Shannon Dawson

[Hoyacane1620]

We need Trader healthy. I think he opens up a new dimension in the passing game. Smooth route runner.

Yet according to Pete and others on this site, he didn't really show that in camp....

IDK

I've never been 100% bought in on Dawson. He had it easy last year with Cam. Carson seems like a WB who works within the game plan. He didn't have the freedom to change much, if anything, at UGA. Maybe he needs to try it more like Cam did if Dawson isn't going to scheme it up

 

[ArchersFury]

If you only run it 2 times in 3 games what do you call it.................

To piggy back off this how are we not running off Bell the guy can easily seal the edge whenever they want it.

 

[DTP]

If you only run it 2 times in 3 games what do you call it.................

The real question is: if it’s between the tackles is it even counter?

 

[Canedude08]

It's almost like some of our fans don't watch football. I don't get why anyone would think that Miami would be darkening the skies with footballs, once it became obvious that UF was playing a very risk averse defensive scheme, designed to limit possessions and eliminate the possibility of a blowout. The ONLY way to overcome that strategy is to 1) Have your QB be efficient on checkdowns and the intermediate passing game, 2)Run the ball down their throats and 3) Avoid turnovers. The plays were there in the intermediate passing game, Miami wasn't sharp. We can argue whether Carson was having issues with the wet football all day, but it's obvious from his misses that he was having a problem. Most QBs have a particular miss, Carson was missing every which way possible. That's not like him, that wasn't like him in earlier games, and the major difference was the weather was significantly worse in this one than in previous games.

If Miami was locked in mentally and played efficient football(Which we didn't, at least not for the entire game), this game likely ends in a 35-7 score and we aren't having this conversation. I get it, some of our "Fans" are desperate to complain, because well, they aren't happy unless they can whine, but come the F on. Nitpicking at by far the best OC Miami has had since Jedd Fisch(and you can make the argument that Dawson is better than Jedd) is weird and cringe as F.

 

[grover]

Beck was having a rough night. I actually found myself saying “just run it” a lot. IIRC we started to force the pass a bit during our lull and it just wasn’t working

A drop, a couple of batted passes, off target. Yeah, pretty ugly. But glad we at least threw to Lofton, Toney and Charmar. Could have done more of those short passes IMO, and at least taken a shot downfield to make the safeties respect Marion or Moore.

 

[CANEMC]

Did we lose?? Chill out. Gah****.

 

[Atom Atlas]

4-0

 

[BoludoCane21]

Dawson has 2 weeks to figure out some good ways to attack a team with 2 high safeties. I believe FSU had a similar plan last year and slowed us down. I think you guys need to keep in mind there were a lot of pre-snap penalties which really hurt us. Dawson was playing dink and dunk and running, those penalties are really what stopped us. I think #9 is the key. He can really unlock that next level to our offense if teams wanna sit back and slow down our WR game. Also great job by Dawson using the RB specifically Brown.

we'll get it right. gonna be a fun ride.

there's enough pieces (Lofton, Jojo, Lyle still to get involved) and a mature QB with an arm.
more wrinkles out of the offense will come

 

[JHallCanes]

A drop, a couple of batted passes, off target. Yeah, pretty ugly. But glad we at least threw to Lofton, Toney and Charmar. Could have done more of those short passes IMO, and at least taken a shot downfield to make the safeties respect Marion or Moore.

Every week that goes by the more I understand the Toney hype. That kid is incredible football player

 

[SinisterCane]

There has to be some accountability for number 52 and that sorry *** TE, you just can’t let them play that poorly without a reduction in the snap count

 

[canecountry3]

20 pass attempts behind the LOS and 0-9 yards from the LOS.



The OL and RBs are golden handcuffs. There is no logical reason to take shots, be aggressive, take risks - or however you'd describe it - when the other team is specifically defending that stuff. You have a very good OL of maulers and big, strong RBs who deliver as much punishment as they receive. WRs block willingly as well.

Dawson is doing the logical thing, I guess. FSU would be foolish not to emulate what UF did as best they can. Dawson takes "take what they give you" very seriously.

 

[grover]

20 pass attempts behind the LOS and 0-9 yards from the LOS.



The OL and RBs are golden handcuffs. There is no logical reason to take shots, be aggressive, take risks - or however you'd describe it - when the other team is specifically defending that stuff. You have a very good OL of maulers and big, strong RBs who deliver as much punishment as they receive. WRs block willingly as well.

