Shavar Manuel

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well at least our foot is in the door at that school.

 

[813_jrock]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

Man it's more players then that on the way

 

[CanesFan93]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

FSU is leading for Smith and already has Nauata commited. Hopefully Shavar blocks out the noise they're going to be spewing at him for another year.

 

[01Canes]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

 

[SA Cane]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

 

[SA Cane]

Texas had 15 of the top 150 in 2010 and u would not recognize any of the names on nfl rosters except Jackson Jeffcoat and he was undrafted free agent

 

[01Canes]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

Any recruiting vs. coaching debate is absolutely pointless and ridiculous. You need both to win championships. The last 10 years should make that crystal clear for everyone.

The importance of recruiting can't be underestimated. Look at Ohio State and their QB depth for example. Their five-star QB and returning Heisman candidate suffered a season-ending injury in the offseason. His four-star replacement went on to become a Heisman candidate himself. And then when Barrett went down, the third-string QB they plugged in was a former four-star recruit who helped lead them to a championship. A team that didn't recruit that successfully at QB would've been dead to rights once Miller went down. Instead, their excellent recruiting and development allowed them to win a national championship. Oh, and the RB who was the MVP of the national title game (Ezekiel Elliott) was a high four-star recruit Urban Meyer coveted.

They have one of the best coaches of the modern era and a roster stacked with next level talent. It's not an either-or situation.

 

[SA Cane]

Just go look at ESPN top 300

 

[TallyCane]

well at least our foot is in the door at that school.

IMG coach played QB at fsu

 

[SA Cane]

It is really comical to look at the list of players u have about a 20% chance of a top 25 kid being a stud

 

[maurice3p]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

Ohio state, FSU, Alabama, & Auburn all have top recruiting classes year in and year out. All those schools won the last 4 national championships. Coincidence?

 

[cane since birth]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

 

[01Canes]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

What you call negative I'd call realistic.

IMG is going to become an FSU pipeline for premier recruits starting next year with those three. And it sucks.

 

[cane since birth]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

What you call negative I'd call realistic.

IMG is going to become an FSU pipeline for premier recruits starting next year with those three. And it sucks.

No its just being negative, we have kids from that school committed to us and one already enrolled

 

[01Canes]

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

What you call negative I'd call realistic.

IMG is going to become an FSU pipeline for premier recruits starting next year with those three. And it sucks.

No its just being negative, we have kids from that school committed to us and one already enrolled

One who's already enrolled (Patchan) committed to Miami a week after transferring to IMG. Being at IMG had zero influence on his decision. He clearly would've wanted to come regardless of which high school he attended. St. Louis is a stud who we may not be able to hang onto if McElwain can lure him away.

Another UM commit from IMG has a grand total of three offers. Players like Manuel, Smith, and Nauta will be able to go anywhere they want. They'll have every top program in the country trying to land them. Fines literally has just a few options. The situations aren't comparable whatsoever.

You can criticize me for being negative or whatever, but anyone who thinks we're developing any sort of pipeline at IMG -- specifically when it comes to premier talent -- simply doesn't seem to be in touch with reality. If this program wasn't in the place it's in right now, then there would be reason for optimism.

 

[cane since birth]

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

What you call negative I'd call realistic.

IMG is going to become an FSU pipeline for premier recruits starting next year with those three. And it sucks.

No its just being negative, we have kids from that school committed to us and one already enrolled

One who's already enrolled (Patchan) committed to Miami a week after transferring to IMG. Being at IMG had zero influence on his decision. He clearly would've wanted to come regardless of which high school he attended. St. Louis is a stud who we may not be able to hang onto if McElwain can lure him away.

Another UM commit from IMG has a grand total of three offers. Players like Manuel, Smith, and Nauta will be able to go anywhere they want. They'll have every top program in the country trying to land them. Fines literally has just a few options. The situations aren't comparable whatsoever.

You can criticize me for being negative or whatever, but anyone who thinks we're developing any sort of pipeline at IMG -- specifically when it comes to premier talent -- simply doesn't seem to be in touch with reality. If this program wasn't in the place it's in right now, then there would be reason for optimism.

Another extremely negative post, im not talking pipelines you are, those guys you mentioned two of them are transfers there, most of the players there are, so your point against mine can also be said about yours

 

[TheMatador]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

Any recruiting vs. coaching debate is absolutely pointless and ridiculous. You need both to win championships. The last 10 years should make that crystal clear for everyone.

The importance of recruiting can't be underestimated. Look at Ohio State and their QB depth for example. Their five-star QB and returning Heisman candidate suffered a season-ending injury in the offseason. His four-star replacement went on to become a Heisman candidate himself. And then when Barrett went down, the third-string QB they plugged in was a former four-star recruit who helped lead them to a championship. A team that didn't recruit that successfully at QB would've been dead to rights once Miller went down. Instead, their excellent recruiting and development allowed them to win a national championship. Oh, and the RB who was the MVP of the national title game (Ezekiel Elliott) was a high four-star recruit Urban Meyer coveted.

They have one of the best coaches of the modern era and a roster stacked with next level talent. It's not an either-or situation.

