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D$, I wish I could buy in...


College football is a different animal than it was last time Miami was 'Miami.' Even if Richt closes the talent gap with top level recruiting, we'll still be playing teams with dozens of 'analysts', questionable S&C programs, and shady 'scouting' and gameday practices that would put the Belichick Patriots to shame.


I'm not saying that Miami football will never be enjoyable to watch again; ****, this past season was as fun of a ride as I can remember since early last decade, but the ceiling on the program isn't what it once was. Without some degree of change away from the direction the sport has headed (and good luck with that, considering the crooked, inept nature of the NCAA and ESPN/Disney's almost complete ownership of FBS college football), Miami will never be 'Miami' again, the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can enjoy the steps forward the program has actually taken in the past couple years.
 
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[MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] I love the direction of the program. I'm excited to watch the best DT in the country sign with us. I'm already ready for Spring ball to start to see which of our young QBs steps up and to see how we use all of the talented skill position players we've brought in. We all know the Ambassador plays day one, but I believe Hightower is a day one contributor as well. I think both of our young TEs are going to be a nightmare for teams to cover next season. No keeping them off the field. Flex them out or line them up at the HB position and watch them make LBs look silly in coverage. I think Pope and Harley are going to be nightmares to cover (line them up off the line of scrimmage or us motion to give them a free release), and Pope will be a threat to score from anywhere. I'm optimistic about our OL with the additions we've made, Scaife and Reed look like grown men, and our stable of running backs is now four deep not counting Burns or Realus George. And I believe George's athleticism will allow us to do things with the FB position we haven't seen in some time, like be a consistent pass catcher to help move the chains on third and short. Our biggest rivals in state are looking up at us, and the Turnover Chain has become a national phenomenon with high school kids all over the country wanting one for their team. I believe Dugans knows these things and knows how close we are, and that's why he stayed with his old rival and new home rather than return to his kind mother. We're a problem again. It's great to be a Miami Hurricane. No Question.

We're not where we want to be. We've got issues to fix, but we are headed in the right direction and the future is bright.
 
Every time there's temptation to compare to Alabama it's best to leave it alone. Only Ohio State can rightfully do so. They have manpower comparable enough to Alabama and likewise a coach on Saban's level. That team was held back by JT Barrett, otherwise those two programs would be considered much closer than current thinking allows.

Alabama opened a 1.5 point favorite over Clemson. Come on. That's a hand out. But it demonstrates how the truth can be blurred by one game or one player. Deshaun Watson artificially obscured the actual gap between the Alabama and Clemson programs, and the Auburn victory over an injured Alabama team likewise fooled the people who aren't wise enough to rely on the big picture.

South Florida kids are more flash and fragile. Rely on a group of them and yeah your upside is tremendous but that vulnerability is going to be there. I suggest we have some type of freak difference maker at quarterback. That allows a chance but since I have always been a big picture guy I'm going to assume advantage to that program that prioritizes every position, with players who look like they couldn't be dented by a tank. The program that understands the necessity of pass defense more than any other.

Sorry. I am not a buyer. I do not believe there will be another Canes national championship in the forseeable.
 
This thread is about the University of Miami's football program. Plenty to discuss about it.
 
mjackson6 said:
The main differences in Miami and Georgia for 2017... their key juniors returned after 2016. Ours left. They didn’t have 1 starter get hurt all year (except Eason and it made them better). We lost Walton, had Richards limited all year, lost D Jackson, lost Herndon, and had Willis ineligible. Their freshman QB was an EE. Ours enrolled in summer 2. They had 31 seniors. We had 9. They played at 84 scholarship players. We played at 72-74
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You minimize injuries by doing things properly in the weight room. It is troubling that so many players were injured under Mark RichT. If that doesn't work for you then you aren't paying attention.
 
ooh nice a non doom and gloom thread.

The Change Richt has brought to this program is amazing.
 
The Franchise said:
People need to get Alabaga out of their heads. That’s a freak of nature going on up there right now. Eventually, Sabag will die or quit, and things will even back out.

