Someone Who Knows Things

[Calinative]

2nd rounder.

But if all the credit goes to his supporting cast & not his God given ability, combined with his work ethic, then that supporting cast should also be reflected in that same measure.

A 5th round OL, & 7th round RB is the reason he's the #1 pick.

Then that means Beck should follow suit & be a #1 pick next year as well.

I'd bet money he's not, despite allegedly having a better OL & Run game...

Why do you keep acting like 100% credit has to go to one or the other? lol. Like this is obvious. Cam was Elite. He also had a great offense surrounding him. Some of which are good NFL prospects, some aren't. Some of those weapons performed without Cam AND then even better with him. Cam performed without our weapons, but the results weren't as good. They came together and we had the #1 offense in the country. Instead of trying to tear down every other player on the team in the attempt to praise Cam, how bout everyone share in the praise lol. I guess nobody else had God given ability combined with great work ethic on this offense then, right? lol. It only matters if you're an elite player day 1/2 pick?

Idk why we have to pretend if you're not a top draft pick then you can't be a great college player. There are plenty of top college players that aren't drafted, or drafted really low. How many Heisman winners do we need for evidence? How many All-American and All-Conference players that go undrafted are there? How many completely **** college players get drafted? Cam elevated our guys, and because we had good players already and a good OC it elevated Cam too. Also if you have a bunch of GOOD players, and they all come together the result can absolutely be great. It doesn't take a roster full of elite players to be successful.

All yall made jokes over and over about Mario and how he was a cave man who only ran a fyzical offense, yet HE went and secured Cam, and because of His relentless pursuit, it pushed Cam to return and in doing so he significantly raised his draft stock. The idea Cam would have been a 2nd rounder if he was in the draft last year is laughable. He, his family, and the Wazzu coaches didn't believe that, or he would have never returned to college. He came back and made the correct decision. Yall will do anything to act like Mario was basically worthless in the whole operation and that all our players suck and we have no shot at being good again.... It's like my nephews who say 95% of everything is trash except for the 5% that is elite....

 

[DMoney]

For as bad as everyone wants to say Georgia’s offense was around Beck last year, here was their offensive draft. We don’t have this at all for next year.

OG- Ratledge, R2, 57
OG - Fairchild, R3, 81
C - Wilson, R3, 95
WR - Smith, R4, 110
RB, Ettiene, R4, 114
WR, Lovett, R7, 244

The Bobo Effect is real, but do we have 3 top 100 OL? Do we have 5 top 150 players on our offense next year? Apparently that’s not enough for Beck to be a R1 at UGA…so we need more than that tbh.

The Georgia stuff is interesting.

Put Beck aside- why was their running game so bad (102nd in YPG, 84th in YPC) with three Day 2 linemen and a 4th round back?

Not sure if it’s Bobo, the players underachieving, the players being overdrafted because of the logo, or a combination of all three.

 

[Memnon]

Ohhh I see why this narrative has to be pushed now.

Nevermind fellas, carry on.

 

[skeeter]

2nd rounder.

Where did you hear this? He would have been out the door if he got a 2nd rd. grade.

 

[Calinative]

Ohhh I see why this narrative has to be pushed now.

Nevermind fellas, carry on.

Probably because you love Cam and don't like our HC and really dislike Beck....

 

[CANESCANES]

The Georgia stuff is interesting.

Put Beck aside- why was their running game so bad (102nd in YPG, 84th in YPC) with three Day 2 linemen and a 4th round back?

Not sure if it’s Bobo, the players underachieving, the players being overdrafted because of the logo, or a combination of all three.

Injuries played a key role

The Georgia offensive line has become an issue. How did we get here?

ATHENS — One of the key pillars of the Georgia program under Kirby Smart has been elite offensive line play. The Bulldogs have regularly been finalists for the Joe Moore Award and have become an assembly line for the NFL at the position.

www.dawgnation.com

 

[skeeter]

Widely reported that Cam was a Day 3 pick.

This

 

[Calinative]

The Georgia stuff is interesting.

Put Beck aside- why was their running game so bad (102nd in YPG, 84th in YPC) with three Day 2 linemen and a 4th round back?

Not sure if it’s Bobo, the players underachieving, the players being overdrafted because of the logo, or a combination of all three.

