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Simple but alarming stat

People are still defending Richt's s-hit play calling? Let me guess, Richt just needs a QB and his offense is going to tear up the CFB world, right? I'm sure DCs around the country are losing a bunch of sleep over it.
 
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LuCane said:
Of course I don’t know the call. I can only go by the route combinations and make a guess (I always say I’m making a guess Bc I don’t have a headset). We didn’t consistently check down till it was way too late. I agree. But, we also didn’t even run route combinations across the field for like 90% of our plays. Almost everything we tossed was outbreaking...again.

I don’t get that because, as I’ve said, we actually have significant evidence of Richt and the crosses (in the past). Something is definitely off here with our approach. If we run another all vertical concept with Donaldson at RT in an obvious passing situation, is the blame fully on the OL or does the coach take some fault because of the likely % of success of those routes even being available?

We have big issues, man. I’m concerned, but about the same I’ve always been. I guess this is personal preference, but I prefer to go away from vanilla and not need our guys to have to be SO much better than their defenders. When you run some concepts at defenders literally running back prepared for them, %s go way down.

All in all, there has now been enough time that some of these excuses offered for Coach Richt are shaky at best. If it’s not the approach, then it’s the identifying and molding of the right QB. We should be more performant than some of the other teams who did work against UVA this year.

Appreciate the discussion, though, and I apologize for the frustrated tone. It’s impossible to hide right now.
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No apologies needed for frustrated tone. I get it and i am too. I just don't think it's all playcalling & Scheme concepts. You made some great points up above that concern is warranted and i share it. I would just rather vent at the right things if that makes any sense. We lost this game cause of coaching and it had nothing to do with playcalling or scheme/concepts. Just wish our collective ire was better placed.

However there are things the players can do to help themselves and coaches can do to help themselves. I italicized the one line above cause i think that it's another lame misconception thrown out by every fan base. We don't have to have overwhelming players that are so much better than the rest to succeed. **** i would take ALEX GALL right now. But we need Mahoney, jones, gauthier, Boulware to either be better than what they are or we need better players there. I think it's a combo of both, but we are WEAK up the middle and it shows. i think donaldson is a step in the right direction there, but we need better. Some of the big spots and big moments we come up short we are getting beat 1 v 1 where it matters most. That isn't play call or concept.

But since i picked on the players a little of bit i will pick on the coaching. As i said we are weak up the middle. no push, driven back like whoa on zone schemes, sustaining blocks is problematic. I really wish, and i can't believe i am going to type this, the OL would go with splits like The Pirate has his OL. Really, really wide splits. The D still has to line up the same, but you create natural running lanes, and i think it also helps our blockers keep people off their legs. I would like to see us try this as a way to buy a coupe extra "ticks" as well as give natural throwing and running lanes.

I value the actual discussion and not just ranting. We have problems, but and this is just me, OC/Scheme/concepts is a little lower on the list than people realize.
 
Richt runs a predictable, slow, unimaginative, mistaken ridden offense. I don’t need to see those statistics. Just watch college football games across the country and you’ll see well coached teams execute. Richt was proven to me he is NOT AN OC and has zero clue what it takes to be successful in college football TODAY! You guys just don’t want to admit it just like Golden.
 
Miami is ranked 126th in net punting, 121st punt return defense and 114th in kick off return coverage defense. If I had to rank what to work on biggest bang for the buck it would be,

1. Offensive Line run and pass protection
2. Special Teams punting and kickoff defensive coverage
3. Play calling

Play calling is third because if the OL does an average job, average play calling still works. If our OL can't execute our schemes as they are now I don't have any confidence they would be able to perform in a different scheme to offset any weaknesses. I'm not blaming the OL so much as bad coaching and not recruiting properly.
 
Al refused to fire his friend and it caused him his job, If MR refuses make the necessary changes to the offense we will have another head coach in the near future.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
No apologies needed for frustrated tone. I get it and i am too. I just don't think it's all playcalling & Scheme concepts. You made some great points up above that concern is warranted and i share it. I would just rather vent at the right things if that makes any sense. We lost this game cause of coaching and it had nothing to do with playcalling or scheme/concepts. Just wish our collective ire was better placed.

