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BoxingRobes said:
You're a corch until you are not.

...and Manny Diaz was still a corch after beating the worst Florida State team in like 50 years. What else do you expect when he and his rinky dink operation take on a real professional outfit like what is going on in Clemson?
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Unfortunately Diaz is learning on the job.

He's a bright guy though and he's ruthless. That's what I'm holding onto as lord knows Blake James isn't going to fire him.
 
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OldhamA said:
Unfortunately Diaz is learning on the job.

He's a bright guy though and he's ruthless. That's what I'm holding onto as lord knows Blake James isn't going to fire him.
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Brother...he's a corch. He'll always be a corch.

He's not even particularly ruthless. His teams are consistently undisciplined. Someone that is "ruthless" runs a tight operation.
 
LuCane said:
We literally talked about this during the week. We pretty much let Clemson backers do what they do best (Blitz and fill inside) and rarely tested them to do what at least they MIGHT struggle with. We got suffocated through and through and counting on ‘better WRs’ is not enough. Well, if we ever expect to punch with teams like this.
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I don't recall ever testing their LB's in the passing game. I don't recall any passes to the RB's. Don't recall a single screen to the RB's. Just bombs to the WR's and inside run.
 
terdferguson said:
Dumbdounded that we didn't attach the middle of the field. One on one deep balls is something that all our starting wrs suck at. Knowing that fact, why the **** are we attempting that over and over and over again? My gripe with coaching for years has been doing things that don't play to our strengths. I thought we were beyond that with Lashlee.
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That’s the most frustrating part. Everyone on here says the same thing that our WRs are not good and can’t get separation and make contested catches. Yet the gameplan out of the bye week is to put it on our receivers.

I’m not a schematic scholar but there has to be a way to counter those fronts and we never did. We clearly weren’t prepared for it and we weren’t smart enough to develop an in game adjustment.
 
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LuCane said:
We literally talked about this during the week. We pretty much let Clemson backers do what they do best (Blitz and fill inside) and rarely tested them to do what at least they MIGHT struggle with. We got suffocated through and through and counting on ‘better WRs’ is not enough. Well, if we ever expect to punch with teams like this.
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Yea its really frustrating but I keep reminding myself that these guys are overpaid PE teachers.. Like I watched the games that matter and you can see hey, #9 is their guy, Sprint draw, delayed draw, Swing pass, Swing Screen, Screen, Wheel route, Jump pass, etc. They will get him the ball in any way possible, first half what is our game plan, same as always, leave flats open, we have one leg McCloud cover him on wheel route, when we did spy him and looked like we double him, Lawrence scrambles and fumbles.. We play like we just run base stuff and stick to it regardless of opponent.. Two weeks and you got Clemson running Oline stay still hike ball qb roll and let dline follow, throw back to TE play that they score on Dorito and Got Golden fired and they score again!

They got 1 week and they are calling out our plays, our checks, and every time seemed to have our reads down and all.. I said it after UAB when Manny was sooo surprised about them running a 4i tite front to get used to it because our next opponents will do it too, every week he says he is surprised they ran a different front defense.. We got a ways to go for big time.. If we think we can just come to game with a couple plays and out athlete clemson or play jamarr chase ball with freaking Harley, pope and Wiggins..

Covid really messed us up, Clemson was not gonna be on original schedule, we had some good competition like Wagner, temple, and UAB would look really good with weak *** coastal and wake forest cross over..
 
Coach Macho said:
We've still got a ways to go, fellas. Completely out-classed on all levels tonight. Embarrassed on the big stage once again, after a bye week, after "earning" a top-10 ranking.