No, you don't. At least not recruiting of the blue chips. You need evaluation of the right type of kids. And you need coaching. I've been following this longer than most on this board, and saw how it was done in the '80's. Shaver could be the Sterling Palmer of his time. Or he just might be fantastic. You need to get the kid with potential and work ethic and who will continue to get better with good coaching.

There is a great deal of truth to the argument that recruiting rankings are overrated. So many of the highly ranked recruits never got any better. We got the underrated kids that kept on getting better and took to coaching and had work ethics.

 

[Cash]

Is transferring to IMG Academy

****, they just had the #1 TE (2016 Isaac Nuata) transfer to them.

That's 3 players ranked #1 at their position for IMG next year:
#1 CB- Smith
#1SDE- Manuel
#1 TE- Nauta

And all three will end up at FSU. Nauta has already committed and the other two eventually will.

There's no way we end up with either Smith or Manuel. DGAF what anyone says. No f***ing way.

Negative much

What you call negative I'd call realistic.

IMG is going to become an FSU pipeline for premier recruits starting next year with those three. And it sucks.

I don't think there is enough info out there to establish a good argument either way. 01 your argument is based off as much assumption as anyone else.

 

[01Canes]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

Any recruiting vs. coaching debate is absolutely pointless and ridiculous. You need both to win championships. The last 10 years should make that crystal clear for everyone.

The importance of recruiting can't be underestimated. Look at Ohio State and their QB depth for example. Their five-star QB and returning Heisman candidate suffered a season-ending injury in the offseason. His four-star replacement went on to become a Heisman candidate himself. And then when Barrett went down, the third-string QB they plugged in was a former four-star recruit who helped lead them to a championship. A team that didn't recruit that successfully at QB would've been dead to rights once Miller went down. Instead, their excellent recruiting and development allowed them to win a national championship. Oh, and the RB who was the MVP of the national title game (Ezekiel Elliott) was a high four-star recruit Urban Meyer coveted.

They have one of the best coaches of the modern era and a roster stacked with next level talent. It's not an either-or situation.

No, you don't. At least not recruiting of the blue chips. You need evaluation of the right type of kids. And you need coaching. I've been following this longer than most on this board, and saw how it was done in the '80's. Shaver could be the Sterling Palmer of his time. Or he just might be fantastic. You need to get the kid with potential and work ethic and who will continue to get better with good coaching.

There is a great deal of truth to the argument that recruiting rankings are overrated. So many of the highly ranked recruits never got any better. We got the underrated kids that kept on getting better and took to coaching and had work ethics.

No disrespect, but seeing how things were done in the '80s is completely irrelevant to the formula for success in 2015. Evaluations absolutely matter more than star rankings. But the "stars don't matter" believers have their heads in the sand.

And then there's this from last February: http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...llege-football-recruiting-teams-championships

Let's first look at the 11 schools who've signed more blue-chips than non-blue-chips over the last four classes. Six play in the Southeast (five SEC teams and one ACC), which is unsurprising, considering that region of the country is far more talented than any other.

The 2014 national champion will likely come from among these 11 schools. After all, every national championship since 2002 has been won by programs in this list of 11.

The 2014 national champion, Ohio State, was on that list. The last 11 national champions have signed more blue-chip recruits than non blue-chip recruits over a four- or more-class span. Again, it's not an either-or situation. You need both coaching AND premier talent.

 

[wvcanefan]

Recruiting is overrated it is all about coaching which we do not have.

I ask everyone to go look at an ESPN 300 for any of the last several years and the further back u go the more names u will not recognize.

It is all about coaching which we need to fix after next season

Any recruiting vs. coaching debate is absolutely pointless and ridiculous. You need both to win championships. The last 10 years should make that crystal clear for everyone.

The importance of recruiting can't be underestimated. Look at Ohio State and their QB depth for example. Their five-star QB and returning Heisman candidate suffered a season-ending injury in the offseason. His four-star replacement went on to become a Heisman candidate himself. And then when Barrett went down, the third-string QB they plugged in was a former four-star recruit who helped lead them to a championship. A team that didn't recruit that successfully at QB would've been dead to rights once Miller went down. Instead, their excellent recruiting and development allowed them to win a national championship. Oh, and the RB who was the MVP of the national title game (Ezekiel Elliott) was a high four-star recruit Urban Meyer coveted.

They have one of the best coaches of the modern era and a roster stacked with next level talent. It's not an either-or situation.

No, you don't. At least not recruiting of the blue chips. You need evaluation of the right type of kids. And you need coaching. I've been following this longer than most on this board, and saw how it was done in the '80's. Shaver could be the Sterling Palmer of his time. Or he just might be fantastic. You need to get the kid with potential and work ethic and who will continue to get better with good coaching.

There is a great deal of truth to the argument that recruiting rankings are overrated. So many of the highly ranked recruits never got any better. We got the underrated kids that kept on getting better and took to coaching and had work ethics.

Name the last team to win without great recruiting. I'll wait. The closest would be Auburn, and the 2010 class they brought in was instant impact. This isn't the 80's