However there are things the players can do to help themselves and coaches can do to help themselves. I italicized the one line above cause i think that it's another lame misconception thrown out by every fan base. We don't have to have overwhelming players that are so much better than the rest to succeed. **** i would take ALEX GALL right now. But we need Mahoney, jones, gauthier, Boulware to either be better than what they are or we need better players there. I think it's a combo of both, but we are WEAK up the middle and it shows. i think donaldson is a step in the right direction there, but we need better. Some of the big spots and big moments we come up short we are getting beat 1 v 1 where it matters most. That isn't play call or concept.

But since i picked on the players a little of bit i will pick on the coaching. As i said we are weak up the middle. no push, driven back like whoa on zone schemes, sustaining blocks is problematic. I really wish, and i can't believe i am going to type this, the OL would go with splits like The Pirate has his OL. Really, really wide splits. The D still has to line up the same, but you create natural running lanes, and i think it also helps our blockers keep people off their legs. I would like to see us try this as a way to buy a coupe extra "ticks" as well as give natural throwing and running lanes.

I value the actual discussion and not just ranting. We have problems, but and this is just me, OC/Scheme/concepts is a little lower on the list than people realize.
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For one, I never say it's "all" scheme/concepts/playcalling. Just like I never say it's all players. You come off as a very reasonable guy and I genuinely appreciate the discussion. So I'll pose this question to you I've posed elsewhere:

Admitting we have OL flaws (and QB flaws), do you think we have worse players - OL specifically, and perhaps combination of OL and skill position - than teams like Indiana, Sanford and a host of others who objectively perform better against a common opponent? Because your mention of Alex Gall brought up something strange I see. I've mentioned in a couple threads Nick Linder wouldn't start here, but he starts on a team that had more success against UVA than we did. It's just one example, but in line with my belief our [flawed] roster is still better than other teams' rosters who've produced better. Another thing is something as simple as Jeff Thomas' touches. On the season, he has probably as many touches as other teams get a player of his caliber in one game.

With absolutely no sarcasm, I'm asking for your perspective on that because I haven't yet received a good (or even any) response.
 
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Here is what I think is a pretty simple takeaway from our offense at this point, whether you like our scheme, playcalling, rhythm, etc. - we have way too hard of a time getting the ball to our playmakers in a position for them to utilize their various skills. In offensive football at all levels, the goal is obviously to let your most talented players handle the ball at points on the field where they can be dangerous, whether it's an option QB running the option, a powerful RB running between the tackles, a speedy RB in space, big WRs against smaller CBs, fast WRs in space, etc. In football today, many teams with less overall talent, less talent on the OL, less talent at RB, less talent at WR, and less talent at QB, have managed to find ways to get the ball to their playmakers, whether that's through a pro-style offense, option offense, spread offense, etc.

For whatever reason, or more likely, for multiple reasons, we simply aren't able to do so consistently enough. Our offense just seems to work SO HARD to get any sort of consistency and/or explosiveness. Sure, our OL is not up to par, but does Texas Tech, or West Virginia, or Boise State, or whoever, have that much more talent on their OL than us? Most teams in the country would trade their offensive players for ours because we have enough talent across the board to be successful. Our WRs and our RBs are Miami-quality and we have depth there, and yet we can't find a way to score more than 13 points against Virginia? Richt's job is to find what his players can do effectively and coach to their strengths. N'Kosi Perry is a 4 star QB with a big arm and great athleticism. There is simply no excuse for not utilizing his strengths, while recognizing his weaknesses, and the weakness of our OL, to still find a way to have him get the ball to our playmakers in an easier way.
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
Same A hole that put Even Sherieffs into a meaningful game last year while we still had a chance to win said game.

That move last saturday, while horrible and ill timed, didn't shock me at all given what I've seen from Richt already. He has shown a propensity to panic and crack under pressure during his time here.
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He looks as lost out there as a tick on a teddy bear.
 
hcanes100 said:
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Posted this play as an example of everything that is wrong with 12 and why Cager was right. This is the play that 12 threw to Pope out of the end zone. You see that is obviously the dumbest option here.
Has beautiful protection. All he has to do is GO THROUGH HIS PROGRESSIONS. ****, same slot in progression sees CAGER wide open for a 1st down. Second option would be back shoulder to Wiggins on the again, 1st down marker. Or he can wait for a releasing JT for a probable touch down.
Last but not least is a two fer option with back running out of the back field to either dump to, or imagine this, run through the friggin hole that a Mack Truck could have went through.....
This is why 12 is the wrong QB here. He absolutely locks in on one option. For an RPO QB, that can't fly. Just have to go through progessions in an RPO O

and some wonder why his comp % is crap.