*Lashlee
RUNNING GAME - I don't know WTF I watched tonight. It's like he went back to his UAB playbook. We saw ONE running play tonight, Inside Zone. Clemson employed an "Odd Tite" front during most running downs, which has the DE's line-up just inside the Offensive Tackles, making it almost impossible to run Inside Zone. There was very little effort from Lashlee to employ different running concepts. (maybe some Outside Zone, Counter or Speed Option?)WR

PASSNIG GAME - Hardly saw any Air Raid concepts tonight, everything was vertical and outside, which as I eluded to all week, are the lower percentage throws. Where were the crossing routes? Hitches? Slants? Venerables just left his CB's one-on-one with our WR's and dared us to throw deep. And we did. Over and over and over again with zero success. By the way, our WR corps is the product of poor recruiting and evaluations. We might have the worst WR talent I've seen at Miami in all my years of watching Cane's football. Even during the previous regime, we at least had ONE guy who could take the top off of a defense. (i.e. Phillip Dorsett or Travis Benjamin) We don't have anybody out there right now that scares opposing DC's, which is probably why any defense that plays press-man coverage versus us has success, even the FIU's and Dukes of the world. A guy like Tutu would've been nice to have tonight.


*Baker
I actually thought Baker called a decent game for the most part. He kept things pretty simple, we didn't see too much gimmicky stuff, did a good job spying Lawrence at times. There were still some fundamental/alignment issues that led to big plays. On Etienne's long TD run, we had no "overhang" player to the weak side. We were short-numbered. Of course Clemson was gonna pull Guards and run that way! People were giving McCloud **** for that play, but that was too much to ask of him. At the end of the day we still need better players. It's no coincidence that our only players on defense who flash are the 4/5 star guys. We're gonna need more of those because I don't know how well our staff can actually DEVELOP lower ranked guys.
It also doesn't help that we shot ourselves in the foot plenty times via timely penalties. Carter is a fvckin' crash dummy.

*Recruiting
I know a lot of yall love the underdog 3-star "developmental" types but for the most part the only players that looked like they belonged on the same field as Clemson were our 4/5 star guys. Sorry, it is what it is. That doesn't mean 3-star kids can't be good and help your team, cause lord knows I've lobbied for a few local ones, but WE HAVEN'T RECRUITED THE RIGHT ONES AT ALL. I thought the game plans on both offense and defense were very simple tonight. When the game plans are simple, you're relying on talent. And when it doesn't work, it's a lot easier to notice the talent deficiencies. Watching our outside WR's fail over and over again to exploit man coverage makes it very easy to see. There's no scheme involved there, it's just talent versus talent. I mean, they couldn't even adjust to the football while it was in the air and the CB's backs were turned. None of our upperclassmen WR's will even see an NFL try-out IMO. Then watching Blades get beat on slants, drop a pick-6 and give up a man-to-man deep ball on 3rd & long makes us realize that it would be nice to have at least ONE of those elite local CB's that we've missed on over the last few years.

*Culture
Poorly coached teams with questionable culture always act like we do during adversity and/or losses. Trash talking while you're getting blown out, tons of unnecessary unsportsmanlike penalties, bone-headed plays during money downs that prevent your defense from getting off the field, etc etc etc. I mean, we've already had 39 unsportsmanlike penalties and our DE is trying to smack the ball out of Lawrence's hands while he's laying on the ground. Just dumb immature ****.
Don't forget, this is the same staff that threw a champagne party in the locker room after winning a close game to Western Michigan (or whoever it was) and allowed dancing on the sidelines during losses to GT and FIU.
No way around it, we are a corny bunch. We've come a long way since the days of "I AIN'T SCARED OF YOU *****" during the coin toss.
Maybe there needs to be less gimmicks and more substance going forward, cause right now we're that bully that likes to flex on inferior dudes but folds when the big dawg walks into the room. And that causes outsiders to thoroughly enjoy our losses.
WE SIMPLY DON'T LOOK LIKE A TEAM WITH A LOT OF CONTROL AT THE TOP. Just my opinion.




To sum it up, I think there's a talent difference between the rosters AND coaching staffs and tonight's blow-out loss is evidence of that.
A loss like this can't be blamed on just one thing.
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Excellent post. Recruiting matters. Makes no sense that our DBs and especially our WRs look like trash when we are literally situated in the land of the most talented cornerbacks and WRs in the country. Smh. GO CANES!
 
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Coach Macho said:
We've still got a ways to go, fellas. Completely out-classed on all levels tonight. Embarrassed on the big stage once again, after a bye week, after "earning" a top-10 ranking.





