(SIAP) Chuck Todd hurting the program and recruiting

[Miami Nights]

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Even though I want butch here, the two situations aren't really comparable.

Correct, Urban wins and Al loses.

Urban didn't go to a program that had coker and shannon running it into the ground before he stepped in.

Golden INherited ample talent to put forth a better showing than what he did. Doesn't matter what you parrot. The NFL draft/ players making NFL teams etc. tells the real story. You look at the players this fool INherited vs the teams Miami played against and see the talent difference for yourself.

Guys like urban Meyer take the talent on hand and add to it. Your boy golden has failed in that area and many others. You seem like a guy secretly hoping this man will turn it around kinda like a hurt female.

 

[Miami Nights]

Urban didn't go to a program that had coker and shannon running it into the ground before he stepped in.

Oh, so all is forgiven.

You can't use you inherited crap as an excuse if after 4 years we had a worse record than when he started.

Urban took his sanctions and won. Al did nothing and regressed.

Not about all being forgiven. It's just not the same situation. OSU has been crushing it for years, and recruiting well.. Other than Luke fickell season (who?) They have won at least 10 games a year for an eternity. Urban took over a good, successful, talent laden program and kept it going... al has failed, but he didn't have that luxury.

Of course the situation is not "identical". It never will be "identical." Chuck was demonstrating how a program with similar sanctions (9 Scholarships), can win it all. That 9 scholarships is not an excuse for losing.

But my point is that isn't relevant because when Al did have his guys in the program (year 4), he lost more games than when he started. If Al went on to improve and had his best season with his guys, then you could say RS screwed him. It no longer holds any water because we started 6-6 and now we're 6-7. 4 years later, what has changed? The constant is Al Golden.

9 schollies on a stacked team is different than 9 schollies on a non stacked team. Not defending Golden, just showing how they are not similar, and to be a bit fair, this year's senior class was put together by Al in like 2 weeks.

Yes they had sanctions, that's where the similarities in the situations end.

Lmao. 2 weeks? What a ***** joke this post is. Is Golden the first coach in ncaa history to be hired in December? Lmfao

 

[Miami Nights]

OSU wasn't stacked when Urban took over, it was better than us, but he just won with Sophomores and Freshman leading the way.

Was his roster back than what let him go 12-0 and self impose or was it his skill?

Was our roster so bad that we got run out the building in every game against a ranked team or was it golden's "skill".

Ohio State Buckeyes (Big Ten Conference) (2001–2010)
2001 Ohio State 7–5 5–3 3rd L Outback
2002 Ohio State 14–0 8–0 T–1st W Fiesta† 1 1
2003 Ohio State 11–2 6–2 T–2nd W Fiesta† 4 4
2004 Ohio State 8–4 4–4 T–5th W Alamo 19 20
2005 Ohio State 10–2 7–1 T–1st W Fiesta† 4 4
2006 Ohio State 12–1 8–0 1st L BCS NCG† 2 2
2007 Ohio State 11–2 7–1 1st L BCS NCG† 5 5
2008 Ohio State 10–3 7–1 T–1st L Fiesta† 9 9
2009 Ohio State 11–2 7–1 1st W Rose† 5 5
2010 Ohio State 12 –1*[1] 0–1*[1] T–1st* Sugar*†

6-7 with that random no name coach.. and back to the status quo as soon as urban returned. The situations are not comparable.

Did the 2011 team have the same players as the 2010 team?

 

[Miami Nights]

Ohio State Buckeyes (Big Ten Conference) (2001–2010)
2001 Ohio State 7–5 5–3 3rd L Outback
2002 Ohio State 14–0 8–0 T–1st W Fiesta† 1 1
2003 Ohio State 11–2 6–2 T–2nd W Fiesta† 4 4
2004 Ohio State 8–4 4–4 T–5th W Alamo 19 20
2005 Ohio State 10–2 7–1 T–1st W Fiesta† 4 4
2006 Ohio State 12–1 8–0 1st L BCS NCG† 2 2
2007 Ohio State 11–2 7–1 1st L BCS NCG† 5 5
2008 Ohio State 10–3 7–1 T–1st L Fiesta† 9 9
2009 Ohio State 11–2 7–1 1st W Rose† 5 5
2010 Ohio State 12 –1*[1] 0–1*[1] T–1st* Sugar*†

6-7 with that random no name coach.. and back to the status quo as soon as urban returned. The situations are not comparable.

so you're saying that bad coaching at OSU is was lead to that 6-7 2011 team despite the great talent but that Golden's 6-6 record his first year was because he had no talent? and if you're a nfl draft guy like me, you would remember that the 6-6 had plenty of nfl talent on it. i could list them out for you if you want

The team that won 11, 10, 11, 12, then 6, then 12 again. Yes. It was a talent issue, not some no name coach. I don't know how I could have missed it.

