Some trends for perspective

[jw410]

Alabama can be beat.. Jesus they were beat last night if Kirby doesn't get conservative!!

 

[simplycanes]

Here's a reversal in trend:. Larry Coker, Randy Shannon, Al Golden, Mark Richt.

Enjoy the ride back fellas. We on the up.

 

[Gatorhater]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

D, you hit the crucial point about a Miami team being the most complete. I hope Mark intends to build a Miami team and not a sec team. We took over, college football by being the team the other were not. We need to go back to that. Need fullback and the ability to have a qb play under center not just shotgun. We need consistent Miami defense and stop giving all that space on 3 and long. We need nfl TEs and qb who can hit them in the middle. Watching last night all I could think about is how neither of those team stood a chance against our old teams. They look just like the college football we destroyed.

 

[CanesNation26]

The formula for winning a CFB title is very clear (last 10 or so years).

(1) You either have to recruit at an elite, elite level, like Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. Bama has won 5 titles in the last 9 years all without an elite QB because of talent and depth at other positions- mostly the trenches (9 recruiting titles in a row?). Meyer won a title with his 3rd string qb for similar reasons. Georgia nearly won a title last night with a true freshman qb because of very good recruiting by Richt (50 percent blue chip) and then two elite classes by Smart in a row (70 percent blue chip). Georgia will add the #1 class this year and remain in contention for the foreseeable future.

(2) On the other hand, if you recruit very good/borderline elite, like Clemson, FSU (their recruiting run, ON PAPER, may be up there with Bama and Ohio State), Auburn, and Oklahoma, you need an elite QB to overcome the talent difference- Watson, Winston, Newton, Mayfield, etc. This is our route to hopefully winning #6 . We'll need a total game-changer at QB because our recruiting is not elite, especially not in the trenches.

As they say, there is a reason Peterson, Patterson, and Gundy don't have titles, but Chizik and Coker do.

 

[canesd]

Exactly, people need to get their head out of their *** and realize how quickly things are moving. Every preseason poll has us top 7.

 

[bshaw28]

The positive - Our record, coaching, and recruiting is better are all better under Richt. FSU & UF are both in coaching transitions. The balance of power is due to shift back to Miami.

The bad - It doesn't seem like Richt has learned the important of both the OL & DL are. We have to land more blue chip guys on both sides of the line. Richt's trend of taking 1 loss to a lesser opponent, and 1 blowout loss each year at Georgia has continued at Miami.

 

[@KingLew88]

While the trends are favorable. We still light in the most major position which is the trenches.

We are good at most skill positions but we need some GROWN MEN in the battlefield. Did y'all see them Linemen last night. Sheesh

78 on UGA almost killed a man

 

[RiDLer80]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

How we looking on that common link among champions?

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Easy path back - Saban retires, Bama hires Dabo to replace him, ACC is wide open again. It's doesn't diminish miami to say Bama is insanely dominant right now. That could have been us if Schnelly or JJ stayed. ****, Butch could have built a dynasty. I think we still need some hogs on the OL and DL. In the meantime, I'd like for Miami to compensate for having smaller linemen with a fast Oklahoma type offense. We have the speed for it and should have the arm talent next year. You can blow people off the line like Bama (we are a couple years away from that) or put up tons of points and play good defense. Oklahoma nearly made it to championship game with zero defense. I think we can do better than that.

 

[DMoney]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

How we looking on that common link among champions?

Talented but need to up the numbers as everyone knows. Last year was a missed opportunity at DT.

Our top level guys like Jackson and Garvin are big-time and we have combustible five-star talents like Silvera and Willis. So it's not like we are talking coal shovelers.

Ford is going to be the key. His physical talent is off the charts and he has the best DL coach in America.

 

[rayray]

thank you as always [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] for your perspective on this board that needs a lot of it

as for the common link among champions, the blue chip ratio (signing more 5 and 4 stars than 3 stars) remains undefeated https://www.sbnation.com/a/cfb-preview-2017/blue-chip-ratio

golden had plenty of problems but simply put the talent wasn't there. here are richt's three classes (i've filtered out transferred players and specialists):

2018: 14 blue chips, 4 three stars
2017: 9 blue chips, 13 three stars
2016: 6 blue chips, 6 three stars

totals: 29 blue chips, 23 three stars

as DMoney has said before--we have people who know what they're doing running the program now. the talent is filtering in and will be put to good use. we saw flashes this year. more will come.

 

[DaU83]

That Tua dude at bama looks legit..

