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Memnon said:
Not really.

He had spectacular numbers at Incarnate Word as well. He was always great & has always been great.

The 2026 draft will show you exactly how great he is. The vaunted OL & physical run game you keep alluding to is not going to get drafted as high as you suspect & yes that includes Mauigoa.

Your boy Fletcher will be lucky if he's even a 6th rounder at best.
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I know he’s great. And I don’t think he got much better.

But his team offensive numbers went from average (with Wazzu) to best in the nation here. So did his individual efficiency and draft stock.

The obvious explanation is that he had better players here. Specifically, a better OL and run game.

If there is a better explanation than that obvious one, I’m all ears.
 
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Memnon said:
Not really.

He had spectacular numbers at Incarnate Word as well. He was always great & has always been great.

The 2026 draft will show you exactly how great he is. The vaunted OL & physical run game you keep alluding to is not going to get drafted as high as you suspect & yes that includes Mauigoa.

Your boy Fletcher will be lucky if he's even a 6th rounder at best.
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Awkward The Office GIF

So is our team actually shxt
 
FM is a day 2
Memnon said:
Not really.

He had spectacular numbers at Incarnate Word as well. He was always great & has always been great.

The 2026 draft will show you exactly how great he is. The vaunted OL & physical run game you keep alluding to is not going to get drafted as high as you suspect & yes that includes Mauigoa.

Your boy Fletcher will be lucky if he's even a 6th rounder at best.
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Without looking at who’s potentially available, I’d peg FM as a late day 1/day 2 guy. Where do you project him ?
 
DMoney said:
What did the NFL think of Cam before he came to Miami?
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2nd rounder.

But if all the credit goes to his supporting cast & not his God given ability, combined with his work ethic, then that supporting cast should also be reflected in that same measure.

A 5th round OL, & 7th round RB is the reason he's the #1 pick.

Then that means Beck should follow suit & be a #1 pick next year as well.

I'd bet money he's not, despite allegedly having a better OL & Run game...
 
For as bad as everyone wants to say Georgia’s offense was around Beck last year, here was their offensive draft. We don’t have this at all for next year.

OG- Ratledge, R2, 57
OG - Fairchild, R3, 81
C - Wilson, R3, 95
WR - Smith, R4, 110
RB, Ettiene, R4, 114
WR, Lovett, R7, 244

The Bobo Effect is real, but do we have 3 top 100 OL? Do we have 5 top 150 players on our offense next year? Apparently that’s not enough for Beck to be a R1 at UGA…so we need more than that tbh.
 
Memnon said:
2nd rounder.

But if all the credit goes to his supporting cast & not his God given ability, combined with his work ethic, then that supporting cast should also be reflected in that same measure.

A 5th round OL, & 7th round RB is the reason he's the #1 pick.

Then that means Beck should follow suit & be a #1 pick next year as well.

I'd bet money he's not, despite allegedly having a better OL & Run game...
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Widely reported that Cam was a Day 3 pick.

Cam went 1/1 because he’s the best player, individually. But his team stats got a lot better here, his own stats got a lot better here, and his draft stock got a lot better here. That’s indisputable.

Common sense says that either (1) he got a lot better; or (2) the team around him got a lot better. I think it’s the second one.
 
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DMoney said:
Widely reported that Cam was a Day 3 pick.

Cam went 1/1 because he’s the best player, individually. But his team stats got a lot better here, his own stats got a lot better here, and his draft stock got a lot better here. That’s indisputable.

Common sense says that either (1) he got a lot better; or (2) the team around him got a lot better. I think it’s the second one.
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If it's the second one, who were these players that elevated Cam & how come they weren't also drafted high?

If you're a GM & you're evaluating Cam, how do you not notice all the talent around him?
 
Memnon said:
Not really.

He had spectacular numbers at Incarnate Word as well. He was always great & has always been great.

The 2026 draft will show you exactly how great he is. The vaunted OL & physical run game you keep alluding to is not going to get drafted as high as you suspect & yes that includes Mauigoa.

Your boy Fletcher will be lucky if he's even a 6th rounder at best.
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You know they can be great college OL and suck in the NFL. Clemson has proven that over at least 10 years
 
I don't think you can reasonably take the draft order as evidence that Cam Ward didn't have a strong supporting cast last year. All else being equal, draft grade/order is a good heuristic for performance-- but more then anything it's about projection and evaluation of traits, especially once you leave the top half of the first round.

