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Dwinstitles said:
When Diaz changed scheme he benefited from RJ mac. Dude was a terror. My favorite cane on that defense that year with MR. He was unblockable until Clemson
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I was a big fan of Gerald Willis the following year. Dude was mean and lived in the backfield all season. I was very surprised he wasn’t able to succeed at the NFL level.
 
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M3N said:
If winning 8 games isn’t that hard then we would have done more than 6x in the last 16 years. Wont win 8 this year unless a miracle happens. You to really look at the roster unbiased.


We have maybe what 2 actual linebackers in the team. Maybe 3-4 DB collectively between CBs and Safeties.

Maybe a couple DTs

8 wins is going to be hard to come by this season unless we average 35 a game
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I think the new DC is going to help a lot on that side of the ball. He seems legit and his scheme fits our talent. There are enough returners like Leonard Taylor and Kam Kitchens to look forward to. LB should be improved with Mariougoa and maybe some younger players Mario recruited can step up?

Also sorry, but isn’t TVD considered by many to be a future NFL QB? When was the last time we had a QB drafted? Better yet, when was the last time a Miami QB took a regular season snap in the NFL? It was Dorsey in 2008.

Listen, if we can’t beat Miami Ohio, Bethune Cookman, Temple, and go 5-4 against Texas A&M and 8 mediocre ACC teams with all these highly touted (and highly paid) recruits and transfers, Mario probably isn’t the guy to bring this program back to championship contention.
 
Super Mario Cristobigballs dgafuggalugga about Y1-Y3-ish results.

It is all the same season and rebuilding period to him. Y1 was as relevant to him as Spring Game.

We gunna be multiple bro.

We gunna be fyzical bro.

We gunna be POWER spread bro.

We gunna dominate up front bro.

Get used to it bro.
 
Bigdaddycane44 said:
A lot of people actually said the same crap about lack of talent when Golden was here. Defense had future NFL players Dion Bush, Artie Burns, Rayshawn Jenkins, AQ Muhammad, Gunter, and pro bowl LB Denzel Perryman. There are others I can’t name off the top of my head. 4/5 OL from the 2013 team ended up in the NFL. Pretty sure Brandon Linder made a few pro bowls. WR Allen Hurns was a pro bowler at one point too.

Those defenses fielded by Golden were historically bad statistically. Far worse than anything Randy or Manny fielded. Golden wasted a ton of talent. More than most people realized.
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Yes, we had good talent from those Golden yrs. However, Hurns not Linder ever made a pro bowl, but both had solid careers, particularly Linder.

On another note, I found it interesting that we were tied w/ the likes of Utah, Wisconsin, Cincy, Minnesota, UofL, ND, Old Dominion, BYU, TAMU, MSU, UK, & Iowa St for 30th in most draft picks drafted (3).

Here’s the kick to the nuts:

The draft class was composed primarily of recruits from the classes of 2018-2020 (there were very few from 2017 due to RS & Covid rules). Focusing on those aforementioned classes, this is what each school recruited as far as blue chips:

1. TAMU - 44
2. ND - 40
3. Miami - 39* (*includes transfer rankings: 32 HS + 7 TR)
4. UK - 14* (includes transfer rankings: 13 HS + 1 TR)
5. Wisconsin - 10
6. Utah - 9
7. MSU - 7
8. Minnesota - 6
9. Iowa St - 5* (includes transfer rankings: 4 HS + 1 TR)
10. UofL - 5
11. Cincy - 4
12. BYU - 1
13. OD - 0

Here’s the record from 2018-2022 for this group:
T-1. ND: 53-11 (.828)
T-1. Cincy: 53-11 (.828)
3. Utah: 43-18 (.705)
4. BYU: 43-21 (.671)
5. Minnesota: 39-20 (.661)
6. TAMU: 39-21 (.650)
7. UK: 40-23 (.634)
8. Wisc: 38-22 (.633)
9. Iowa St: 35-28 (.556)
10. MSU: 32-26 (.551)
11. Miami: 32-28 (.533)
12. UofL: 28-34 (.452)
13. OD: 14-35 (.286)

