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DMoney said:
The Georgia stuff is interesting.

Put Beck aside- why was their running game so bad (102nd in YPG, 84th in YPC) with three Day 2 linemen and a 4th round back?

Not sure if it’s Bobo, the players underachieving, the players being overdrafted because of the logo, or a combination of all three.
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They were injured… Rutledge played on a bum ankle
 
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Memnon said:
All 3 of our WR's went undrafted, Damien Martinez went 7th round & Rivers went 5th round.

The highest drafted supporting cast for Cam was Arroyo.

Maybe to say Cam was a one-man show wasn't a stretch?
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This is what I mean when I say Miami fans get delusional about viewing their players (too high or too low). Memnon is right about the supporting cast. Cam was elite and his gravity raised the offense to an elite level. I can’t quite go one man show but the talent on offense is simply okay (hence me catching some heat about the position group posting I made the other day).

Just my opinion. And I really think Cam could have raised most offenses in college football to a borderline elite level.
 
Wow..a thread that aged really well..

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Memnon said:
2nd rounder.

But if all the credit goes to his supporting cast & not his God given ability, combined with his work ethic, then that supporting cast should also be reflected in that same measure.

A 5th round OL, & 7th round RB is the reason he's the #1 pick.

Then that means Beck should follow suit & be a #1 pick next year as well.

I'd bet money he's not, despite allegedly having a better OL & Run game...
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Well that and an incredibly weak QB class.
 
umfire2005 said:
This is what I mean when I say Miami fans get delusional about viewing their players (too high or too low). Memnon is right about the supporting cast. Cam was elite and his gravity raised the offense to an elite level. I can’t quite go one man show but the talent on offense is simply okay (hence me catching some heat about the position group posting I made the other day).

Just my opinion. And I really think Cam could have raised most offenses in college football to a borderline elite level.
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TrumpyCane doesn't think viewing X as a great college player is delusional as an example. Last year he had 1k yards playing with a combo of Jacurri Brown/TVD/Emory, he's a great college WR. Damien Martinez ran for 1k yards 3 straight years, one of them with DJU as a QB, great college RB

We have very good college players, just because they might not be great NFL players doesn't mean they were JAGs in college. Now to take the next step as a program a guy like X should be our 3rd best receiver. Need to grab not only elite players but elite athletes.

Imagine this offense last year with a J Smith/Egbuka on the outside instead of George/Horton and then you have X in the slot and you pair them with a QB of Cam's talents.
 
TriStarCane said:
I’ve been thinking about this all day. Cam is def 1/1. Am I not high enough on Dawson? I think Cam made a lot of changes and made players look good…including our vaunted OL. He didn’t have NFL players around him per the last 72 hours, but he really made it work…
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I, too, am still not convinced on Dawson. I think it was pretty obvious Cam changed many plays. At various points throughout the season , and even recently through Anez Cooper, the guys mentioned how Cam changed plays he didn't like.

We'll see how Beck does. It's been said he has a high football IQ. Not sure he had all that much freedom at UGA to make changes; Cam set the precedent.
 
Amidst all this back and forth, there is another possibility not mentioned.

Maybe our WRs didn't get the full credit for their production because they were getting the ball from Cam. Maybe our OL wasn't getting full credit because they were blocking for a quick release QB.

X is a perfect example. When he ran the 40 like a slow tight end, he put question marks into coaches minds. So when they try to balance that information against his production, it would be easy to say he benefited from a great quarterback.

Having said that, I think it is fair to say that Memnon is correct to the degree that at least 32 GM's felt the same way. Whether they are right remains to be seen. They certainly have been right over the last 20 years. Every time we see injustice in the draft, there is an assumption that those players will go on to out perform their draft status. Only a few have. Like all things personnel related, you can't really evaluate until years go by.
 
