Shots fired! Butch putting it on AL

[CCane]

Who on the current roster would Butch have recruited? Very few. I don't see many in Butch's mold of smart, NFL-bodied, ultra-competitve players who are leaders of men.

Here's the difference.

Butch doesn't just recruit great athletes. Butch DEVELOPS leadership. In his players, in his coaches, in his assistants.

I'd love to see how many of our current recruits would have been stars had they had been developed as leaders under the Grand Master.

It would be a completely different team.

A bit of a philosophical thing as to developing leadership...To me, leaders are naturally born.

I think Butch would be able to get more of what is there, but only so much. These players are not Butch-caliber. Of the ~80 on scholarship, less than 10, Butch would have taken.

 

[FSisco7]

Golden can finally save Miami football by stepping aside and letting Butch take over.

Now Playing: Hit Em Up- 2pac

 

[TheCaneShowPart2]

>sheeple buying Butch turning down jobs even after he was going to take the FIU job for $500K a year
>sheeple begging for a coach with a career losing record in the ACC
>sheeple thinking it's 2000 and Butch Davis isn't outmatched on the sidelines by even the most mediocre of coaches

 

[emrok]

Who on the current roster would Butch have recruited? Very few. I don't see many in Butch's mold of smart, NFL-bodied, ultra-competitve players who are leaders of men.

Here's the difference.

Butch doesn't just recruit great athletes. Butch DEVELOPS leadership. In his players, in his coaches, in his assistants.

I'd love to see how many of our current recruits would have been stars had they had been developed as leaders under the Grand Master.

It would be a completely different team.

A bit of a philosophical thing as to developing leadership...To me, leaders are naturally born.

I think Butch would be able to get more of what is there, but only so much. These players are not Butch-caliber. Of the ~80 on scholarship, less than 10, Butch would have taken.

Less than 10? That's laughable. Butch would have probably taken over half. Its's the bottom half of players that would be different. There is a big drop off between the starters and their backups. This is where the team is lacking and why there is a huge dropoff at the end of each season. The reason there are few superstar players (Duke, Flowers, Perryman, Walford) is because of scheme. Guys like Carter, Howard, Bush, Chickillo ARE superstar level guys that can't flourish in the scheme. Scheme and wasting scholarships on reach high school players is a problem. The reaches should be coming from JUCO so they can either play immediately and are here for 2 years covering kickoffs. Taking late reaches from high school means 5 years of a wasted scholarship or more roster turnover from noncontributors.

 

[Miami82]

>sheeple buying Butch turning down jobs even after he was going to take the FIU job for $500K a year
>sheeple begging for a coach with a career losing record in the ACC
>sheeple thinking it's 2000 and Butch Davis isn't outmatched on the sidelines by even the most mediocre of coaches

Somebody ban this stupid *****.

 

[TheCaneShowPart2]

>sheeple buying Butch turning down jobs even after he was going to take the FIU job for $500K a year
>sheeple begging for a coach with a career losing record in the ACC
>sheeple thinking it's 2000 and Butch Davis isn't outmatched on the sidelines by even the most mediocre of coaches

Somebody ban this stupid ****.

Truth hurts little sheeple

 

[Paranos]

Looking at the article from an unbiased position one could ask the question in 4 years at North Carolina, which of Butch Davis's assistants went on to be Coordinators or Head Coaches. The answer to this question would substantiate that what Butch did at Miami was not just a once in a life time lighting in a bottle event.

Go Canes

The problem with your thought here is that a team needs to have some success before coaches start getting offered jobs elsewhere. At UNC Davis was in year 4 and that team was about to blow up. They had 8 projected potential first rounders at one point and I believe 13 starters were suspended for x number of games, many of which for the whole season. If the NCAA issue didn't happen when it did, that team was going to be really good that year and his coaches would have been picked up again.

So then since Butch was given a letter by the NCAA saying he was cleared of being involved in the multitude of UNC violations, then those violations all fell on his assistant coaches whom he vetted and hired. The very coaches that would have supposedly moved on Coor/HC positions, if not for their various rule breaking actions. So then Butch picked players that were talented but dumb an crooked , and then compounded that by picking coaches that were also dumb because they not only got caught but were also flagrant with their rule breaking both from the NCAA standpoint an dealing with Agents.