We signed the 3rd most blue chips during this span, but also had the 3rd worst record among the teams that had 3 draft picks in this draft. In total for the top 3 schools:
-Miami has had 7 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted (including transfers)
-TAMU has had 7 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted
-ND has had 6 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted

So why have we struggled so mightily? Part of of it is the quality of draft picks we’ve produced during that span:
-Two 1st rounds
-One 2nd round
-Two 5th round
-One 6th round
-One 7th round

The first round picks we produced both have something in common, only one year of production here. Both Notre Dame & TAMU have only produced one 1st round picks from those classes, but they also produced a couple more 2nd & 3rd round players, but more importantly, those players played more than one season at their respective schools. Two of our 3 top draft picks were transfers, & only one played more than one season.

We can easily point to the coaching b/c that’s true, but we’ve also been hit with unbelievable attrition from the classes of 2018-20. We haven’t been able to sustain continuity for chit. It’s why our incoming freshmen have been immediately been the best players or the one year rental transfers we’ve had.

Absolutely zero continuity from coaching personnel, scouting, S&C, etc. U name it & we’ve been one of the worst compared to other programs over the past 15 yrs.
 
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mirvin88 said:
Easy AF to get to 8 wins or more last season (or any season) without the WOAT staff. We’d beat A&M, MTSU and UNC to start with just a “good” OC.

Saying fans are delusional for that is dumb as ****.
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How did that work out for us within a few years. Very similar situations. Not similar with scholarship numbers. But we actually had more talent on that team than this last one. Quite a bit more.
 

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M3N said:
Beating a dead horse, but once again the NFL draft shows the lack of talent we have.

Illinois (x2)
Texas tech
Northwestern
Iowa State
Mississippi State
Pittsburg
TCU (x2)
Boston college
Maryland
Utah
Kansas State (x2)
Kentucky
Syracuse
Oregon State
Georgia Tech
North Dakota State
Michigan St
UCLA
SMU

All before Tyrique Stevenson in the 2nd round. And he transferred in here.

By the begging of the 5th round, many of the schools above had multiple players drafted. We have no more than 1…

The roster prior to Mario was at a group of 5 level maybe even worse.
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Lack of talent in the outgoing class. The 2019 class was weak when your exclude transfer portal players (Manny hit it aggressively on its first year). We lost a lot of commitments during the 2018 season, and when I look at the blue chip recruits:

Jeremiah Payton - transferred
Christian Williams - transferred
Keontra Smith - still on team
Avery Huff - transferred
Jahfari Harvey - still on team
Jason Blissett - medically retired
Te’Coury Couch - still on team

So 3 transferred, three are still on the team, and one suffered a career ending injury
 
Bigdaddycane44 said:
I think the new DC is going to help a lot on that side of the ball. He seems legit and his scheme fits our talent. There are enough returners like Leonard Taylor and Kam Kitchens to look forward to. LB should be improved with Mariougoa and maybe some younger players Mario recruited can step up?

Also sorry, but isn’t TVD considered by many to be a future NFL QB? When was the last time we had a QB drafted? Better yet, when was the last time a Miami QB took a regular season snap in the NFL? It was Dorsey in 2008.

Listen, if we can’t beat Miami Ohio, Bethune Cookman, Temple, and go 5-4 against Texas A&M and 8 mediocre ACC teams with all these highly touted (and highly paid) recruits and transfers, Mario probably isn’t the guy to bring this program back to championship contention.
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You know who the last QB was who we had that had the same type of hype? Far more actually... That would be Brad Kaaya. That's what some assclown reporters or fans assessment of some kids talent means. Jack ****. Cause where's brad Kaaya at now? He's working for his mom's holding up index cards at her restraunt that say BYE FELICIA. Y'all really gotta cut it out with all this over the top dramatics. Let kids & COACHES actually prove what they can do before you annointing them or **** on them. You know who has proven what he can do? With actual sustained results? That's the coach yall ungrateful *** fans keep ****ting on because in his first year even though he had a complete all star coaching staff things simply didn't work out. Do any of y'all take a second to say it wasn't Mario or gattis who was throwing **** pass after **** pass or dropping catch after catch? Wasn't Mario who threw two pick sizes inside the RedZone on the first two possessions against mtsu... That was y'all's self appointed golden boy who faked an injury and quit on his team who did that. So please y'all just slow down and let everyone have some time to turn around a horrible situation.... Cause that's what this was. A HORRIBLE situation.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Yes, we had good talent from those Golden yrs. However, Hurns not Linder ever made a pro bowl, but both had solid careers, particularly Linder.