Dawson is doing the logical thing, I guess. FSU would be foolish not to emulate what UF did as best they can. Dawson takes "take what they give you" very seriously.

Except that I saw Florida's safeties creeping up all second half. There's a spectrum. I'm saying go full Cam Ward. I'm saying throw a shot downfield to maybe get luck but definitely make the coverage respect the pass. I get we felt those yards were too precious, we had to stay on schedule. But I felt we could have been oh-so-slightly-more-aggressive.

Whatever, I love Dawson, Beck, the offense, this whole team. Think all those things will come at some point this season. We have 12-13 more, 16-17 total game plans to fill. Plenty of time.

 

[Santana Sosa]

tough to really get a feeling after that game, it was a sloppy rainy mess.

Its really not though. We couldve played the underneath game mixed with the power run. We used to have rubs in the playbook. We have quick receivers to pair with our body receivers....we should be able to scheme up more consistent 5-7 yard pass plays. ****, if you want to be cute, we could even do rub wheel routes with Toney. There just is not alot of imagination in the play calling right now. And thats fine for right now, but we are putting this on film for teams later to see. So I hope this is the "vanilla" part of our PB.

 

[rsa coral gables]

The condensed sets are not helping our struggling passing game. Hopefully when Jojo gets out there we see less of that

i pointed this out when i asked why we were playing in a phonebooth.

 

[Paparazzi Tripp]

Dawson sucks, always an excuse for him. Reason why he was a journeyman OC that had to have Dana hold his hand or Cam to be good.

Texas A&M lit up that ND secondary and Purdue did pretty good with lesser talent. I know someone is going to say Purdue is underrated or some bs

Beck need to change the play like Cam did to save us

Texas A&M scheme didn’t light Notre Dame up! They just have faster athletes on the edges who made plays. Mario Craver and KC just made plays those 2 are blazers that we don’t have in our WR room. Mario had 207 yards mostly run after catch from crosses and screen game. Dawson isn’t bad at all. We haven’t had any football guys with track speed since AR82 or Phillip. That’s why other team’s production looks better at times. Last year we had the number offense with a WR room who didn’t have anyone who ran faster than 4.5.

 

[DTP]

It's almost like some of our fans don't watch football. I don't get why anyone would think that Miami would be darkening the skies with footballs, once it became obvious that UF was playing a very risk averse defensive scheme, designed to limit possessions and eliminate the possibility of a blowout. The ONLY way to overcome that strategy is to 1) Have your QB be efficient on checkdowns and the intermediate passing game and 2)Run the ball down their throats and 3) Avoid turnovers. The plays where there in the intermediate passing game, Miami wasn't sharp. We can argue whether Carson was having issues with the wet football all day, but it's obvious from his misses that he was having a problem. Most QBs have a particular miss, Carson was missing every which way possible. That's not like him, that wasn't like him in earlier games, and the major difference was the weather was significantly worse in this one than in previous games.

If Miami was locked in mentally and played efficient football(Which we didn't, at least not for the entire game), this game likely ends in a 35-7 score and we aren't having this conversation. I get it, some of our "Fans" are desperate to complain, because well, they aren't happy unless they can whine, but come the F on. Nitpicking at by far the best OC Miami has had since Jedd Fisch(and you can make the argument that Dawson is better than Jedd) is weird and cringe as F.

The issue with Dawson wasn’t Beck missing throws. It has nothing to do with the ball being wet. It’s that in obvious passing situations, which every team gets into no matter how good the running game is, our quarterback has to hold the ball forever because receivers aren’t open.

If you want to play the result and pretend everything is perfect because we beat a Florida team who can’t score, fine. That doesn’t mean everything is perfect. Eventually we will play someone who will aggressively play the run game like Notre Dame did in the second half of week one. I would prefer if our offensive coordinator could find a way to counter that.

Dawson being better than the parade of bums who have called plays for us over the years doesn’t mean he’s some untouchable offensive genius who has mastered the art of running an offense. There are holes in this offense that won’t be exposed by most of the teams we play but eventually we will play someone good enough to do it.

Hopefully, he can start by running play action out of trips when he motions Toney into the formation because every time they did that against Florida it was the same run.

 

[Canezum5]

Every time I criticize this guy I get fans on here coming at my neck. Yet, film doesn't lie.

Any team who plays DBs play very physical and they run 2 high safeties with alternate coverages from presnap to post snap put Dawson in a bind. He forces vertical routes into the strength of the defense instead of taking the underneath and short routes.

