Statistical Look at OSU Defense

Indiana scored 13 points.

However, they did have the best statistical game that OSU gave up all year. 5.96 a play. Indiana has a better offense than we do, however. But they did have some success down the field. They couldn’t run the ball for ****. If we can keep the ball away from Downs and win some 50/50 balls we might be able to generate explosives. That was the whole point of this….how do we generate enough explosives to beat them? If we think we can do it with 13 points like Indiana, that’d be great too. I don’t think that happens, however. I think we need to push 20 to win. Can we get there? And if we can, how? Nobody else has hit 17.
Indiana had 118 yards rushing, even though its was 3.5 yards per carry it was 1 of only 3 times Ohio gave up 100. The other 2 being Texas, 166 and Michigan, 100. Who have 2 Dual threat QBs. We run for 3.5 per carry and keep at it. We can win a defensive struggle.
 
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Not sure if it’s already been discussed, but Patricia just said they are going to have some new stuff ready for this game up front. That doesn’t make me feel great.
 
Looking forward to the game day chat ****ting on dawson. Their defense is legit and I've watched most of their "good" games live. That RedZone defense is absurd.

We're going to have to come to play. Quick passes and a mix of the run game from TAMU and SMU (schematically). I 100% assume OSU sells out to stop duo and inside runs. They have the ability to do so in their bear fronts.

This isn't going to be easy. Dawsons gotta show something they haven't seen and Beck has to have one of his better games.
 
Not sure if it’s already been discussed, but Patricia just said they are going to have some new stuff ready for this game up front. That doesn’t make me feel great.
I don't like Dawsons ability to adjust in a situation where new things are being thrown at him.

Not trying to be negative, but let's see how it goes.
 
I don't like Dawsons ability to adjust in a situation where new things are being thrown at him.

Not trying to be negative, but let's see how it goes.
They are not going to let us run the ball. I expect man coverage all game, with an extra guy eying Toney. Beck is going to have to get the ball out quick to guys like Daniels. We got nothing to lose — take some one-on-one shots down the field.
 
They are not going to let us run the ball. I expect man coverage all game, with an extra guy eying Toney. Beck is going to have to get the ball out quick to guys like Daniels. We got nothing to lose — take some one-on-one shots down the field.
I will be surprised if Day let's Patricia play a ton of man on early downs. I assume he remembers what happened the last time his DC tried that against Mario.
 
I will be surprised if Day let's Patricia play a ton of man on early downs. I assume he remembers what happened the last time his DC tried that against Mario.
They aren’t worried about our personnel. They are arrogant enough to think our WRs, outside of Toney, can’t get open consistently against their back end. And they might be right about that.

But they do respect our OL and running game. So what would most DCs do in this situation? Load the box and dare Beck to go vertical against press man coverage.
 
They aren’t worried about our personnel. They are arrogant enough to think our WRs, outside of Toney, can’t get open consistently against their back end. And they might be right about that.

But they do respect our OL and running game. So what would most DCs do in this situation? Load the box and dare Beck to go vertical against press man coverage.
Agree they are going to stack the box (I expect them to show a lot of bear fronts to get #98 on Brockermeyer 1on1, or force us to block an edge with a TE if we double him). I just don't expect them to show straight man pre-snap on early downs, having guys travel with Toney and the TEs when they're in motion. That's how they got slaughtered in the run game against Oregon in '21.
 
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As many of us have been saying, IMO this game really comes down to Dawson/Beck vs Patricia and our offense versus their defense. I think we have an advantage on the other side of the ball, when our defense is on the field versus their offense, or it's at very worst a wash.

But when their defense is on the field versus our offense, IMO we have a massive challenge and whether or not we can actually move the ball and score points will dictate whether or not we win (no ****). So, where does their defense stack up? What does it excel at, and where can it be "attacked".

Spoiler alert, this isn't pretty. IMO this is the best defense in America, yes including Texas Tech, and is BY FAR the best, most talented, most physically imposing, and well coached defense we've seen all season. It's not even close.

Starting with the obvious, scoring defense, they are #1 in America. 8.8 points per game allowed. For context, the best full-season number for any school in the past 10 years is 10.4 for Michigan in 2023 (won the natty) and 10.4 also for UGA in 2021 (won the natty). This year's OSU team is 1.6 points better than both those defenses. Utterly insane. The Miami defense has been unreal this year...we give up 13.8 PPG, so they are a full 5 points better. They have given up TEN touchdowns in 12 games LOL.