We are infinitely better off now than we were a couple years ago. Get me a dynamic QB similar to what Clemson had with Watson, and that’s when we really turn the corner as a program. If we don’t get that QB it’ll be a longer journey back to the top.

Watson is the single moment that turned Clemson from a top 15 team into an upper echelon program. They successfully built off the momentum that Watson brought to their program.
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Unless they snag Dabo
 
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I remember when richt first got here he was asking himself where are the big guys? Well 2 years in he still hasn't gone out and got the big guys I will admit the oline is Definitely getting reinforcements
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Every time there's temptation to compare to Alabama it's best to leave it alone. Only Ohio State can rightfully do so. They have manpower comparable enough to Alabama and likewise a coach on Saban's level. That team was held back by JT Barrett, otherwise those two programs would be considered much closer than current thinking allows.

Alabama opened a 1.5 point favorite over Clemson. Come on. That's a hand out. But it demonstrates how the truth can be blurred by one game or one player. Deshaun Watson artificially obscured the actual gap between the Alabama and Clemson programs, and the Auburn victory over an injured Alabama team likewise fooled the people who aren't wise enough to rely on the big picture.

South Florida kids are more flash and fragile. Rely on a group of them and yeah your upside is tremendous but that vulnerability is going to be there. I suggest we have some type of freak difference maker at quarterback. That allows a chance but since I have always been a big picture guy I'm going to assume advantage to that program that prioritizes every position, with players who look like they couldn't be dented by a tank. The program that understands the necessity of pass defense more than any other.

Sorry. I am not a buyer. I do not believe there will be another Canes national championship in the forseeable.
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Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.
 
kmwcane said:
Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.
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It's interesting that @Awsi Dooger consistently trashes South Florida recruits and touts yards per pass allowed as the Holy Grail of predictive stats.

He's on to something with yards per pass allowed, but ignores the fact that this region produces the best corners (Patrick Peterson, Xavier Rhodes, Janoris Jenkins) and some of the best pass rushers on the planet.

It's easy to limit yards per pass when you're signing guys like Joey Bosa, Geno Atkins, JPP and Olivier Vernon. Or for more recent examples, Joe Jackson, Nick Bosa, Jon Garvin and Brian Burns.
 
DMoney said:
kmwcane said:
Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.
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It's interesting that [MENTION=2134]Awsi Dooger[/MENTION] consistently trashes South Florida recruits and touts yards per pass as the Holy Grail of predictive stats.

He's on to something with yards per pass, but ignores the fact that this region produces the best corners (Patrick Peterson, Xavier Rhodes, Janoris Jenkins) and some of the best pass rushers on the planet.

It's easy to limit yards per pass when you're signing guys like Joey Bosa, Geno Atkins, JPP and Olivier Vernon. Or for more recent examples, Joe Jackson, Nick Bosa, Jon Garvin and Brian Burns.
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The constant fallback for Miami fans is talent.


Lost in Alabama's recent dominance is that talent, in of itself, isn't enough. Sure, possibly nobody brings more talent to the table recently than the Saban plantation, but they've also shown the ability to consistently beat teams that are close or equal in talent. Maybe it has to do with Saban being the best coach in the history of football (as long as your short memory forgets those NFL years) and having big magical balls, or with Tuscaloosa being this beautiful location and school (insider tip: it ain't). Or maybe it has to do with Alabama having two dozen analysts, an army of students willing to scout teams, steal signals, and mail recruits, in exchange for a handful of Chick-fil-A gift cards, and a personal smoothie bar that puts juuuusssstttt the right amount of deer antler powder into every post workout drink.


If you think that talent is enough to keep up with the Sabans and the Meyers...it's not. Because it isn't about blue chip athletes. It isn't even about them being good gameday coaches. It's about the organization and the methods they've established. It's about college football programs being run like large companies with resources that NFL teams would flinch at.


No amount of talent can change that.


I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.
 
SevenNSeven said:
D$, I wish I could buy in...