 

[prinmemo]

thank you as always [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] for your perspective on this board that needs a lot of it

as for the common link among champions, the blue chip ratio (signing more 5 and 4 stars than 3 stars) remains undefeated https://www.sbnation.com/a/cfb-preview-2017/blue-chip-ratio

golden had plenty of problems but simply put the talent wasn't there. here are richt's three classes (i've filtered out transferred players and specialists):

2018: 14 blue chips, 4 three stars
2017: 9 blue chips, 13 three stars
2016: 6 blue chips, 6 three stars

totals: 29 blue chips, 23 three stars

as DMoney has said before--we have people who know what they're doing running the program now. the talent is filtering in and will be put to good use. we saw flashes this year. more will come.

A couple more classes like 2018 and we are in business. The blue chip ratio is very high for our clas this year.

 

[WR Cane]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

I think the problem is everyone's seeing that Smart took the team Richt built to the national title game, without properly looking at it deeper.

UGA got to avoid Bama in the SEC title game.

UGA got lucky with injuries.

UGA had a senior laden team (31).

Richt got this team just as close as Kirby did to winning a national title in 2012/2013 where they were 5 yards from beating Bama in the SEC title game. Everyone knew that whomever won that game was going to annihilate an overrated Notre Dame team that year.

My only two gripes with Richt this year is how vanilla the offense is


I can't upvote this enough. Please pass on to Ty C. as well.

 

[CaneToad]

The positive - Our record, coaching, and recruiting is better are all better under Richt. FSU & UF are both in coaching transitions. The balance of power is due to shift back to Miami.

The bad - It doesn't seem like Richt has learned the important of both the OL & DL are. We have to land more blue chip guys on both sides of the line. Richt's trend of taking 1 loss to a lesser opponent, and 1 blowout loss each year at Georgia has continued at Miami.

Richt needs to learn the importance of the OL and DL? Really did you say that? roflmao what a moron!

 

[passitback]

Until we can convert on 3rd down,and prevent teams from doing the same, we will never be back.

Until we can score off turnovers, we will never be back.

Until our special teams is actually special, we will never be back.

I believe our biggest issues are OL and QB. Those two positions are average, thoroughly average.

 

[orange&green84]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

I think the problem is everyone's seeing that Smart took the team Richt built to the national title game, without properly looking at it deeper.

UGA got to avoid Bama in the SEC title game.

UGA got lucky with injuries.

UGA had a senior laden team (31).

Richt got this team just as close as Kirby did to winning a national title in 2012/2013 where they were 5 yards from beating Bama in the SEC title game. Everyone knew that whomever won that game was going to annihilate an overrated Notre Dame team that year.

My only two gripes with Richt this year is how vanilla the offense is - knowing full well we had a poor man's Jalen Hurts behind center and what our D-line depth looks like at this present moment.

But Richt walked into a crap situation with this team and in year 2 won the division, got us to 10 wins and the Orange Bowl. Smart clearly walked into the short-term better situation.

In year 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Miami has the better year than UGA.

When Richt was at Georgia, he had to go up against Urban Meyer's Florida and a decent Tennessee team. The fact that both Florida and Tennessee fired their coaches this year (and the fact that we have a thread called "Gator Tears") indicates what kind of year it was for those two teams.

Goes without saying.... it's a lot easier to win when your two biggest division rivals are having historically ****ty seasons.

So in other words, Georgia was never really tested until they played Auburn... and they split that series 50/50.

Excellent analysis as well. Many people point out to Richt's subpar record against UF( I think 5-10 iirc). But a good chunk of that was against Meyer, as you stated. Fulmer was also around for half of Richt's tenure. Let's also not forget Spurrier's tenure in South Carolina. At one point, that division rivaled the SEC West in terms of difficulty, until Bama started rolling and knocking quality coaches out of the SEC.

 

[mirvin88]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

Show me the DTs. Not winning a **** thing with our numbers.

 

[Bigtip]

$EC east was horrific this year. UGA didn't play anyone until auburn.

And this is one of the weakest bama teams of the last 10 years. We'll see if Shart can evaluate and develop talent especially on offense

 

[westcoastcanes]

Miami finished six straight years unranked with Shannon and Golden. Richt's first year we finished 20th. This year we finished 13th.

Golden's last recruiting class ranked 27th. Richt's interim class finished 22nd. His first full class was 12th. This class is currently 6th, a sliver behind Bama.

The trends are easy to read. We are on the path to being Miami again. And when we're Miami, there isn't a more complete team in the nation.

Show me the DTs. Not winning a **** thing with our numbers.

Are you telling me you aren't sold on a guy that has not signed here, and a guy that has played only 15 games in 4 seasons because he is a head case?