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LuCane said:
You don’t find it at least curious that both of our QBs massively predetermine their decisions based on pre-snap reads? That they both consistently throw very low % throws?

Even when given time by an OL everyone likes to throw under the bus, there are countless quotes to back up that our HC/OC and QB walk into plays ‘thinking something will be there,’ and it colors their decisions. Look at quotes referencing the pick N’Kosi threw in his first game. Look at good throws - the 3rd and 10 to thomas against FSU and the Jordan TD. People say ‘oh, he looked the safety off.’ Nah. He more likely predetermined he’d look away to hold a safety so he could go to his pre-snap read.

Blaming Malik (or young N’Kosi) for being inaccurate or making poor decisions is like blaming an **** for burning after massive diarrhea caused by ingesting uncooked chicken burritos and washing them down with faucet water from Mexico.
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So you agree the RPO is merida? I watch for QB's going through progressions, Perry does it much more than 12.
Richt said both of Perry's picks were probably on the receivers after the game. (I don't agree on one).
 
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plrwkyes said:
screen, jet sweep or reverses. at least give the defense something to think about
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we tried the screen...blown up once, 6 yards the other.

Not sure we want to run reverses, we all complain about long developing plays. Jet sweeps, sure, i don't think its a cure all though
 
How were Golden's special teams ranked. Now it's high school bad, completely unacceptable with the players available to them. It's bad joke level.
 
hcanes100 said:
So you agree the RPO is merida?
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I think our use of it is garbage. I watch countless NFL, College and HS teams use it with ease. I’m not kidding when I say I’ve watched Texas High schools operate a more cohesive offense. I can’t answer why because I don’t know the reasons we run what we run, but it’s not complicated to watch how we [fail to] challenge defenses.
 
Jr's playbook is probably full of plays only 10 to 15 years old...so that would be a step in the right direction.
 
LuCane said:
You don’t find it at least curious that both of our QBs massively predetermine their decisions based on pre-snap reads? That they both consistently throw very low % throws?

Even when given time by an OL everyone likes to throw under the bus, there are countless quotes to back up that our HC/OC and QB walk into plays ‘thinking something will be there,’ and it colors their decisions. Look at quotes referencing the pick N’Kosi threw in his first game. Look at good throws - the 3rd and 10 to thomas against FSU and the Jordan TD. People say ‘oh, he looked the safety off.’ Nah. He more likely predetermined he’d look away to hold a safety so he could go to his pre-snap read.

Blaming Malik (or young N’Kosi) for being inaccurate or making poor decisions is like blaming an **** for burning after massive diarrhea caused by ingesting uncooked chicken burritos and washing them down with Mexican faucet water.
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EVERY COACH AND QB IN AMERICA DO THIS. you're better than this...trying to make it look like CMR is the only person who does this haha.

I don't think Malik is coached to throw the deep ball every time, i don't think Perry is coached to throw the deep ball every time, i don't think Perry is taught to bail on a clean pocket and wide open receivers. Perry's MO coming in Miami was he bailed quick and tried to play playground ball right? Seems like that is what he does. The majority of his throws on tape were deep ball iirc. This is what you get with young QBs and shoddy OL play
 
hcanes100 said:
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Posted this play as an example of everything that is wrong with 12 and why Cager was right. This is the play that 12 threw to Pope out of the end zone. You see that is obviously the dumbest option here.
Has beautiful protection. All he has to do is GO THROUGH HIS PROGRESSIONS. ****, same slot in progression sees CAGER wide open for a 1st down. Second option would be back shoulder to Wiggins on the again, 1st down marker. Or he can wait for a releasing JT for a probable touch down.
Last but not least is a two fer option with back running out of the back field to either dump to, or imagine this, run through the friggin hole that a Mack Truck could have went through.....
This is why 12 is the wrong QB here. He absolutely locks in on one option. For an RPO QB, that can't fly. Just have to go through progessions in an RPO O

and some wonder why his comp % is crap.

