Simple but alarming stat

[Jedi Master Cane]

Coley could script plays with the best of them. Once he ran his first 10 and had to call the rest of the game as the defense adjusted he called half back passes in blizzards.

It was worse than that...his offense also completely ignored the middle of the field on a consistent basis. He was ******* horrible.

 

[LuCane]

Indiana played them first game of the year in a driving rainstorm, at home, if i am not mistaken correct? There are outside circumstances, but you have a fair point.

I would like to look at their line and their OL coach. Point blank jury is out on Searles. I think i like how he's recruited, but to me the litmus test is Neal. We don't get Neal he should find a pink slip. I'm not a fan of his rotations, not sure he's a great recruiter, not sure our guys are "ready" and for some reason good OL coaches don't really go to App St and VT from LSU and UGA (id like to know why). So that is what i would ike to know first. who is their coach (up front coaching matters most i believe). Then i'd like to konw if the new OC/HC is from the previous guys tree? Reason being if the concepts, terminology are the same from the previous then these kids have been drilled for years now.

I'd also like to see their trigger man. It makes all the difference and i knew we were in trouble when the night before the game Kosi is trying to troll panhandle school instead of being fully focuses on UVA. Doesn't have to be transcedent, but someone who has been there before. Maturity & Experience matters much at the QB position. It has nothing to do with Class year, age, years played. Maturity is maturity and is a must at QB. If their guy knows what to do with the right checks in the system through experience and has seen the coverages you see on Saturdays then things are easier.

I do think good play callers help. I feel CMR is alright, not good, not great. Scheme/concepts are fine, IMO. I do think it would help to get someone else besides his son to help diagnose what is going on out there and to help him line up plays. But i also think that anyone who is anything on our offense outside of Homer is young too. They're all true sophomores or freshman. We might have talent, but when ALL your talent are Freshman what do you really have? bad plays and mistakes will happen, but i think he realizes what he has on D and doens't want to give games away from the qb spot.

They basically just ran it down their throats, which is what I expected us to do. I mentioned on last week's podcast I was worried about this game. But, I thought we'd win because I looked at their opponents' offensive lines and found teams did work against them. Somehow, we couldn't. Almost all those teams would kill to have at least a few of our OL guys and definitely our skill position guys on their squads.

I'm at a loss. We're not worse than those teams from a talent standpoint. I'm with you on the checkdowns, but only worries me more. We either don't teach to check down or don't teach it well. Not sure which would be a scarier problem.

 

[Deleted member 16870]

I'd take any change at this point but I don't think that move would do any good. Brown is being groomed by CMR in his philosophy. This wouldn't be any different than Bobo at UGA. The only way I'd be down for this would be Brown having full control to call what he wants, when he wants in any situation. No meddling from Rick. I just don't see it happening.

TB coached at Wisconsin, Marshall and other places as well.. he's a pro style guy I'm not so sure he'd be doing exactly what Richt is

 

[The Owl]

They basically just ran it down their throats, which is what I expected us to do. I mentioned on last week's podcast I was worried about this game. But, I thought we'd win because I looked at their opponents' offensive lines and found teams did work against them. Somehow, we couldn't. Almost all those teams would kill to have at least a few of our OL guys and definitely our skill position guys on their squads.

I'm at a loss. We're not worse than those teams from a talent standpoint. I'm with you on the checkdowns, but only worries me more. We either don't teach to check down or don't teach it well. Not sure which would be a scarier problem.

I don't mean to intrude on your conversation but I think you already know the answer to the questions you are presenting. It's the same answer that is given to people that are trying to figure out how the Rams went from an average team to the highest power rated team in the NFL in two years with a bunch of the same players that were on the average Rams team.

 

[ColoradoCane]

TB coached at Wisconsin, Marshall and other places as well.. he's a pro style guy I'm not so sure he'd be doing exactly what Richt is

I'm all for it as long as he's given the green light to do things his way.

 

[JgDaCane]

Guys do yourselves a favor & Take BC & VT coming up. Make yourselves a few bucks at least off of this bum coach. Both are guaranteed losses unfortunately.

 

[JgDaCane]

I know he hasn't called plays before.. but what would you guys think of Thomas Brown calling plays??? I wouldn't be opposed to giving him the keys at all.

jesus christ could call the plays & it wouldnt matter. Its the scheme. The plays needed do not exist.

 

[LuCane]

I don't mean to intrude on your conversation but I think you already know the answer to the questions you are presenting. It's the same answer that is given to people that are trying to figure out how the Rams went from an average team to the highest power rated team in the NFL in two years with a bunch of the same players that were on the average Rams team.