We kicked a FG cause he passed out of the endzone on this play.
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Back shoulder to Wiggins on an out route?
 
I know he hasn't called plays before.. but what would you guys think of Thomas Brown calling plays??? I wouldn't be opposed to giving him the keys at all.
 
LuCane said:
For one, I never say it's "all" scheme/concepts/playcalling. Just like I never say it's all players. You come off as a very reasonable guy and I genuinely appreciate the discussion. So I'll pose this question to you I've posed elsewhere:

Admitting we have OL flaws (and QB flaws), do you think we have worse players - OL specifically, and perhaps combination of OL and skill position - than teams like Indiana, Sanford and a host of others who objectively perform better against a common opponent? Because your mention of Alex Gall brought up something strange I see. I've mentioned in a couple threads Nick Linder wouldn't start here, but he starts on a team that had more success against UVA than we did. It's just one example, but in line with my belief our [flawed] roster is still better than other teams' rosters who've produced better.

With absolutely no sarcasm, I'm asking for your perspective on that because I haven't yet gotten a good (or even any) response.
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Indiana played them first game of the year in a driving rainstorm, at home, if i am not mistaken correct? There are outside circumstances, but you have a fair point.

I would like to look at their line and their OL coach. Point blank jury is out on Searles. I think i like how he's recruited, but to me the litmus test is Neal. We don't get Neal he should find a pink slip. I'm not a fan of his rotations, not sure he's a great recruiter, not sure our guys are "ready" and for some reason good OL coaches don't really go to App St and VT from LSU and UGA (id like to know why). So that is what i would ike to know first. who is their coach (up front coaching matters most i believe). Then i'd like to konw if the new OC/HC is from the previous guys tree? Reason being if the concepts, terminology are the same from the previous then these kids have been drilled for years now.

I'd also like to see their trigger man. It makes all the difference and i knew we were in trouble when the night before the game Kosi is trying to troll panhandle school instead of being fully focuses on UVA. Doesn't have to be transcedent, but someone who has been there before. Maturity & Experience matters much at the QB position. It has nothing to do with Class year, age, years played. Maturity is maturity and is a must at QB. If their guy knows what to do with the right checks in the system through experience and has seen the coverages you see on Saturdays then things are easier.

I do think good play callers help. I feel CMR is alright, not good, not great. Scheme/concepts are fine, IMO. I do think it would help to get someone else besides his son to help diagnose what is going on out there and to help him line up plays. But i also think that anyone who is anything on our offense outside of Homer is young too. They're all true sophomores or freshman. We might have talent, but when ALL your talent are Freshman what do you really have? bad plays and mistakes will happen, but i think he realizes what he has on D and doens't want to give games away from the qb spot.
 
10cane said:
I know he hasn't called plays before.. but what would you guys think of Thomas Brown calling plays??? I wouldn't be opposed to giving him the keys at all.
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I'd take any change at this point but I don't think that move would do any good. Brown is being groomed by CMR in his philosophy. This wouldn't be any different than Bobo at UGA. The only way I'd be down for this would be Brown having full control to call what he wants, when he wants in any situation. No meddling from Rick. I just don't see it happening.
 
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10cane said:
I know he hasn't called plays before.. but what would you guys think of Thomas Brown calling plays??? I wouldn't be opposed to giving him the keys at all.
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No one from Richt's tree please. I would love for Brown to stay on as RBs coach if he's willing to accept the demotion for the sake of the team. We need a new mind to oversee and steer this offense with all these lethal weapons at his disposal. A good OC whose looking to elevate his coaching status would jump on board
 
Cane1835 said:
Richt believes in his 30 year old playbook ...we need to out athlete everyone regardless of offensive style. He needs two more recruiting classes 2019 and 2020 is what he is banking on to prove his point.
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That is a fact, but what he’s recruiting are a bunch of JAGS. We need more recruits with real potential.
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
The fact you say that is more of an indictment of Richt the play caller than anything else. Coley was bad, just less bad.
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Coley could script plays with the best of them. Once he ran his first 10 and had to call the rest of the game as the defense adjusted he called half back passes in blizzards.
 
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