The 3 interior Olineman all graded as pretty great athletes who all have great size. Well especially Ratledge and Wilson. Fairchild a little less. But elite size and athleticism can get guys drafted much higher than their on-field paly. Smith we know is a great athlete who is fast but can't catch. Etienne is a good athlete and RB.. Idk why they couldn't run well with that. I imagine they have massive OTs who are elite athletes as well.... Maybe it's bobo. @Memnon would say its cause Beck sucks so defenses didn't fear the pass game so committed to stopping the run. And that's why Cam worked for us and why our run game was successful. We'll see this year how good or bad Beck is....

 

[Memnon]

Probably because you love Cam and don't like our HC and really dislike Beck....

No.

I like our HC plenty, I just don't worship him.

I've given credit numerous times to Mario for what he accomplished this season & the hires he made particular at OC, DC & DB Coaches.

Because I'm not devout worshipper & can give an honest assessment doesn't mean I don't like him. But in the eyes of slurpers, anything that isn't everlasting praise is perceived as "not liking".

I don't think Beck is as good as he gets portrayed to be, I could be wrong. But based on what I've seen on tape, I don't think he's what he's made out to be.

 

[Memnon]

The 3 interior Olineman all graded as pretty great athletes who all have great size. Well especially Ratledge and Wilson. Fairchild a little less. But elite size and athleticism can get guys drafted much higher than their on-field paly. Smith we know is a great athlete who is fast but can't catch. Etienne is a good athlete and RB.. Idk why they couldn't run well with that. I imagine they have massive OTs who are elite athletes as well.... Maybe it's bobo. @Memnon would say its cause Beck sucks so defenses didn't fear the pass game so committed to stopping the run. And that's why Cam worked for us and why our run game was successful. We'll see this year how good or bad Beck is....

You don't have to put words in my mouth.

I've never once had a good thing to say about Mike Bobo. In fact, I'm literally the person who turned the board onto the fact that he's one of the worst OC's in College Football.

I don’t & didn't place all of the blame on UGA's decline on Beck, it was the multitude of losing multiple high caliber NFL players on Offense & Defense, combined with Mike Bobo being a Dinosaur & Beck being overrated as a passer.

 

[Zbrod95]

The Georgia stuff is interesting.

Put Beck aside- why was their running game so bad (102nd in YPG, 84th in YPC) with three Day 2 linemen and a 4th round back?

Not sure if it’s Bobo, the players underachieving, the players being overdrafted because of the logo, or a combination of all three.

It’s Bobo. UGA forgets they begged Richt to fire him because of the QB graveyard he created and then Smart brought him back and the same problems they Ahmad back then are back.

 

[Memnon]

Where did you hear this? He would have been out the door if he got a 2nd rd. grade.

 

[Zbrod95]

2nd rounder.

But if all the credit goes to his supporting cast & not his God given ability, combined with his work ethic, then that supporting cast should also be reflected in that same measure.

A 5th round OL, & 7th round RB is the reason he's the #1 pick.

Then that means Beck should follow suit & be a #1 pick next year as well.

I'd bet money he's not, despite allegedly having a better OL & Run game...

That’s not true. I know for a fact that he got a “go back to school” grade and wasn’t going to fall in the top 3 rounds.

Ward allowed Dawson to do what he really wanted to do on O and Dawson’s offense allowed Cam to show scouts what he could do in a pro - spread offense.

It was a win - win for all parties involved.

 

[Calinative]

No.

I like our HC plenty, I just don't worship him.

I've given credit numerous times to Mario for what he accomplished this season & the hires he made particular at OC, DC & DB Coaches.

Because I'm not devout worshipper & can give an honest assessment doesn't mean I don't like him. But in the eyes of slurpers, anything that isn't everlasting praise is perceived as "not liking".

I don't think Beck is as good as he gets portrayed to be, I could be wrong. But based on what I've seen on tape, I don't think he's what he's made out to be.

I believe you, but you're just saying it's not black and white, So if you can do that, why not just Say Cam is an elite player who elevated our players, but that doesn't mean we had an offense full of bums lol. I'm just saying you opened with "if all the credit goes to his supporting cast" .... Meanwhile I don't think a single person has ever said that on here, or feels that Cam isn't a superstar. Thats my only point. Maybe you're just talking about specific people, but then idk who... Cause I don't think anyone here is like Nah cam isn't a #1 pick, Sam Brown and Jacolby George made him that...