They didn't have a QB. Pryor left in the summer, Braxton was a TF and Bauserman wasn't any good. After losing to Miami, they started Braxton the rest of the way and took their lumps.

Urban just won with his third stringer. Dude's a great coach. But he inherited good talent.

Smh. You must love golden. Go look at what golden Inherited compared to the teams he faced.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

 

[Miami Nights]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

I don't know if he inherited more than urban but I know he inherited more than what Boston college, Virginia , Maryland etc etc had on their rosters.

And if you don't wanna use osu* then don't. Look at penn st and what they did going thru a far more difficult sitaition. Look at the dam basketball team as another example.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Chuck Todd is clearly just seeking attention. He should just support the basketball program right now.

 

[theibisrules]

lol...go Longhorns

 

[dfreshhookup]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

I don't know if he inherited more than urban but I know he inherited more than what Boston college, Virginia , Maryland etc etc had on their rosters.

And if you don't wanna use osu* then don't. Look at penn st and what they did going thru a far more difficult sitaition. Look at the dam basketball team as another example.

Categorically false.

Penn State literally took less than a slap on the wrist.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

I don't know if he inherited more than urban but I know he inherited more than what Boston college, Virginia , Maryland etc etc had on their rosters.

And if you don't wanna use osu* then don't. Look at penn st and what they did going thru a far more difficult sitaition. Look at the dam basketball team as another example.

Inheriting more than Urban maybe extreme on my end but I don't know. Did Osu have 4 nfl backs on their roster? Three running for 1k? (Miller, James, Storm and Duke who committed to RS). Streeter, T3, Byrd(who was in the dog house his entire senior year, despite being on of the hardest workers6 Hurns, and PD(pledged to RS) are all in the nfl. Everyone killed our 2010 class but all of the tight ends will be in the league. Chase Ford, Asante Samuel (who was in the dog house once Al came, but somehow played for the 49ers this year) and Clive Walford are or will be in the NFL. That's a lot of talent to squander.

 

[canesbaby]

Sorry but Chuck Todd is not doing anything to hurt recruiting. I would be surprised if any high school recruit even knows who Chuck Todd is. Just more excuse making from the small fan base that refuses to admit that Al Golden is the real problem.

 

[We the Boss]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

I don't know if he inherited more than urban but I know he inherited more than what Boston college, Virginia , Maryland etc etc had on their rosters.

And if you don't wanna use osu* then don't. Look at penn st and what they did going thru a far more difficult sitaition. Look at the dam basketball team as another example.

Inheriting more than Urban maybe extreme on my end but I don't know. Did Osu have 4 nfl backs on their roster? Three running for 1k? (Miller, James, Storm and Duke who committed to RS). Streeter, T3, Byrd(who was in the dog house his entire senior year, despite being on of the hardest workers6 Hurns, and PD(pledged to RS) are all in the nfl. Everyone killed our 2010 class but all of the tight ends will be in the league. Chase Ford, Asante Samuel (who was in the dog house once Al came, but somehow played for the 49ers this year) and Clive Walford are or will be in the NFL. That's a lot of talent to squander.

How many of dem could shovel coal doe brah?

 

[TroubleChunks]

Even being as generous as possible to Golden, the 2014 team underperformed its talent level by four games.

If it were year one, you might chalk it up to new systems or rebuilding camaraderie, but you're already looking for excuses -- as people are pointing out above, the whole "Randy left him no talent" line is pretty much bull****. In years two and three, maybe youth and "cloud"-related lack of depth had some kind of arguable impact.

But by Year Four, with nine guys going to the NFL most likely, none of that ****'s gonna fly. That team, against that schedule, should've been good for at least nine or ten wins, depending on bowl matchup. Certainly anything below eight is a sign of incompetence and not just bad luck.

 

[Miami Nights]

Golden inherited the number 2 and 3 passer in school history; 4 nfl backs (more than osu); 5 nfl wideouts; 3 nfl tight ends, several nfl olinemen; nfl line backers; while squandering talent at safety and corner back. You would think Al was coaching Savannah State in the SEC they way some of you put. Al inherited 3 eventual 1k backs.

Al inherited more talent than Urban. Come on. Al was relying on RS players up until this year.

I don't know if he inherited more than urban but I know he inherited more than what Boston college, Virginia , Maryland etc etc had on their rosters.

And if you don't wanna use osu* then don't. Look at penn st and what they did going thru a far more difficult sitaition. Look at the dam basketball team as another example.

Categorically false.

Penn State literally took less than a slap on the wrist.

Call it what u want ....they had thier best players transfer and had a so called " cloud" over the program yet they were still able to produce better rsluts than Goldens sorry ***.