On another note, I found it interesting that we were tied w/ the likes of Utah, Wisconsin, Cincy, Minnesota, UofL, ND, Old Dominion, BYU, TAMU, MSU, UK, & Iowa St for 30th in most draft picks drafted (3).

Here’s the kick to the nuts:

The draft class was composed primarily of recruits from the classes of 2018-2020 (there were very few from 2017 due to RS & Covid rules). Focusing on those aforementioned classes, this is what each school recruited as far as blue chips:

1. TAMU - 44
2. ND - 40
3. Miami - 39* (*includes transfer rankings: 32 HS + 7 TR)
4. UK - 14* (includes transfer rankings: 13 HS + 1 TR)
5. Wisconsin - 10
6. Utah - 9
7. MSU - 7
8. Minnesota - 6
9. Iowa St - 5* (includes transfer rankings: 4 HS + 1 TR)
10. UofL - 5
11. Cincy - 4
12. BYU - 1
13. OD - 0

Here’s the record from 2018-2022 for this group:
T-1. ND: 53-11 (.828)
T-1. Cincy: 53-11 (.828)
3. Utah: 43-18 (.705)
4. BYU: 43-21 (.671)
5. Minnesota: 39-20 (.661)
6. TAMU: 39-21 (.650)
7. UK: 40-23 (.634)
8. Wisc: 38-22 (.633)
9. Iowa St: 35-28 (.556)
10. MSU: 32-26 (.551)
11. Miami: 32-28 (.533)
12. UofL: 28-34 (.452)
13. OD: 14-35 (.286)

We signed the 3rd most blue chips during this span, but also had the 3rd worst record among the teams that had 3 draft picks in this draft. In total for the top 3 schools:
-Miami has had 7 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted (including transfers)
-TAMU has had 7 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted
-ND has had 6 players from their 2018-20 classes drafted

So why have we struggled so mightily? Part of of it is the quality of draft picks we’ve produced during that span:
-Two 1st rounds
-One 2nd round
-Two 5th round
-One 6th round
-One 7th round

The first round picks we produced both have something in common, only one year of production here. Both Notre Dame & TAMU have only produced one 1st round picks from those classes, but they also produced a couple more 2nd & 3rd round players, but more importantly, those players played more than one season at their respective schools. Two of our 3 top draft picks were transfers, & only one played more than one season.

We can easily point to the coaching b/c that’s true, but we’ve also been hit with unbelievable attrition from the classes of 2018-20. We haven’t been able to sustain continuity for chit. It’s why our incoming freshmen have been immediately been the best players or the one year rental transfers we’ve had.

Absolutely zero continuity from coaching personnel, scouting, S&C, etc. U name it & we’ve been one of the worst compared to other programs over the past 15 yrs.
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We’ve had three coaching staffs (with the resulting attrition and roster turnover that comes with it) during that time period 2018-2022. Notre Dame had one regime change (2022), A&M had none

If we’re going to refer to the 2018 class:

- Lingard: transferred
- Brevin Jordan - drafted
- Silvera - transferred
- Pope - transferred
- J Williams - transferred
- Al Blades - injured, transferred
- DJ Scaife - UFA (Dolphins)
- Hightower - transferred
- CamRon Harris - injured in season before draft, UFA
- Gurvan Hall - transferred
- Gilbert Frierson - transferred
- Will Mallory - drafted
- Cleveland Reed - transferred
- Marquez Ezzard - transferred
- DJ Ivey - drafted

That’s a catastrophically high number of players who transferred before their college careers came to an end. Many were gone before Mario even arrived.
 