We kicked a FG cause he passed out of the endzone on this play.
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And this is the same look they showed all day defensively. When the RB ran out to the flat he had 5 yards every single time if you wanted to take it. If you wanted more, the middle of the field was open between the LB and FS. If Dallas ran out to the flat on the field side and Thomas ran a short post or something back to the middle of the field on this play right around the 5... he would have been open. It was every single time. Their fans were asking why we weren't using the middle of the field. I get it that Richt is on the field calling plays.. but if his son can't radio down from the booth and tell him what everyone else saw... he doesn't need to be there.

Or if little Richt did tell him and he refused to exploit it.... then idk what to say
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
EVERY COACH AND QB IN AMERICA DO THIS. you're better than this...trying to make it look like CMR is the only person who does this haha.

I don't think Malik is coached to throw the deep ball every time, i don't think Perry is coached to throw the deep ball every time, i don't think Perry is taught to bail on a clean pocket and wide open receivers. Perry's MO coming in Miami was he bailed quick and tried to play playground ball right? Seems like that is what he does. The majority of his throws on tape were deep ball iirc. This is what you get with young QBs and shoddy OL play
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I appreciate your defensiveness of Richt. He really does seem like a good guy. And, I’ve mentioned countless times he knows more offense than all of us combined. But I didn’t make it seem like he is the only coach in America who walks his QB through pre-snaps. Instead, I referenced too much reliance on it.

We overly predetermine our reads now with two QBs. Without giving them as much pre-snap help as other coaches give their QBs. That’s not really debatable. Count the times we run players across or across and back in our formations. If some can’t accept we run an extremely straightforward offense and rely a disproportionate amount on ‘perfect execution,’ then we’re ignoring what Coach Richt says himself.

Blaming QBs is cheap and superficial. We know what they both are. If you want them to do better, how about some more evidence of helping them? You can’t really find it to be total coincidence our QBs struggle with the same low % throws, right? Malik is wildly inaccurate and seemingly uprepared. N’Kosi can throw an accurate ball, but basically is jumpy, hesitant and overanticipates. At some point, while they deserve the obvious blame for having those deficiencies, it’s someone’s job to at least change the shape of the round hole they’re trying to shoehorn these square pegs into.
 
The reason that I am so friggin against the RPO is that the Offensive line is left in quandary. It requires them to block for both the run and the pass in the same play. It is challenging at best. It makes a talent like Donaldson look like crap.

Young lineman have a really difficult time with RPO, it is why the O line looks so much better in designed plays. It is why most over criticize the O line like Lu is saying. You are killing your Oline in an RPO offense.

Not everyone can run it like the Philly Eagles do.
 
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LuCane said:
We overly predetermine our reads now with two QBs. Without giving them as much pre-snap help as other coaches give their QBs. That’s not really debatable. Count the times we run players across or across and back in our formations. If some can’t accept we run an extremely straightforward offense and rely a disproportionate amount on ‘perfect execution,’ then we’re ignoring what Coach Richt says himself.
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Yeah this part is spot on, one of the biggest things I can’t understand about our offense is that while we constantly run no huddle to keep the other team from subbing (ok with that) if we’re not also going to go uptempo, the whole point then is to use that time to make pre snap adjustments, I.e. use motion to check coverages, snap changes to see where blitzes are coming from etc
 
LuCane said:
I appreciate your defensiveness of Richt. He really does seem like a good guy. And, I’ve mentioned countless times he knows more offense than all of us combined. But I didn’t make it seem like he is the only coach in America who walks his QB through pre-snaps. Instead, I referenced too much reliance on it.

We overly predetermine our reads now with two QBs. Without giving them as much pre-snap help as other coaches give their QBs. That’s not really debatable. Count the times we run players across or across and back in our formations. If some can’t accept we run an extremely straightforward offense and rely a disproportionate amount on ‘perfect execution,’ then we’re ignoring what Coach Richt says himself.