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Memnon said:
The NFL just told yall what they thought about our Offense;

Cam & Arroyo = Good

The rest = meh
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That is one Junior and the seniors. What about the other kids that opted to return? Francis, Cooper, Lyle, Bell are all likely picks at some point.
 
TriStarCane said:
For as bad as everyone wants to say Georgia’s offense was around Beck last year, here was their offensive draft. We don’t have this at all for next year.

OG- Ratledge, R2, 57
OG - Fairchild, R3, 81
C - Wilson, R3, 95
WR - Smith, R4, 110
RB, Ettiene, R4, 114
WR, Lovett, R7, 244

The Bobo Effect is real, but do we have 3 top 100 OL? Do we have 5 top 150 players on our offense next year? Apparently that’s not enough for Beck to be a R1 at UGA…so we need more than that tbh.
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I NEVER put much stock into draft results and I have always been vocal about it on here. Had we made the playoffs most of our guys would have been drafted higher. Those receivers at GA had drops than booty base. And still got drafted higher. GA couldn’t create a push up front and both guards go high. Playing for a winner and having elite traits is all they care about. They drafted a gang of SEC d-linemen with NO PRODUCTION their entire college careers! Shamar and Mikel Williams ring a bell? Those dudes look like Tarzan and play like Jane but still went first round. Plus SEC bias. Most of these dudes are bagging groceries and selling insurance within 2-3 years. Draft is a joke!
 
Memnon said:
When you say measurables, do you mean athletic profile, or are you talking about physical profile?







Because physically, he's bigger than Armand Membou, Kelvin Banks, Donovan Jackson & Josh Conerly. While also being the same size as Will Campbell & Grey Zabel, with much longer arms than both of them.
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Athletic measureables. Maybe I should have said "traits". I mean, its good that he's 6'6" 320 with long arms and good hand size. But his speed, quickness, bend, etc. are not the freakish sort that might make you think "top five pick". This in no way diminishes what he was able to do at Miami or how effective he was in anchoring part of the line to protect Cam and open holes for RBs.
 
Ask yourself this, if the players and team being discussed here weren’t Miami, and we were asked to objectively have this same discussion with say an ACC rival, would the stances be the same? From where I stand @Memnon is taking his fandom out of it while others are not. If Cam had played at FSU and these same results were harvested through the draft, I’m pretty certain the same people would be arguing his point.
 
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KingB02 said:
I NEVER put much stock into draft results and I have always been vocal about it on here. Had we made the playoffs most of our guys would have been drafted higher. Those receivers at GA had drops than booty base. And still got drafted higher. GA couldn’t create a push up front and both guards go high. Playing for a winner and having elite traits is all they care about. They drafted a gang of SEC d-linemen with NO PRODUCTION their entire college careers! Shamar and Mikel Williams ring a bell? Those dudes look like Tarzan and play like Jane but still went first round. Plus SEC bias. Most of these dudes are bagging groceries and selling insurance within 2-3 years. Draft is a joke!
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This is reasonable and I can understand this. But the main currency of talent evaluations on this website is the draft. That’s straight from the admin. I am trying to be consistent in using the correct baseline to assess the team
 
bobbydigius said:
Ask yourself this, if the players and team being discussed here weren’t Miami, and we were asked to objectively have this same discussion with say an ACC rival, would the stances be the same? From where I stand @Memnon is taking his fandom out of it while others are not. If Cam had played at FSU and these same results were harvested through the draft, I’m pretty certain the same people would be arguing his point.
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Buddy you just asked a mob to put pitchforks down and use reason. Everything ok?
 
bobbydigius said:
Ask yourself this, if the players and team being discussed here weren’t Miami, and we were asked to objectively have this same discussion with say an ACC rival, would the stances be the same? From where I stand @Memnon is taking his fandom out of it while others are not. If Cam had played at FSU and these same results were harvested through the draft, I’m pretty certain the same people would be arguing his point.
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Board used to say “Draft don’t lie” … now we telling lies about the draft
 
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