College football is a different animal than it was last time Miami was 'Miami.' Even if Richt closes the talent gap with top level recruiting, we'll still be playing teams with dozens of 'analysts', questionable S&C programs, and shady 'scouting' and gameday practices that would put the Belichick Patriots to shame.


I'm not saying that Miami football will never be enjoyable to watch again; ****, this past season was as fun of a ride as I can remember since early last decade, but the ceiling on the program isn't what it once was. Without some degree of change away from the direction the sport has headed (and good luck with that, considering the crooked, inept nature of the NCAA and ESPN/Disney's almost complete ownership of FBS college football), Miami will never be 'Miami' again, the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can enjoy the steps forward the program has actually taken in the past couple years.
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but this has always been the context for Miami. based on objective measureables, the program should never have won a championship, much less 5. it has always been and will always be david v goliath.
 
SevenNSeven said:
DMoney said:
kmwcane said:
Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.
Click to expand...

It's interesting that [MENTION=2134]Awsi Dooger[/MENTION] consistently trashes South Florida recruits and touts yards per pass as the Holy Grail of predictive stats.

He's on to something with yards per pass, but ignores the fact that this region produces the best corners (Patrick Peterson, Xavier Rhodes, Janoris Jenkins) and some of the best pass rushers on the planet.

It's easy to limit yards per pass when you're signing guys like Joey Bosa, Geno Atkins, JPP and Olivier Vernon. Or for more recent examples, Joe Jackson, Nick Bosa, Jon Garvin and Brian Burns.
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The constant fallback for Miami fans is talent.


Lost in Alabama's recent dominance is that talent, in of itself, isn't enough. Sure, possibly nobody brings more talent to the table recently than the Saban plantation, but they've also shown the ability to consistently beat teams that are close or equal in talent. Maybe it has to do with Saban being the best coach in the history of football (as long as your short memory forgets those NFL years) and having big magical balls, or with Tuscaloosa being this beautiful location and school (insider tip: it ain't). Or maybe it has to do with Alabama having two dozen analysts, an army of students willing to scout teams, steal signals, and mail recruits, in exchange for a handful of Chick-fil-A gift cards, and a personal smoothie bar that puts juuuusssstttt the right amount of deer antler powder into every post workout drink.


If you think that talent is enough to keep up with the Sabans and the Meyers...it's not. Because it isn't about blue chip athletes. It isn't even about them being good gameday coaches. It's about the organization and the methods they've established. It's about college football programs being run like large companies with resources that NFL teams would flinch at.


No amount of talent can change that.


I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.
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This. This. This. And more of this. Alabama has rewritten the rules of college football. And now there is not only the have/have nots. Within the “haves” there is a select group with a seemingly endless supply of man power and treasure to scout, analyze and recruit. There’s only so many programs that can do that. Miami is not one of them. We could do it on a small scale, but unless some billionaire makes us his pet project, that’s not going to happen. We are in the need of a once in a decade prospect along with seasoned, blue chip talent that we normally get to even the odds.
 
rsa coral gables said:
SevenNSeven said:
D$, I wish I could buy in...


College football is a different animal than it was last time Miami was 'Miami.' Even if Richt closes the talent gap with top level recruiting, we'll still be playing teams with dozens of 'analysts', questionable S&C programs, and shady 'scouting' and gameday practices that would put the Belichick Patriots to shame.


I'm not saying that Miami football will never be enjoyable to watch again; ****, this past season was as fun of a ride as I can remember since early last decade, but the ceiling on the program isn't what it once was. Without some degree of change away from the direction the sport has headed (and good luck with that, considering the crooked, inept nature of the NCAA and ESPN/Disney's almost complete ownership of FBS college football), Miami will never be 'Miami' again, the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can enjoy the steps forward the program has actually taken in the past couple years.
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but this has always been the context for Miami. based on objective measureables, the program should never have won a championship, much less 5. it has always been and will always be david v goliath.
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It's not David vs Goliath anymore in college football. It's small business versus Walmart.
 