An if you need a small refresher here is an article just about the UNC "Self Reported Academic Violations"
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/central-figure-in-latest-unc-issue-is-butch-davis-nanny/

Here is one a little more detailed
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5501067

Soooooooo yeah I ask the question again, where are these UNC assistants today?

Go Canes

 

[We the Boss]

**** tried to neg this troll and accidently liked. Some one neg him thrice.

 

[Miami82]

>sheeple buying Butch turning down jobs even after he was going to take the FIU job for $500K a year
>sheeple begging for a coach with a career losing record in the ACC
>sheeple thinking it's 2000 and Butch Davis isn't outmatched on the sidelines by even the most mediocre of coaches

Somebody ban this stupid ****.

Truth hurts little sheeple

https://www.canesinsight.com/members/8471-TheCaneShow

You are nothing but a troll and should be banned. Both accounts.

 

[sccane92]

**** tried to neg this troll and accidently liked. Some one neg him thrice.

Got his ***** *** for ya bro

 

[UMFarArcher]

yeah unc was lucky to win 6 games a year before butch.

UNC was 3-9 the year before Butch got there.

 

[ThomasM]

In all fairness, none of Al's players have become draft eligible, until this year. It also looks like our string of NO first round picks could very well end this year. The talent level is improving. Problem is, we're 6-6 with improving talent. Sure, the talent level isn't where it should be, but to act like the talent level isn't going up is wrong. That is my problem with 6-6. We are too talented to be 6-6.

For everybody saying we have the talent, Butch served notice. I've always believed Al's evals sucked.

 

[storm1926]

Don't usually see something like this. Is butch speaking our from a position of weakness or strength?

 

[Cats3x]

Bring the man back.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Who on the current roster would Butch have recruited? Very few. I don't see many in Butch's mold of smart, NFL-bodied, ultra-competitve players who are leaders of men.

Here's the difference.

Butch doesn't just recruit great athletes. Butch DEVELOPS leadership. In his players, in his coaches, in his assistants.

I'd love to see how many of our current recruits would have been stars had they had been developed as leaders under the Grand Master.

It would be a completely different team.

A bit of a philosophical thing as to developing leadership...To me, leaders are naturally born.

I think Butch would be able to get more of what is there, but only so much. These players are not Butch-caliber. Of the ~80 on scholarship, less than 10, Butch would have taken.

I don't know about the born leadership thing being so certain. I've seen a lot of asssholes who thought they were leaders and born to it who couldn't lead a breakout from a two-hole sihthouse.

Then I've seen primitives who when taught the need and importance of leadership, and encouraged to lead, turned into unbelievable leaders. After all, self-command is the hardest command.

You see, the very best leaders have self command first and foremost. You find a group of good athletes with self command, you have a group of leaders by example, and the coach sets up expectations well beyond individuals physical or mental capabilities. And when you prove they can actually obtain what they believed was impossible, you move your expectations. That's what Butch does.

 

[poncho0091]

Looking at the article from an unbiased position one could ask the question in 4 years at North Carolina, which of Butch Davis's assistants went on to be Coordinators or Head Coaches. The answer to this question would substantiate that what Butch did at Miami was not just a once in a life time lighting in a bottle event.

Go Canes

The problem with your thought here is that a team needs to have some success before coaches start getting offered jobs elsewhere. At UNC Davis was in year 4 and that team was about to blow up. They had 8 projected potential first rounders at one point and I believe 13 starters were suspended for x number of games, many of which for the whole season. If the NCAA issue didn't happen when it did, that team was going to be really good that year and his coaches would have been picked up again.

So then since Butch was given a letter by the NCAA saying he was cleared of being involved in the multitude of UNC violations, then those violations all fell on his assistant coaches whom he vetted and hired. The very coaches that would have supposedly moved on Coor/HC positions, if not for their various rule breaking actions. So then Butch picked players that were talented but dumb an crooked , and then compounded that by picking coaches that were also dumb because they not only got caught but were also flagrant with their rule breaking both from the NCAA standpoint an dealing with Agents.