So, how do they give up such a low number of points? Well, they start by giving up almost no explosive plays. In 12 games, they have surrendered a TOTAL of 84 plays that went for 10+ yards. Almost hard to comprehend. Miami gave up 124 such plays. OSU has faced 649 plays on defense this year....and 84 of them have gained 10+ yards. That's 13%. So basically, when you line up against them, for every 10 plays you run, you can expect ONE to go for 10+ yards. Almost comical. Within those 84 plays, only 56 of them have been through the air. So they are #1 in the country by a mile in 10+ yard passes allowed, 20+ yard passes allowed, and 30+ yard passes allowed. You simply cannot generate explosives on them, especially through the air. On the ground, they drop all the way to 4th in 10+ yard carries, 13th in 20+ yard carries, and 13th in 30+ yard carries. Yes, that was a joke, these numbers are still insane.

Alright, so they give up no explosives. But in the event you do get a few, can you get into the endzone. Well, they're insane there too. They've only allowed 23 redzone trips all season, which is great but it's #3 in America (Texas Tech and Indiana allowed fewer, Miami was 5th with 26). But once you get there, you can't score. They only allowed 8 TDs in the redzone all season, and that 34% TD rate is usually far and away #1 in a given year, but this year Indiana is actually even better.

So they give up no explosives. In the event you go get into the redzone, which happens less than twice a game, you can't score. But are you more likely to have success running or throwing? Well, neither, but let's look at the numbers in each specific area.

They are #4 in America in yards per carry allowed. Think, the Miami run defense, maybe a little better. That's who they are. Just a complete brick wall. They only average giving up 83.6 yards per game on the ground. But they go it more at the LOS...they are only 65th in TFLs. So they don't shoot gaps and penetrate and put you behind the sticks a lot, but what they do is completely suffocate you at the LOS and you might get 1 or 2 yards, but you're not getting 5 very often. It's kind of the opposite of A&M, who is #2 in TFLs, and even our defense, which is 18th. They are fine just standing your linemen up at the point of attack, filling gaps with their backers, and making it 2nd and 8 all day long.

In the air, this is where it gets really scary. They give up the fewest passing yards per game by a mile....133.8, the next best team is 15 yards behind. 133.8 for an entire season would be the best of the past decade by a long, long way. It's simply the best passing defense anyone has been on the field in well over 10 years. If you want a hint of optimism, they have only intercepted 7 passes all year, and they do allow 60.5% completions, which is 48th in the country. But the passes just don't go anywhere...you complete 60.5% of your throws but only for 5.5 yards per attempt. That means there is NOTHING down the field, and your pass catchers get swallowed as soon as they catch the ball.

So, what the **** does our offense do? Well, first is visit the nearest place of worship, and pray. Second is, perhaps try to attack in the short passing game. As I mentioned, you can complete some balls on them. They don't sack the QB very much (25th in the country), and you can complete 60+ percent. This is where Beck excels. We're likely not going to generate explosives down the field, literally no one has. So find a weak link (good luck) in the secondary, and see if you can get some choice routes in the middle of the field where you can complete a ball and slip a tackle. The tight ends in the seam need to have a big week. We're just not going to win much on the outside or anywhere near Downs. Also, as you'd expect, they're excellent on 3rd downs. 6th in the country. We just got embarrassed on 3rd down against the #1 3rd down defense in the country last week. Find a way to stay out of 3rd and long. If we can live in 3rd and 4 range, I think Beck can find enough time in the pocket to complete short passes for first downs. We catch the ball well, and Beck is incredibly accurate. When we do run it, we gotta get into the B and C gaps and away from McDonald. But honestly, I don't expect a ton in the run game. If we can get to 4 yards a carry, that's probably a massive win and takes some pressure off Beck.

Lastly, Dawson needs to be at his creative best in the redzone.
We're probably only going to get 2-3 trips down there the whole game. When we do, we have to find a way to get 7's and not 3's. But make no mistake, this is by far the biggest challenge we've faced to date. IMO this game is a race to 20. Can we get to 20 on them without massive help? Turnovers, special teams, etc. I doubt it, but that's why we play the games. Time for Dawson and Beck to earn their paychecks. Give me 20 on offense and I think we can do this **** thing.


Great write up. That **** is depressing to read. Despite their accolades, they can still get ****ed ala Lamar Miller:





Against all odds... Let's ******* go!!!
 
"If we think we can do it with 13 points like Indiana, that’d be great too. I don’t think that happens, however."