Brooklyndee said:
You know who the last QB was who we had that had the same type of hype? Far more actually... That would be Brad Kaaya. That's what some assclown reporters or fans assessment of some kids talent means. Jack ****. Cause where's brad Kaaya at now? He's working for his mom's holding up index cards at her restraunt that say BYE FELICIA. Y'all really gotta cut it out with all this over the top dramatics. Let kids & COACHES actually prove what they can do before you annointing them or **** on them. You know who has proven what he can do? With actual sustained results? That's the coach yall ungrateful *** fans keep ****ting on because in his first year even though he had a complete all star coaching staff things simply didn't work out. Do any of y'all take a second to say it wasn't Mario or gattis who was throwing **** pass after **** pass or dropping catch after catch? Wasn't Mario who threw two pick sizes inside the RedZone on the first two possessions against mtsu... That was y'all's self appointed golden boy who faked an injury and quit on his team who did that. So please y'all just slow down and let everyone have some time to turn around a horrible situation.... Cause that's what this was. A HORRIBLE situation.
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So mario wanted a qb back that faked an injury and quit on the team huh? Lol right
 
Empirical Cane said:
Super Mario Cristobigballs dgafuggalugga about Y1-Y3-ish results.

It is all the same season and rebuilding period to him. Y1 was as relevant to him as Spring Game.

We gunna be multiple bro.

We gunna be fyzical bro.

We gunna be POWER spread bro.

We gunna dominate up front bro.

Get used to it bro.
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Miami using portal…while complaining about talent deficiency
 
E1k said:
So mario wanted a qb back that faked an injury and quit on the team huh? Lol right
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Bruh I wouldn't care what you believe. It's widely known that he overstated his injury. Y'all always wanna believe you know what goes on in these locker rooms. Y'all don't. It's not some simple perfect world. It's one catastrophe after another and constantly trying to make the best of a situation UNTIL everyone gets on the same page. Or atleast the same chapter.
 
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M3N said:
I love when people bring up this argument.

Outside of a a few players, MTSU, Duke, FSU, etc have more talent overall.

WE HAD A TEAM FULL OF SCRUBS!

Obviously Gattis didn’t help, but Vince Lombardi, Nick Saban, and Bear Bryant wouldn’t win these guys.

I’m not 100% sold on Mario, but people are really overestimating out talent.

8 win team? How many times have we won 8 or more in the last 20?
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A few players or not are you saying MTSU has more talent?
 
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Bigdaddycane44 said:
I think the new DC is going to help a lot on that side of the ball. He seems legit and his scheme fits our talent. There are enough returners like Leonard Taylor and Kam Kitchens to look forward to. LB should be improved with Mariougoa and maybe some younger players Mario recruited can step up?

Also sorry, but isn’t TVD considered by many to be a future NFL QB? When was the last time we had a QB drafted? Better yet, when was the last time a Miami QB took a regular season snap in the NFL? It was Dorsey in 2008.

Listen, if we can’t beat Miami Ohio, Bethune Cookman, Temple, and go 5-4 against Texas A&M and 8 mediocre ACC teams with all these highly touted (and highly paid) recruits and transfers, Mario probably isn’t the guy to bring this program back to championship contention.
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Brad Kaaya says hi
 
Brooklyndee said:
Bruh I wouldn't care what you believe. It's widely known that he overstated his injury. Y'all always wanna believe you know what goes on in these locker rooms. Y'all don't. It's not some simple perfect world. It's one catastrophe after another and constantly trying to make the best of a situation UNTIL everyone gets on the same page. Or atleast the same chapter.
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I also don’t care what u believe but that’s not the conversation. I think you’re just hating on the kid lol, if mario is building a culture why would he push to keep someone like that around? And if he overstated his injury why even comeback at all? Just sit the year and save yourself from everything lol these are wild accusations for an alumni to spill on a current player.
 
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