Blaming QBs is cheap and superficial. We know what they both are. If you want them to do better, how about some more evidence of helping them? You can’t really find it to be total coincidence our QBs struggle with the same low % throws, right? Malik is wildly inaccurate and seemingly uprepared. N’Kosi can throw an accurate ball, but basically is jumpy, hesitant and overanticipates. At some point, while they deserve the obvious blame for having those deficiencies, it’s someone’s job to at least change the shape of the round hole they’re trying to shoehorn these square pegs into.
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This is you projecting your beliefs on a situation that you don't really KNOW. You think you do based on what your eyes are seeing. I don't disagree one bit that we seem to be predetermining with 12. HOwever to your point i think 12 was night and day different in the second half. Something our coaching was doing was working cause he was taking what the D gave him. WE're just soooooo limited with 12.

As for 5 i do think he is trying to force the ball to Harley. I think they have the best repoire with each other and he looks for him. Again EVERY QB does that. Go back and look at both INTs. You'll see Jordan hooked up over the center with a good pocket and an easy 5 yard gain, why didn't we throw it? Want more proof? Look at the second INT. We had a quick out to the short field for an easy gain. Again why didn't we take it? You can lead a horse, but you can't make them drink.

It was bad it was horrible. I think CMRs biggest knock is he has no rhythm to his play calling, i think he has a feel for it, but rhythm is another thing. Concepts are fine, vanilla...sure, but we have multiple people open.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
This is you projecting your beliefs on a situation that you don't really KNOW. You think you do based on what your eyes are seeing. I don't disagree one bit that we seem to be predetermining with 12. HOwever to your point i think 12 was night and day different in the second half. Something our coaching was doing was working cause he was taking what the D gave him. WE're just soooooo limited with 12.

As for 5 i do think he is trying to force the ball to Harley. I think they have the best repoire with each other and he looks for him. Again EVERY QB does that. Go back and look at both INTs. You'll see Jordan hooked up over the center with a good pocket and an easy 5 yard gain, why didn't we throw it? Want more proof? Look at the second INT. We had a quick out to the short field for an easy gain. Again why didn't we take it? You can lead a horse, but you can't make them drink.

It was bad it was horrible. I think CMRs biggest knock is he has no rhythm to his play calling, i think he has a feel for it, but rhythm is another thing. Concepts are fine, vanilla...sure, but we have multiple people open.
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Of course I don’t know the call. I can only go by the route combinations and make a guess (I always say I’m making a guess Bc I don’t have a headset). We didn’t consistently check down till it was way too late. I agree. But, we also didn’t even run route combinations across the field for like 90% of our plays. Almost everything we tossed was outbreaking...again.

I don’t get that because, as I’ve said, we actually have significant evidence of Richt and the crosses (in the past). Something is definitely off here with our approach. If we run another all vertical concept with Donaldson at RT in an obvious passing situation, is the blame fully on the OL or does the coach take some fault because of the likely % of success of those routes even being available?

We have big issues, man. I’m concerned, but about the same I’ve always been. I guess this is personal preference, but I prefer to go away from vanilla and not need our guys to have to be SO much better than their defenders. When you run some concepts at defenders literally running back prepared for them, %s go way down.

All in all, there has now been enough time that some of these excuses offered for Coach Richt are shaky at best. If it’s not the approach, then it’s the identifying and molding of the right QB. We should be more performant than some of the other teams who did work against UVA this year.

Appreciate the discussion, though, and I apologize for the frustrated tone. It’s impossible to hide right now.
 
TheChosenOne said:
I know this porst will get down voted to oblivion but is there ANY chance Richt Jr can call plays better then his dad? As far as I'm concerned James Coley who I think ran a better offense then Richt did not call plays at FSU or had any real play calling experience but he was young and had ideas he brought to the offense and made Kaaya look like a top 5 pick. At this rate, Richt Sr is going to reach Patrick Nix levels if he isn't already there.
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Lmao. I want no part of the Rich family tree or coaching tree to call plays. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
LuCane said:
Of course I don’t know the call. I can only go by the route combinations and make a guess (I always say I’m making a guess Bc I don’t have a headset). We didn’t consistently check down till it was way too late. I agree. But, we also didn’t even run route combinations across the field for like 90% of our plays. Almost everything we tossed was outbreaking...again.