If you've read my posts on this board over the disastrous last 15 years, I tend to give significant weight to concepts/playcalling. A fast player can be made to look slow. A slow player can be hidden. A slow guy can be schemed open - ****, watch crappy Notre Dame's underneath "pick" plays. Etc.

Problem that confuses me is we've seen a little of everything and it doesn't align. For instance, Richt spent part of his career talking about F'IN CROSSING ROUTE concepts. Now more than ever, we see these concepts used at all levels. Last night's KC vs NE game? We saw a handful of vertical concepts be successful and a lot of crossers used to move the sticks.

Do we use them? Not a lot. Malik can't hit a dude standing in front of him most of the time, so forget a moving target. However, I expected "ok, Perry can and has shown he can throw an accurate ball. Do we see it? Not a lot. Here and there, I guess.

So I'm not really asking questions I know the answers to. This is a math that doesn't seem to add up.

 

[KrazyCane]

I believe coach Mark Richt is wise enough to see the forest from the trees. He knows why Al Golden was fired bc he didn't care if his way didn't work among other things and I'm sure Richt doesn't want majority of the fan base thinking about Al Golden when they think about him.

It's on him to make the necessary changes... I think Mark Richt should adopt how Nick Saban does it. He said he's basically like a Grad Assistant to the DB coach which allows him to sit in and give feedback but still leaves all of the actual work and responsibility on the assistant coach. That would free up Coach Richt to correct bigger issues like Special Teams and the Oline w/ more urgency imo.

 

[cubin10]

I'm more of a lust kinda guy. The love thing really doesn't do it for me.

I get that and subscribe to it, love doesn't work for me, been there done that.

 

[The Owl]

If you've read my posts on this board over the disastrous last 15 years, I tend to give significant weight to concepts/playcalling. A fast player can be made to look slow. A slow player can be hidden. A slow guy can be schemed open - ****, watch crappy Notre Dame's underneath "pick" plays. Etc.

Problem that confuses me is we've seen a little of everything and it doesn't align. For instance, Richt spent part of his career talking about F'IN CROSSING ROUTE concepts. Now more than ever, we see these concepts used at all levels. Last night's KC vs NE game? We saw a handful of vertical concepts be successful and a lot of crossers used to move the sticks.

Do we use them? Not a lot. Malik can't hit a dude standing in front of him most of the time, so forget a moving target. However, I expected "ok, Perry can and has shown he can throw an accurate ball. Do we see it? Not a lot. Here and there, I guess.

So I'm not really asking questions I know the answers to. This is a math that doesn't seem to add up.

I didn't mean for my post to come off negative to what you were saying or the questions you were asking. I just meant that it seemed you already had an idea that the foundation of the team's offensive struggles are due to coaching and not due to lack of talent. If people are really sitting here saying these kids are only sophomores and that's why we aren't producing, they are trying to avoid the big elephant in the room. The team has a coaching problem because there isn't an offensive coach on the team that has a high enough level of football IQ in regards to strategic offensive game planning. It has been evident in many games and was blatant in the opening game vs LSU. When you have six months to prepare for a team and you don't do anything different from the last three games that your team lost, it shows a complete lack of ability to adjust strategically. It also shows a lack of being able to design game plans based on the personnel of your team and the team you are facing. Take the Pats (even though I hate them), for example, they will have a week where their game plan is predicated on leaning towards more power running concepts (especially when they had Blount) rather than a heavy passing attack. Then the very next week, they barely run the ball and put an emphasis on throwing the ball the majority of the game. They almost look like a completely different offensive team. They adjust their offensive philosophy to the teams they are playing and never let teams feel they can figure out what type of game plan they are going to show up with. This is the basis as to why they can consistently put up points. When a defense has to game plan for several different offensive philosophies in one week, it makes it very hard for the opposing team to feel they are fully prepared going into the game. This is already a long-winded post but there is also a lack of ability by our offensive coaches to get our playmakers matched up against linebackers and safeties in space .Reid did a great job last night of being able to get Hunt matched up with linebackers on the Pats especially Hightower who struggles in coverage. He also was able to get Tyreek one on one with safeties down the field which led to that big play near end of the game. Richt struggles to do any of these things.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

They basically just ran it down their throats, which is what I expected us to do. I mentioned on last week's podcast I was worried about this game. But, I thought we'd win because I looked at their opponents' offensive lines and found teams did work against them. Somehow, we couldn't. Almost all those teams would kill to have at least a few of our OL guys and definitely our skill position guys on their squads.

I'm at a loss. We're not worse than those teams from a talent standpoint. I'm with you on the checkdowns, but only worries me more. We either don't teach to check down or don't teach it well. Not sure which would be a scarier problem.

sucks for sure. I think the last two games we haven't been really good up the middle. I think CMR said as much when he said that Jones/Boulware would be battling it out at RG. Lets hope we don't see much of mahoney anymore.