*Lashlee
RUNNING GAME - I don't know WTF I watched tonight. It's like he went back to his UAB playbook. We saw ONE running play tonight, Inside Zone. Clemson employed an "Odd Tite" front during most running downs, which has the DE's line-up just inside the Offensive Tackles, making it almost impossible to run Inside Zone. There was very little effort from Lashlee to employ different running concepts. (maybe some Outside Zone, Counter or Speed Option?)WR

PASSNIG GAME - Hardly saw any Air Raid concepts tonight, everything was vertical and outside, which as I eluded to all week, are the lower percentage throws. Where were the crossing routes? Hitches? Slants? Venerables just left his CB's one-on-one with our WR's and dared us to throw deep. And we did. Over and over and over again with zero success. By the way, our WR corps is the product of poor recruiting and evaluations. We might have the worst WR talent I've seen at Miami in all my years of watching Cane's football. Even during the previous regime, we at least had ONE guy who could take the top off of a defense. (i.e. Phillip Dorsett or Travis Benjamin) We don't have anybody out there right now that scares opposing DC's, which is probably why any defense that plays press-man coverage versus us has success, even the FIU's and Dukes of the world. A guy like Tutu would've been nice to have tonight.


*Baker
I actually thought Baker called a decent game for the most part. He kept things pretty simple, we didn't see too much gimmicky stuff, did a good job spying Lawrence at times. There were still some fundamental/alignment issues that led to big plays. On Etienne's long TD run, we had no "overhang" player to the weak side. We were short-numbered. Of course Clemson was gonna pull Guards and run that way! People were giving McCloud **** for that play, but that was too much to ask of him. At the end of the day we still need better players. It's no coincidence that our only players on defense who flash are the 4/5 star guys. We're gonna need more of those because I don't know how well our staff can actually DEVELOP lower ranked guys.
It also doesn't help that we shot ourselves in the foot plenty times via timely penalties. Carter is a fvckin' crash dummy.

*Recruiting
I know a lot of yall love the underdog 3-star "developmental" types but for the most part the only players that looked like they belonged on the same field as Clemson were our 4/5 star guys. Sorry, it is what it is. That doesn't mean 3-star kids can't be good and help your team, cause lord knows I've lobbied for a few local ones, but WE HAVEN'T RECRUITED THE RIGHT ONES AT ALL. I thought the game plans on both offense and defense were very simple tonight. When the game plans are simple, you're relying on talent. And when it doesn't work, it's a lot easier to notice the talent deficiencies. Watching our outside WR's fail over and over again to exploit man coverage makes it very easy to see. There's no scheme involved there, it's just talent versus talent. I mean, they couldn't even adjust to the football while it was in the air and the CB's backs were turned. None of our upperclassmen WR's will even see an NFL try-out IMO. Then watching Blades get beat on slants, drop a pick-6 and give up a man-to-man deep ball on 3rd & long makes us realize that it would be nice to have at least ONE of those elite local CB's that we've missed on over the last few years.

*Culture
Poorly coached teams with questionable culture always act like we do during adversity and/or losses. Trash talking while you're getting blown out, tons of unnecessary unsportsmanlike penalties, bone-headed plays during money downs that prevent your defense from getting off the field, etc etc etc. I mean, we've already had 39 unsportsmanlike penalties and our DE is trying to smack the ball out of Lawrence's hands while he's laying on the ground. Just dumb immature ****.
Don't forget, this is the same staff that threw a champagne party in the locker room after winning a close game to Western Michigan (or whoever it was) and allowed dancing on the sidelines during losses to GT and FIU.
No way around it, we are a corny bunch. We've come a long way since the days of "I AIN'T SCARED OF YOU *****" during the coin toss.
Maybe there needs to be less gimmicks and more substance going forward, cause right now we're that bully that likes to flex on inferior dudes but folds when the big dawg walks into the room. And that causes outsiders to thoroughly enjoy our losses.
WE SIMPLY DON'T LOOK LIKE A TEAM WITH A LOT OF CONTROL AT THE TOP. Just my opinion.