Ah, gotcha. No, I don’t think their defense is better, but I don’t think you can really bank on winning games scoring 13 points, either. I don’t think we hold them to only 10. I think that game in Indy was an anomaly. I actually bet a decent amount on Indiana with the thought process being they’d have an emotional let down the week after finally beating Michigan. Thankfully I was right. I wouldn’t bank on that again. We’ll need 20 to win. Would love to be wrong.
 
Way too many scared canes fans. If team stats were all that mattered, we wouldn’t ever bother playing the games. It probably won’t be easy and there’s no guarantee we win, but enough with the doom and gloom before the game has even been played. You can recognize OSU is a great team without throwing in the towel just yet.
 
Ah, gotcha. No, I don’t think their defense is better, but I don’t think you can really bank on winning games scoring 13 points, either. I don’t think we hold them to only 10. I think that game in Indy was an anomaly. I actually bet a decent amount on Indiana with the thought process being they’d have an emotional let down the week after finally beating Michigan. Thankfully I was right. I wouldn’t bank on that again. We’ll need 20 to win. Would love to be wrong.
Obviously I'd like to score more points, but I do think this defense is special and can step up. They also haven't played in almost a month, last year that didn't bode well for the bye teams.

I think this is going to be a low scoring, defensive dominant game just like A&M and just like them playing Indiana. We just need to make something happen. Need at least 1 TD and some kicks that actually land, 2 TDs I would be ecstatic. I think we can do it if Dawson heavily uses Toney as a decoy almost exclusively until they stop biting, and at least one other WR takes a leap in a major way. But I def don't see their offense catching fire and scoring 3 TDs against us.
 
Way too many scared canes fans. If team stats were all that mattered, we wouldn’t ever bother playing the games. It probably won’t be easy and there’s no guarantee we win, but enough with the doom and gloom before the game has even been played. You can recognize OSU is a great team without throwing in the towel just yet.

Never understood this. Where is there any doom and gloom? Where have I, or anyone else, said don’t play the game and we can’t win? It’s just a look at an opponent. Be an adult. You’re allowed to recognize what you’re doing is a challenge while also being confident you can conquer it.
 
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The best case scenario is that we get a defensive score.

The next-best scenario is that the defense gives us a couple of short fields via turnovers and the offense gets points.

The offense can't make any mistakes. We cannot miss a field goal. There won't be many chances.

We're not going to "open it up," "let it rip," or "test them deep," like some seem to suggest. That won't work. No one does it to them effectively.

The defense has to play lights out and the offense has to take advantage of the minimal opportunities they are given.

All that said, we can win. Like A&M, they ain't faced two lines like this in a game all year. Our physiciality will keep us in it. And our guys seem to rise to the big occasion.

No fear. Just do it. Go Canes.
 
What’s the comp level for offenses OSU has played?
I was taking a look through some box scores and the level of QB competition they've faced. I already posted above that Mendoza, Demond Williams & Luke Altmeyer had a little success against them (relatively speaking).

Here are the other QBs they faced:

Parker Navarro, Ohio (Decent MAC qb but come on) - 6/13, 94, 1/0
Drake Lindsay, Minnesota - 15/26, 94, 0/0
H. Simmons, Wisconsin (3rd sting guy after they lost billy edwards jr for season and backup danny oneil went out early in this game) - 6/12, 54, 0/1
Grunkemeyer, PSU - (2nd game after Allar went down) - 19/28, 145, 0/1
Luke Duncan, UCLA (backup, 1st game Nico missed) - 16/23, 154, 1/0
Ryan Browne, Purdue - 10/19. 76, 0/1 (season stats: 58.9%, 2153 yards, 9 TD, 10 INT)
Kaliakmanis, Rutgers - 10/20, 81, 0/0
Underwood, Mich - 8/18, 63, 0/0

So they played 3 backups making their 1st or 2nd start, and a couple tomato cans.

Yes, they held a few B1G starters to awful games. Underwood, the Greek Rifle at Rutgers, Drake Lindsay lol.

This is not a murder's row. They haven't faced an offense like Miami aside from Indiana, who beat them, and Texas in Arch's first start. And while Arch progressed as the season went along, he stunk early on.

This is a cupcake schedule. I say it again. **** this team.
 
Ah, gotcha. No, I don’t think their defense is better, but I don’t think you can really bank on winning games scoring 13 points, either. I don’t think we hold them to only 10. I think that game in Indy was an anomaly. I actually bet a decent amount on Indiana with the thought process being they’d have an emotional let down the week after finally beating Michigan. Thankfully I was right. I wouldn’t bank on that again. We’ll need 20 to win. Would love to be wrong.
great write up as usual. Question, how many OSU games have you watched this season?
 
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