Jalen Rivers doesn't have the measureables of a first round NFL OT, but he was an excellent college OT. You can go down the list of key contributors and play this game.

Cam absolutely elevated the team (as great QBs should), but it wasn't a one-way street.
 
TriStarCane said:
For as bad as everyone wants to say Georgia’s offense was around Beck last year, here was their offensive draft. We don’t have this at all for next year.

AND- Ratledge, R2, 57
OG - Fairchild, R3, 81
C - Wilson, R3, 95
WR - Smith, R4, 110
RB, Ettiene, R4, 114
WR, Lovett, R7, 244

The Bobo Effect is real, but do we have 3 top 100 OL? Do we have 5 top 150 players on our offense next year? Apparently that’s not enough for Beck to be a R1 at UGA…so we need more than that tbh.
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We have enough. Markel Bell is a bonafide 1st rounder, Francis is going top 5, and Anez is a day 2 pick. JoJo has just as much talent as R Williams, J Smith, Wingo, etc and will have a big year. Fletcher has the talent to be similar to Etienne. CJ is better than Lovett and will be an early day 3 guy:rolleyes:
 
Memnon said:
If it's the second one, who were these players that elevated Cam & how come they weren't also drafted high?

If you're a GM & you're evaluating Cam, how do you not notice all the talent around him?
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Some were drafted, some were better college players than pros (like Restrepo), many haven’t even gone pro yet.

I’ll keep going back to the obvious question: why was Cam’s offense (and draft stock) average at Wazzu, yet #1 by a mile at Miami?

We agree that Cam has always been that guy. So what changed around him?
 
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Fart Keyhole said:
I don't think you can reasonably take the draft order as evidence that Cam Ward didn't have a strong supporting cast last year. All else being equal, draft grade/order is a good heuristic for performance-- but more then anything it's about projection and evaluation of traits, especially once you leave the top half of the first round.

Jalen Rivers doesn't have the measureables of a first round NFL OT, but he was an excellent college OT. You can go down the list of key contributors and play this game.

Cam absolutely elevated the team (as great QBs should), but it wasn't a one-way street.
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When you say measurables, do you mean athletic profile, or are you talking about physical profile?







Because physically, he's bigger than Armand Membou, Kelvin Banks, Donovan Jackson & Josh Conerly. While also being the same size as Will Campbell & Grey Zabel, with much longer arms than both of them.
 
Memnon said:
When you say measurables, do you mean athletic profile, or are you talking about physical profile?







Because physically, he's bigger than Armand Membou, Kelvin Banks, Donovan Jackson & Josh Conerly. While also being the same size as Will Campbell & Grey Zabel, with much longer arms than both of them.
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And it’s almost like the rankings got it right for him out of high school?

He was never a project, always had the physical traits and ability


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DMoney said:
Some were drafted, some were better college players than pros (like Restrepo), many haven’t even gone pro yet.

I’ll keep going back to the obvious question: why was Cam’s offense (and draft stock) average at Wazzu, yet #1 by a mile at Miami?

We agree that Cam has always been that guy. So what changed around him?
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The only thing that changed around him was the elevation on competition he faced & his self-evaluating to make improvements to his game overall.

Cam would've gotten drafted had he stayed at Incarnate Word, because he's that good.

He got more eyes on him at Miami because more pro scouts pay attention to high profile teams in the South, but even so still it was clear he was an NFL player from the moment he stepped on the field, whether in San Antonio, Pullman, or Miami.

When Cam entered the Portal for the 1st time from IW, he was the most highly sought after QB on the market. He went to Wash ST out of loyalty to Eric Morris who was the first one who took a chance on him, so he followed him to Wash ST. But he had high suitors all around P5 Football at that time. Ole Miss, USC, FSU, Texas, TTech, Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU & whole host of others were all interested.

The idea that Cam was a byproduct of Miami is definitely a good company line to push, but it's not reality.

We'll revisit this discussion for next year's draft & we'll see exactly how it plays out.
 
Memnon said:
The only thing that changed around him was the elevation on competition he faced & his self-evaluating to make improvements to his game overall.
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He faced better competition than Oregon and Washington? I don’t see a huge difference between the Pac 12 last year and the ACC this year.

And if it’s all Cam’s personal improvement (which I disagree with), how much credit does Miami get for that?

We are talking a leap from Day 3 to 1/1, and a leap from 28 PPG to 43 PPG. Again, common sense says that had something to do with the players around him in addition to his own ability (which has always been great).
 
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