I don’t get that because, as I’ve said, we actually have significant evidence of Richt and the crosses (in the past). Something is definitely off here with our approach. If we run another all vertical concept with Donaldson at RT in an obvious passing situation, is the blame fully on the OL or does the coach take some fault because of the likely % of success of those routes even being available?

We have big issues, man. I’m concerned, but about the same I’ve always been. I guess this is personal preference, but I prefer to go away from vanilla and not need our guys to have to be SO much better than their defenders. When you run some concepts at defenders literally running back prepared for them, %s go way down.

All in all, there has now been enough time that some of these excuses offered for Coach Richt are shaky at best. If it’s not the approach, then it’s the identifying and molding of the right QB. We should be more performant than some of the other teams who did work against UVA this year.

Appreciate the discussion, though, and I apologize for the frustrated tone. It’s impossible to hide right now.
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Could it be that Richt just doesn’t trust Rosier (and his terrible accuracy) and Perry (inexperienced and questionable decision making) to throw in the middle of the field? I could be wrong, but I thought we utilized the middle of the field with Kaaya as qb quite a lot.
 
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dwreck27 said:
the AD or the BOTs need to have a sit down with Richt and let him know....

A.) Hire a real OC

B.) Fire your Son and get a real QB coach in there and enough with the nepotism amateur hour
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Apparently Georgia has rules for nepotism in place. Why the fck don't we have one? Mork is trying to build Jorn's "resume" but it's backfiring. Anyone can see he's not fit to coach, period. He will never get any high school coaching job, let alone any P5 job.
 
DMoney said:
I like yards per play. It's a simple, catch-all stat that isolates effectiveness on both sides of the ball. Several analytically inclined coaches (including Manny Diaz) really emphasize this metric.

Here are Al Golden's average yards-per-play rankings at Miami:

Offense- 21
Defense- 71

This made sense, as he often had explosive, big-play offenses (led by guys like Duke and Dorsett) and defenses that couldn't get off the field.

Manny Diaz changed the defense immediately. Our average defensive ranking jumped 62 spots, to 9th.

The offense is a different story. It slipped 23 spots, to 44th. This year, we are 62nd.

The bye comes at a bad time for fans but a good time for the coaches. I don't expect Richt to come back with the 2018 Rams offense. But I'm hoping he adjusts like he did after the four-game losing streak in 2016.

Richt asked to be accountable for the offense when he took the job. There is nothing wrong with the fans giving him what he asked for.
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In 2016 we were 22nd in yards per play. Biggest difference is the qb play. I’m not saying there isn’t more Richt could do to diversify the offense and make it easier for the qbs, but we can’t discount the fact that our qb options right now are pretty terrible with Rosier and Perry.
 
CanesSkins26 said:
Could it be that Richt just doesn’t trust Rosier (and his terrible accuracy) and Perry (inexperienced and questionable decision making) to throw in the middle of the field? I could be wrong, but I thought we utilized the middle of the field with Kaaya as qb quite a lot.
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That’s what I prayed it is during the last podcast. But, if that is the case, Jarren williams should have been placed in enough scenarios during Spring and Fall to be our starting QB. With Kaaya, Richt’s first year, we didn’t effectively utilize the middle of the field till about the UNC game. And that was with a first round TE. It’s like Coach Richt defaults to caution and believes that safety is outside the hashes. Then, he adjusts. It’s a worrisome tendency for obvious reasons. I have no doubt he’ll adjust now. I just don’t think that’s the test. Our next test is do we continue to adjust and evolve or remain stagnant until we have no choice...again.
 
By the way, I’m a huge proponent of yards/play as it relates to coordinating a side of the ball, but I look at 3rd down conversion as a key indicator for game day play calling on either side of the ball.

Diaz has improved (so far) this year. Generally, we are still significantly below where we can be in terms of 3rd down conversions on offense. Look at LSU, FSU and UVA numbers. The UNC numbers were too small a sample (6 attempts) because of the unusual defensive scores.
 
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