Here's another thing. This is just about the same team, offensively speaking, that we had last year. We just have more freshman that will be good, but you can't rely on Frosh. Why is everyone so shocked at what we are doing or where we are at offensively. I was hoping Kosi was going to take us higher, but now i can see see was given a very small amount. I hope he outplays 12 these next two weeks, trots out there the first series against BC and rights this ship.

Like i said earlier, we lost this game on coaching, but playcalling/scheme is down on the list of coaching decisions that lost us this game.

 

[Bennubird]

Then you get it to him underneath! Get the ball into your playmakers hands and let them make plays.
You don't ask a freshman qb to throw 4 verticles on his first road start at the beginning of a game.

We have enough athletes at the skill positions to be able to take what defenses are willing to give us and run with it.

Great post. But not only that, UVA was playing man under with two safeties high, and their CBs were playing 5-10 yards off the ball and hedging for over the top. Also, I think those verticals sent all our receivers deep. No chance at completing those. I remember initially screaming at Nkosi to "throw it" because he was holding the ball so long. Then the next time, I could see the problem and realized the play had NO chance based on the coverage. Richt's play calling simply does not allow our QBs to get in any sort of rhythm. Think back to the FSU game when we ran the ball into eight and nine man fronts on first and second down, and then asked Nkosi to make a tough throw on an obvious passing down rather than taking what the defense gave us on first down.

What's worse, is that Richt could have very easily gotten Perry warmed up with the short passing game against UVA, if he had called underneath routes because UVA's CBs basically conceded everything in front of them. Looking at their DBs pre-snap alignment, we literally just lost to D'Onofrio's pass defense. And that was a bad UVA team. I mean really bad. Their QB was playing with four fingers on his passing hand, and I believe the announcers said their defense was missing four starters. They opened with almost back to back turnovers. That game should have been over at the half.

The loss cuts deep, but Richt throwing the offense under the bus by implication including our QBs rather than directly taking responsibility for our poor play is even worse than the loss because it suggests he thinks he can fix this by tweaking something and putting more pressure on our QBs and other offensive players (OL) to be perfect. Nkosi and Malik could have had all night to throw those deep balls and no receiver running a vertical route was going to be open because that was the one thing UVA definitely wanted to take away based on the defense they played.

Another problem is that both of our QBs pre-determine where they are going with the ball. In fact, I think Richt has decided before hand where he thinks the ball should go. Remember back during the Fall scrimmage when he said he called a play that caused Nkosi or Jarren to commit an int? At the time, I thought "good" coach is taking up for his young QB, which was the case, but now I'm thinking Richt pre-determines where the ball is to go on certain plays. That makes no sense in today's game and especially when running what appears to me to be some sort of hybrid spread/wanna be pro-style offense with RPO. I say that because the game within the game is fluid and dynamic when using RPO, and the QB has to be able to decide where to go with the ball based on what the defense does on a given play while the play is taking place. The game has changed, and Richt seems to want to turn back the clock or to not keep up with it.

Running the ball into an eight or nine man front to pound teams was cool up to about a decade or so ago. That attitude is on display whenever Choc enters the field of play. Sure, nothing wrong with being able to pound it to get an important first down, we can all appreciate that, but your offense should be dynamic enough that the defense has no idea what you might do even when Choc does come on the field in a short yardage situation or when you come out in a certain formation. With us everyone knows what we're going to do based on personnel groups and formation. I bet more than half the board can call out or plays when they see the personnel and the formation, and if we can do it then you know DCs for other teams can.

Very frustrating to be in this position in year three. And I am not optimistic that our offense will look much different in two weeks. I just don't think Richt is capable of making the changes necessary to fix the problems. If he was, he would have done so already.

 

[Utoronto]

I like yards per play. It's a simple, catch-all stat that isolates effectiveness on both sides of the ball. Several analytically inclined coaches (including Manny Diaz) really emphasize this metric.

Here are Al Golden's average yards-per-play rankings at Miami:

Offense- 21
Defense- 71

This made sense, as he often had explosive, big-play offenses (led by guys like Duke and Dorsett) and defenses that couldn't get off the field.

Manny Diaz changed the defense immediately. Our average defensive ranking jumped 62 spots, to 9th.

The offense is a different story. It slipped 23 spots, to 44th. This year, we are 62nd.

The bye comes at a bad time for fans but a good time for the coaches. I don't expect Richt to come back with the 2018 Rams offense. But I'm hoping he adjusts like he did after the four-game losing streak in 2016.

Richt asked to be accountable for the offense when he took the job. There is nothing wrong with the fans giving him what he asked for.

Just out of curiosity, do you know what the offensive ranking was during Richt's first year with Kaaya still at QB?

