back yard.

As for camps, he may not be able to evaluate, but camps under golden are infinitely better than they were under Coker and Shannon.

 

[DMoney]

As for camps, he may not be able to evaluate, but camps under golden are infinitely better than they were under Coker and Shannon.

They absolutely are, but like you said it hasn't resulted in him picking any good players. Hurns (who we got from Randy's last camp) is 100X better than anyone Golden has landed.

 

[NVA CANE]

Golden's biggest con job was the "cloud." He used it when it suited him to cover his failures. Too bad a large portion of the fan base believed him. Fire him now and salvage what you can of that 2012 recruiting class

 

[AUcane]

As for camps, he may not be able to evaluate, but camps under golden are infinitely better than they were under Coker and Shannon.

They absolutely are, but like you said it hasn't resulted in him picking any good players. Hurns (who we got from Randy's last camp) is 100X better than anyone Golden has landed.

True but at the end of the day, the building of that kind of infrastructure will go a long way for the next coach.