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SevenNSeven said:
I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.
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People used to say we couldn't recruit elite classes anymore because "college football has changed" and "facilities." Now that we're signing elite players and the Army game looks like a Miami commercial, the story changes. Now we can't win because of student interns and deer antler powder.

Those $25k/year analysts aren't winning any games. Saban wins because he's the best coach and they sign the #1 class every year.

Alabama has always had bags. They almost got the death penalty twice, and unlike us, they earned it. We've never had that budget and still won 5.

The formula is the same. Keep the best players home, sign some out-of-state freaks and coach them. Unlike Alabama or Georgia, we don't have to hire Cuban guys or buy billboards to get it done. We just need to be the best version of Miami.
 
Bama are some baaad boys right now but we make it to the National Championship game anything can happen.
 
Best statement of the day is the one above.......

Flew in to VTech and Wisconsin games this year from LA.

We have the best stadium situation in the country. The atmosphere is unparalleled. It is brand new. State of the art locker room AND you live within 20 minutes of SOuth Beach and in the Beverly Hills of the South.

Has anyone BEEN to Tuscaloosa!!!
 
JefeGringo said:
SevenNSeven said:
DMoney said:
kmwcane said:
Another long-winded porst by Awsi praising Alabama and slamming Miami and South Florida.
Click to expand...

It's interesting that [MENTION=2134]Awsi Dooger[/MENTION] consistently trashes South Florida recruits and touts yards per pass as the Holy Grail of predictive stats.

He's on to something with yards per pass, but ignores the fact that this region produces the best corners (Patrick Peterson, Xavier Rhodes, Janoris Jenkins) and some of the best pass rushers on the planet.

It's easy to limit yards per pass when you're signing guys like Joey Bosa, Geno Atkins, JPP and Olivier Vernon. Or for more recent examples, Joe Jackson, Nick Bosa, Jon Garvin and Brian Burns.
Click to expand...

The constant fallback for Miami fans is talent.


Lost in Alabama's recent dominance is that talent, in of itself, isn't enough. Sure, possibly nobody brings more talent to the table recently than the Saban plantation, but they've also shown the ability to consistently beat teams that are close or equal in talent. Maybe it has to do with Saban being the best coach in the history of football (as long as your short memory forgets those NFL years) and having big magical balls, or with Tuscaloosa being this beautiful location and school (insider tip: it ain't). Or maybe it has to do with Alabama having two dozen analysts, an army of students willing to scout teams, steal signals, and mail recruits, in exchange for a handful of Chick-fil-A gift cards, and a personal smoothie bar that puts juuuusssstttt the right amount of deer antler powder into every post workout drink.


If you think that talent is enough to keep up with the Sabans and the Meyers...it's not. Because it isn't about blue chip athletes. It isn't even about them being good gameday coaches. It's about the organization and the methods they've established. It's about college football programs being run like large companies with resources that NFL teams would flinch at.


No amount of talent can change that.


I realize running a college football fan message board makes you trade in optimism. I respect that. But if you think that Miami can compete at the level we once did, in the current climate of college football, you're deluding yourself.
Click to expand...

This. This. This. And more of this. Alabama has rewritten the rules of college football. And now there is not only the have/have nots. Within the “haves” there is a select group with a seemingly endless supply of man power and treasure to scout, analyze and recruit. There’s only so many programs that can do that. Miami is not one of them. We could do it on a small scale, but unless some billionaire makes us his pet project, that’s not going to happen. We are in the need of a once in a decade prospect along with seasoned, blue chip talent that we normally get to even the odds.
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We dont need it. Were based in the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation. Lock down most of your elite targets from here, head out of state to piece in guys. Its all about the talent...and i watched a kid from West Park have 7yd a carry on Bama for 90+ yards like it was nothing. I saw a forgotten about lower level s.fla wr (ridley) make a fool of supposed 5 star dbs of bama (their overrated). It is what it is..But if Miami is recruiting at a high level...they are there with any of the supposed big dogs and its nothing they can do about it.
 
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