To sum it up, I think there's a talent difference between the rosters AND coaching staffs and tonight's blow-out loss is evidence of that.
A loss like this can't be blamed on just one thing.
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It was full on malzahn bull **** route concepts. No sprint outs for king away from the blitz, no rub routes to beat man, rarely max protection to help with overload , no double moves with max protection, no motioning rbs into the slot yo get mismatches in man. This was enos , richt level play calling. Venerables did what I said he’d do all week , manning up and blitzing or manning up bracketing te’s. No easy underneath stuff.

He was like a python on a puppy , squeezing the life out of Lashlee and the pressure completely rattled him. This wasn’t some defensive masterpiece. It was overloading one side to take away zone read , outnumbering the interior with a/b gap blitzes and daring our suspect receivers to beat them deep.

Lashlee got punked, he played right into veberables hands. If my dumb *** knew this all week how did the guy making a million a year not?

There’s a definite talent gap but the coaching gap is far bigger.
 
Coach Macho said:
We've still got a ways to go, fellas. Completely out-classed on all levels tonight. Embarrassed on the big stage once again, after a bye week, after "earning" a top-10 ranking.





*Lashlee
RUNNING GAME - I don't know WTF I watched tonight. It's like he went back to his UAB playbook. We saw ONE running play tonight, Inside Zone. Clemson employed an "Odd Tite" front during most running downs, which has the DE's line-up just inside the Offensive Tackles, making it almost impossible to run Inside Zone. There was very little effort from Lashlee to employ different running concepts. (maybe some Outside Zone, Counter or Speed Option?)WR

PASSNIG GAME - Hardly saw any Air Raid concepts tonight, everything was vertical and outside, which as I eluded to all week, are the lower percentage throws. Where were the crossing routes? Hitches? Slants? Venerables just left his CB's one-on-one with our WR's and dared us to throw deep. And we did. Over and over and over again with zero success. By the way, our WR corps is the product of poor recruiting and evaluations. We might have the worst WR talent I've seen at Miami in all my years of watching Cane's football. Even during the previous regime, we at least had ONE guy who could take the top off of a defense. (i.e. Phillip Dorsett or Travis Benjamin) We don't have anybody out there right now that scares opposing DC's, which is probably why any defense that plays press-man coverage versus us has success, even the FIU's and Dukes of the world. A guy like Tutu would've been nice to have tonight.


*Baker
I actually thought Baker called a decent game for the most part. He kept things pretty simple, we didn't see too much gimmicky stuff, did a good job spying Lawrence at times. There were still some fundamental/alignment issues that led to big plays. On Etienne's long TD run, we had no "overhang" player to the weak side. We were short-numbered. Of course Clemson was gonna pull Guards and run that way! People were giving McCloud **** for that play, but that was too much to ask of him. At the end of the day we still need better players. It's no coincidence that our only players on defense who flash are the 4/5 star guys. We're gonna need more of those because I don't know how well our staff can actually DEVELOP lower ranked guys.
It also doesn't help that we shot ourselves in the foot plenty times via timely penalties. Carter is a fvckin' crash dummy.

*Recruiting
I know a lot of yall love the underdog 3-star "developmental" types but for the most part the only players that looked like they belonged on the same field as Clemson were our 4/5 star guys. Sorry, it is what it is. That doesn't mean 3-star kids can't be good and help your team, cause lord knows I've lobbied for a few local ones, but WE HAVEN'T RECRUITED THE RIGHT ONES AT ALL. I thought the game plans on both offense and defense were very simple tonight. When the game plans are simple, you're relying on talent. And when it doesn't work, it's a lot easier to notice the talent deficiencies. Watching our outside WR's fail over and over again to exploit man coverage makes it very easy to see. There's no scheme involved there, it's just talent versus talent. I mean, they couldn't even adjust to the football while it was in the air and the CB's backs were turned. None of our upperclassmen WR's will even see an NFL try-out IMO. Then watching Blades get beat on slants, drop a pick-6 and give up a man-to-man deep ball on 3rd & long makes us realize that it would be nice to have at least ONE of those elite local CB's that we've missed on over the last few years.