An if you need a small refresher here is an article just about the UNC "Self Reported Academic Violations"
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/central-figure-in-latest-unc-issue-is-butch-davis-nanny/

Here is one a little more detailed
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5501067

Soooooooo yeah I ask the question again, where are these UNC assistants today?

Go Canes

I never said any of those coaches were clean. I said they were successful at developing players. Keep in mind that the academic scandal has been happening since before Butch got there.

So now I ask, do you believe that every other school in the country is any cleaner? Do you believe the coaches we put the in the NFL didn't know of any scandalous happenings when they were here? Do you believe that any of those talented UNC players are any different, any more "dumb and crooked" as you put it, than the rest of the talented college football players in the country? Do you honestly believe that these flagrant violators were any more flagrant than other schools who don't get caught?

If your answer to any of these questions was yes, then Al Golden has a used car to sell you and if you act fast, you can become the fan of a broken football program for free.

If UNC were a true SEC team (not like how they see Missou and TA&M), there is a good chance the investigation would have been done in 2 weeks with minor penalties. You remember Cam Newton? It doesn't get any more flagrant than that. It can't get more offensive than he had no knowledge of what his dad was doing so he must be innocent. It can't get more disgusting than both the NCAA and Auburn saying, "oh **** this team is going to be playing the National Championship with a marquee player and if we suspend him, we will lose money."

Hate on Butch if you want, but I don't exactly see a lot of better options out there even if you do feel negatively about him. Golden is destroying this program and Butch is the best quick answer we have.

 

[poncho0091]

In all fairness, none of Al's players have become draft eligible, until this year. It also looks like our string of NO first round picks could very well end this year. The talent level is improving. Problem is, we're 6-6 with improving talent. Sure, the talent level isn't where it should be, but to act like the talent level isn't going up is wrong. That is my problem with 6-6. We are too talented to be 6-6.

For everybody saying we have the talent, Butch served notice. I've always believed Al's evals sucked.

We have raw high school talent with little to no development. Golden thinks all you have to do is make kids huge and they will be better, but if that were the case, we wouldn't need coaches.

 

[dforgie]

Exactly as I have said, we do not have talent to compete. Ray Charles could see this, does not take Butch to reiterate it, but i guess with him saying it now, everyone will believe it.

 

[Consigliere]

Exactly as I have said, we do not have talent to compete. Ray Charles could see this, does not take Butch to reiterate it, but i guess with him saying it now, everyone will believe it.

Explain how that is possible when our recruiting is better than everyone we play short of FSU.

 

[CCane]

Who on the current roster would Butch have recruited? Very few. I don't see many in Butch's mold of smart, NFL-bodied, ultra-competitve players who are leaders of men.

Here's the difference.

Butch doesn't just recruit great athletes. Butch DEVELOPS leadership. In his players, in his coaches, in his assistants.

I'd love to see how many of our current recruits would have been stars had they had been developed as leaders under the Grand Master.

It would be a completely different team.

A bit of a philosophical thing as to developing leadership...To me, leaders are naturally born.

I think Butch would be able to get more of what is there, but only so much. These players are not Butch-caliber. Of the ~80 on scholarship, less than 10, Butch would have taken.

Less than 10? That's laughable. Butch would have probably taken over half. Its's the bottom half of players that would be different. There is a big drop off between the starters and their backups. This is where the team is lacking and why there is a huge dropoff at the end of each season. The reason there are few superstar players (Duke, Flowers, Perryman, Walford) is because of scheme. Guys like Carter, Howard, Bush, Chickillo ARE superstar level guys that can't flourish in the scheme. Scheme and wasting scholarships on reach high school players is a problem. The reaches should be coming from JUCO so they can either play immediately and are here for 2 years covering kickoffs. Taking late reaches from high school means 5 years of a wasted scholarship or more roster turnover from noncontributors.

Why would he say "It has to be the talent level" when asked the reason for Miami's woes? Why would he say "somebody's not evaluating the talent...those at UM are not good players"?