As for Beck, I think you're probably much more right than wrong on your actual evaluation of him and where he should probably be from an NFL perspective. I just think you have a preference for certain types of QBs - same way you do for certain type of CBs. We all do. But it's not like all NFL teams think the same regarding QB. There is a reason sometimes bums are drafted in the 1st. It's the hardest position to evaluate for the NFL, and maybe that's because the ultimate success/fail they're judged on builds off the organizational quality, play caller, oline and weapons they're given.
Beck imo definitely does not fit the type of QB I think you like. But Beck is certainly a good enough actual passer of the football, and hopefully and possibly most importantly mentally, to take us to the CFP and potentially win a championship. How he performs under pressure seems to obviously be the most important thing for us this coming season. Is he going to turn the ball over when under pressure like last year, or is he going to make the plays that need to be made when it matters like cam did (pressure in terms of the moment and/or from opponents players). He's not Cam, and I don't expect him to be as good as Cam. He probably doesn't have top 5 pick potential - at least I wouldn't want the Raiders taking him there - But in the grand scheme of Qbs that end up drafted in the 1st round, I think Beck can get himself back in that conversation for some team to like him enough. Ultimately for the most part you don't get projected to be a 1st rounder ESPECIALLY entering your 5th year as a QB without a certain amount of talent/attributes. Maybe that is too much of the pre-season hype cycle, but like thinking of guys who were also hyped up prior years as the way too early projections:

2024 - Beck, Shedeur, and Ewers
2023 - Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Michael Penix, Quinn Ewers. Maybe Some had Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy
2022 - Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Tanner McKee, Will Levis. Some probably had TVD, Anthony Richardson

But again the more years under their belt when they receive that projection, the more likely its actually a good projection in terms of actual draft status. Obviously how they play that season is what matters, but like out of those guys, Ewers, TVD, McKee were the real misses from that perspective? It's not usually outlandish all that often....

 

[E1k]

The only thing that changed around him was the elevation on competition he faced & his self-evaluating to make improvements to his game overall.

Cam would've gotten drafted had he stayed at Incarnate Word, because he's that good.

He got more eyes on him at Miami because more pro scouts pay attention to high profile teams in the South, but even so still it was clear he was an NFL player from the moment he stepped on the field, whether in San Antonio, Pullman, or Miami.

When Cam entered the Portal for the 1st time from IW, he was the most highly sought after QB on the market. He went to Wash ST out of loyalty to Eric Morris who was the first one who took a chance on him, so he followed him to Wash ST. But he had high suitors all around P5 Football at that time. Ole Miss, USC, FSU, Texas, TTech, Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU & whole host of others were all interested.

The idea that Cam was a byproduct of Miami is definitely a good company line to push, but it's not reality.

We'll revisit this discussion for next year's draft & we'll see exactly how it plays out.

So there was no change at oline from wazzu to miami? You know the nfl isn’t just drafting players only on what they did in college they are projecting.

The simple answer is cam was the best player in the country and had a great supporting cast in college. Does acknowledging that he had a good supporting cast take away from how great he is?

You don’t have the #1 offense with just a great qb we have seen it multiple times in college.. I was on here saying he would have been a top qb in last years draft and saying bet money on the heisman before he played a snap here so i know he isn’t just a byproduct of Miami at all

But i don’t understand downplaying his supporting cast when everyone besides horton and arroyo? Had good years before playing with him, X/George/Brown/Martinez all were established good college players before playing with cam,arroyo was hurt, i think i remember u saying martinez was a top rb in college. Insert all of them together with the best qb and you get the best offense in the country.

 

[cway313]

Ohhh I see why this narrative has to be pushed now.

Nevermind fellas, carry on.

 

[Glow]

Ward. Best pure thrower we have ever had. Exact quote. No comment on the other QBs.

Worries about Safety position.

Arroyo running better than he ever has at Miami. Easy day 2 pick.

Martinez pushing around LBs. Second Level problem.

Good hit rate

 

[Bender]

Ohhh I see why this narrative has to be pushed now.

Nevermind fellas, carry on.

 

[JD08]

I think it was very nice of Cam to save his best season for us.

 

[Gocanes1990]

All 3 of our WR's went undrafted, Damien Martinez went 7th round & Rivers went 5th round.

The highest drafted supporting cast for Cam was Arroyo.

Maybe to say Cam was a one-man show wasn't a stretch?

At least we brought more talent into that WR room!!! Waaaa waaaaa. Most expensive 8-4 team in the country