 

[Deleted member 16870]

jesus christ could call the plays & it wouldnt matter. Its the scheme. The plays needed do not exist.

The OC creates the scheme.........

 

[jjjrcanes]

DMoney,

Good post. I think Miami's two biggest adjustments should be finding someone to call plays on offense and hiring a real special teams coach. Both would improve this team tremendously.

Don't forget we also need a good OL coach as well! Pink slip for all!

 

[k9cane]

Then you get it to him underneath! Get the ball into your playmakers hands and let them make plays.
You don't ask a freshman qb to throw 4 verticles on his first road start at the beginning of a game.

We have enough athletes at the skill positions to be able to take what defenses are willing to give us and run with it.

it must be that JT4 is the only player in America to be doubled

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Great post. But not only that, UVA was playing man under with two safeties high, and their CBs were playing 5-10 yards off the ball and hedging for over the top. Also, I think those verticals sent all our receivers deep. No chance at completing those. I remember initially screaming at Nkosi to "throw it" because he was holding the ball so long. Then the next time, I could see the problem and realized the play had NO chance based on the coverage. Richt's play calling simply does not allow our QBs to get in any sort of rhythm. Think back to the FSU game when we ran the ball into eight and nine man fronts on first and second down, and then asked Nkosi to make a tough throw on an obvious passing down rather than taking what the defense gave us on first down.

What's worse, is that Richt could have very easily gotten Perry warmed up with the short passing game against UVA, if he had called underneath routes because UVA's CBs basically conceded everything in front of them. Looking at their DBs pre-snap alignment, we literally just lost to D'Onofrio's pass defense. And that was a bad UVA team. I mean really bad. Their QB was playing with four fingers on his passing hand, and I believe the announcers said their defense was missing four starters. They opened with almost back to back turnovers. That game should have been over at the half.

The loss cuts deep, but Richt throwing the offense under the bus by implication including our QBs rather than directly taking responsibility for our poor play is even worse than the loss because it suggests he thinks he can fix this by tweaking something and putting more pressure on our QBs and other offensive players (OL) to be perfect. Nkosi and Malik could have had all night to throw those deep balls and no receiver running a vertical route was going to be open because that was the one thing UVA definitely wanted to take away based on the defense they played.

Another problem is that both of our QBs pre-determine where they are going with the ball. In fact, I think Richt has decided before hand where he thinks the ball should go. Remember back during the Fall scrimmage when he said he called a play that caused Nkosi or Jarren to commit an int? At the time, I thought "good" coach is taking up for his young QB, which was the case, but now I'm thinking Richt pre-determines where the ball is to go on certain plays. That makes no sense in today's game and especially when running what appears to me to be some sort of hybrid spread/wanna be pro-style offense with RPO. I say that because the game within the game is fluid and dynamic when using RPO, and the QB has to be able to decide where to go with the ball based on what the defense does on a given play while the play is taking place. The game has changed, and Richt seems to want to turn back the clock or to not keep up with it.

Running the ball into an eight or nine man front to pound teams was cool up to about a decade or so ago. That attitude is on display whenever Choc enters the field of play. Sure, nothing wrong with being able to pound it to get an important first down, we can all appreciate that, but your offense should be dynamic enough that the defense has no idea what you might do even when Choc does come on the field in a short yardage situation or when you come out in a certain formation. With us everyone knows what we're going to do based on personnel groups and formation. I bet more than half the board can call out or plays when they see the personnel and the formation, and if we can do it then you know DCs for other teams can.

Very frustrating to be in this position in year three. And I am not optimistic that our offense will look much different in two weeks. I just don't think Richt is capable of making the changes necessary to fix the problems. If he was, he would have done so already.

All of this. Remember the App St game a couple of years ago — we killed them with short/quick passes because that’s what the defense was giving us. That’s what the gameplan should have been against UVA. Instead we waste 3 quarters trying to establish a running game that isn’t there and throwing low percentage deep balls into double coverage.

 

[deleted18380]

The issue really is this. There are a host of coaches that can call better plays than CMR. You can throw a dart out the window and probably hit one. CMR is doing exactly what he did at UGA and it's not good news for the U. I'm not going to summarize but check this article out. A ton of similarities.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/469429

If CMR decides to hire a coordinator or maybe promote from within they will still be running his show and his crappy system.

Wow...stomach did flips while reading that article. Replace a few names and that article might as well be about 2018 Miami.

What we're dealing with is a chronic issue and a man who apparently does not learn from his mistakes. Unreal.

 

[hcanes100]

When was the last time we really saw consistent let er rip bombs dropped TDs. Like hitting a flat out in stride WR not missing a beat bomb of a TD. Been a long time.