*Culture
Poorly coached teams with questionable culture always act like we do during adversity and/or losses. Trash talking while you're getting blown out, tons of unnecessary unsportsmanlike penalties, bone-headed plays during money downs that prevent your defense from getting off the field, etc etc etc. I mean, we've already had 39 unsportsmanlike penalties and our DE is trying to smack the ball out of Lawrence's hands while he's laying on the ground. Just dumb immature ****.
Don't forget, this is the same staff that threw a champagne party in the locker room after winning a close game to Western Michigan (or whoever it was) and allowed dancing on the sidelines during losses to GT and FIU.
No way around it, we are a corny bunch. We've come a long way since the days of "I AIN'T SCARED OF YOU *****" during the coin toss.
Maybe there needs to be less gimmicks and more substance going forward, cause right now we're that bully that likes to flex on inferior dudes but folds when the big dawg walks into the room. And that causes outsiders to thoroughly enjoy our losses.
WE SIMPLY DON'T LOOK LIKE A TEAM WITH A LOT OF CONTROL AT THE TOP. Just my opinion.




To sum it up, I think there's a talent difference between the rosters AND coaching staffs and tonight's blow-out loss is evidence of that.
A loss like this can't be blamed on just one thing.
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Honestly coach, that might be your best post yet. Absolutely on point! You hit on everything. I noticed that play where the DE was trying to smack the ball out of Lawrence's hand while hes on the floor. Just mind blowingly idiodic. Im surprise he wasnt called for that. This team is an undisciplined mess!
 
C A N E said:
This we don’t belong stuff isn’t a good excuse anymore.

Lesser talented teams make it a game these days. It cannot be accepted as normal that our roster is that much worse than clemson’s.

It’s coaching.
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Anyone with decent to good players can scheme points in today’s football, just look at cfb scores today. Coaching is huge.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Brother...he's a corch. He'll always be a corch.

He's not even particularly ruthless. His teams are consistently undisciplined. Someone that is "ruthless" runs a tight operation.
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That's also what they said about Dabo and Eddy O. I think tonight goes into the "reasons to fire him" part of the book, but there is still story to be written.

This team should not lose another game until the Acc championship. At the moment, I'm at 51% keep, 49% fire. So I still on his side, but barely. His margin keeps shrinking because of the lack of prep- yet again-- coming out a bye. Drop another to the remaining teams- all of whom have less talent than Miami, and Im probably going to go 49/51 the other way.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Brother...he's a corch. He'll always be a corch.

He's not even particularly ruthless. His teams are consistently undisciplined. Someone that is "ruthless" runs a tight operation.
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Sure, but we are going off a very small sample size - one full season + 4 games. This man has HEADCOACHED a total of 17 (!!!) games. He has his corchy qualities, but let’s not act like this man is a hardened vet and has been around the block as a HC. He is most certainly learning on the job, thank Blake James for that.
 
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C A N E said:
This we don’t belong stuff isn’t a good excuse anymore.

Lesser talented teams make it a game these days. It cannot be accepted as normal that our roster is that much worse than clemson’s.

It’s coaching.
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It’s both
 
TimeB0mb said:
That's also what they said about Dabo and Eddy O. I think tonight goes into the "reasons to fire him" part of the book, but there is still story to be written.

This team should not lose another game until the Acc championship. At the moment, I'm at 51% keep, 49% fire. So I still on his side, but barely. His margin keeps shrinking because of the lack of prep- yet again-- coming out a bye. Drop another to the remaining teams- all of whom have less talent than Miami, and Im probably going to go 49/51 the other way.
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Brother. He stinks.
 
clarkyboy_21 said:
Sure, but we are going off a very small sample size - one full season + 4 games. This man has HEADCOACHED a total of 17 (!!!) games. He has his corchy qualities, but let’s not act like this man is a hardened vet and has been around the block as a HC. He is most certainly learning on the job, thank Blake James for that.
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idk man, I've seen enough. He's a corch.
 
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