We could have WR screen, Tight End boot, and ran Florida off the **** field. Especially in less than favorable conditions for vertical passing. Yet, this man CONTINUES TO run intermediate to deep route concepts.

It is very hard for a QB to make it through 2 reads, let alone 3 and make an accurate check down. Most QBs in all of football just cant do that **** and let's be honest, NO ONE wants to get hit while standing back there so mechanics disappear.

Dawson should have helped his QB by making the first read in his calls a shorter route to his best route runner.

All Florida did was employ the strategy Georgia Tech uses. Notice a pattern? No matter the QB they struggle and the offense stagnates.

When teams use this strategy we have to use the TEs, backs, and attack the flats and keep the ******* chains moving.

 

[Gi0logy]

Every time I criticize this guy I get fans on here coming at my neck. Yet, film doesn't lie.

Any team who plays DBs play very physical and they run 2 high safeties with alternate coverages from presnap to post snap put Dawson in a bind. He forces vertical routes into the strength of the defense instead of taking the underneath and short routes.

We could have WR screen, Tight End boot, and ran Florida off the **** field. Especially in less than favorable conditions for vertical passing. Yet, this man CONTINUES TO run intermediate to deep route concepts.

It is very hard for a QB to make it through 2 reads, let alone 3 and make an accurate check down. Most QBs in all of football just cant do that **** and let's be honest, NO ONE wants to get hit while standing back there so mechanics disappear.

Dawson should have helped his QB by making the first read in his calls a shorter route to his best route runner.

All Florida did was employ the strategy Georgia Tech uses. Notice a pattern? No matter the QB they struggle and the offense stagnates.

When teams use this strategy we have to use the TEs, backs, and attack the flats and keep the ******* chains moving.

I will say check down game can probably contribute 100+ easy yards a game if Beck goes through his reads quickly and just takes the check down.

 

[CaneDog66]

It’s time for Shannon Dawson to earn his money. It’s become obvious that our receivers are struggling to get open against better secondaries. We had issues with Notre Dame and now Florida’s defensive backs. Beck is holding the ball too long because guys aren’t getting open. Toney and Daniels are legit but teams are scheming to take them away and we don’t have a third or fourth option right now.

This is where a truly great offensive coach schemes ways to get other guys involved and get his main guys some easy targets. Anyone can call plays when the offensive line just bludgeons opponents and/or Cam Ward is working magic (while pretty much calling the plays himself) The really good coaches find work arounds in these types of situations.

We’re probably not going to play another secondary as good as Florida or Notre Dame for the remainder of the regular season but if we’re serious about a playoff run we’re eventually going to play another team that’s equally talented or more talented than us. There are ways to scheme lesser guys open and force defenses to have to cover more than two players. Dawson needs to get it done.

Completely agreed DTP. I thought Dawson got too cute there in the 3rd quarter when the rushing attack was working. But he does need to scheme the middle of the field better; we have not utilized Elijah Lofton as much as we originally thought. We need his acceleration and JoJo’s too. Also, unless we are running the ball, keep Bauman off the field and put in Schott. Make it harder for their DC to focus on CJ and Malachi.

 

[Canezum5]

The issue with Dawson wasn’t Beck missing throws. It has nothing to do with the ball being wet. It’s that in obvious passing situations, which every team gets into no matter how good the running game is, our quarterback has to hold the ball forever because receivers aren’t open.

If you want to play the result and pretend everything is perfect because we beat a Florida team who can’t score, fine. That doesn’t mean everything is perfect. Eventually we will play someone who will aggressively play the run game like Notre Dame did in the second half of week one. I would prefer if our offensive coordinator could find a way to counter that.

Dawson being better than the parade of bums who have called plays for us over the years doesn’t mean he’s some untouchable offensive genius who has mastered the art of running an offense. There are holes in this offense that won’t be exposed by most of the teams we play but eventually we will play someone good enough to do it.

Hopefully, he can start by running play action out of trips when he motions Toney into the formation because every time they did that against Florida it was the same run.

Preeeaaachhhh. Its A-ok to respect a guys results on comparison to what you've had before and ALSO give constructive criticism and reproach. There's no need for anyone to attack others who call it flaws or defend/exalt someone to the point that they're above reproach.

Its the coaches job to recognize when things aren't working or being executed properly AND adjust to the players. Beck was quite clearly uncomfortable with what was being asked of him. Mario and Dawson have to recognize that and tailor to it instead of forcing.