Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Its more press for him and hes happy to drag us through the muck with him

The single most stupid post in this thread is this one.

 

[Dhatguy]

We need these ****ers to hack and expose the NCAA

Naw but for real tho lol. That help would be much appreciated

 

[CFLCane]

The single most stupid post in this thread is this one.

He's a billboard lawyer, this is what they do. UM is the putz on the commercial thanking him for our lump sum settlement from our car crash.

 

[RVACane]

The single most stupid post in this thread is this one.

There are some bad takes in here. Beyond people not understanding what’s not relevant to a court of law here, and not understanding that this boisterous style - like it or not - is part of Ruiz’s business marketing plan and without it and him we’re not a player for these top recruits - I’m more angered by people going after the guy who’s undoubtedly made a difference in that regard with insults and disrespect as opposed to the NCAA.

These people are doing the enemy’s bidding. They don’t like Ruiz and are assailing him but you know **** well none of them can afford to or, if they can, would be willing to supplant Ruiz’s NIL deals to have it done how they’d do it. I can’t afford to do it so no shame in that by me but I’m also not publicly (or privately) trashing the guy doing it and getting us chances and wins with these players.

 

[SayWhat]

The salient issue seems to have escaped you for more superfluous items. It doesn’t matter if he’s making money or not from NIL deals. He’s allowed to run a failing business and try to make money. He has a legitimate business that’s a publicly listed company. Whether he’s successful with it or not is absolutely not an element under any legal standard. It’s a legitimate business whether you like it or not.

You’re smarter than this.

I'm not saying he isn't trying to make money, allowed to do so, etc.

There is however one easy and very simple thing to understand here. Business is about making money. If you're dumping millions into something and not getting a return on it, any business would immediately stop doing so. You and I both know why he continues to do so though. He's doing it because he's a booster and that would be relevant while he's publicly said he isn't. There's a reason he said he isn't.

 

[SayWhat]

@SayWhat I just caught up to this thread, but with all due respect, I don’t think you know that you are talking about. And as Mark Twain advised many years ago, it’s better to remain silent and have people wonder about your ignorance, than to speak and remove all doubt. With all due respect.

if you want to debate specific issue we can , but in the end the guy you are questioning, John Ruiz, understands the defintion of NIL and Booster better than anyone on CIS and I would argue better than most people working for the NC2A since Ruiz has former NC2A officials reviewing all his deals to make sure they are compliant. John Ruiz doesn’t take a **** without a plan (to paraphrase a great line from the Hunt for Red October).

Quite simply man, no, I don't think Ruiz understands the definition of booster and NIL completely. I think he'd like to push the envelope, skirt the edges that are undefined, and ultimately thinks if it came to a courtroom he'd win. There's quite a difference between following the letter of the law and working through loopholes, which many exploit through many different things in life.

If most of you took a step back, you'd see what many have called this, the wild west of the new NIL Era. The NCAA has already spoken in part, thus probation, on it. None of you are naive enough to say it isn't pay for play and saying here won't hurt or effect a ruling should he ever go to court. Dressing it up as business venture doesn't change what it is either.

 

[RVACane]

I'm not saying he isn't trying to make money, allowed to do so, etc.

There is however one easy and very simple thing to understand here. Business is about making money. If you're dumping millions into something and not getting a return on it, any business would immediately stop doing so. You and I both know why he continues to do so though. He's doing it because he's a booster and that would be relevant while he's publicly said he isn't. There's a reason he said he isn't.

He’s not acting in a booster capacity when he’s doing NIL. He’s acting as a business person. The rest of what you said about why he’s doing it is speculation based on what you believe. Again, he is entitled to try to market his business in this new way now available and he is entitled to budget a large amount towards it in an effort to promote Life Wallet as he chooses to and he’s even entitled to make bad marketing decisions if that’s how it turnes out. These are not elements to a claim or defense which you are raising. These are speculative layman’s statements which would be stricken by a judge. You should read what @AtlAtty has written and writes on these things. @No_Fly_Zone as well

 

[TheEye]

Man, some of you all...

"He draws too much attention..."

"He is going to attract the NCAA..."

"He should just stay quiet and cut checks like a good boy while I steal my neighbors cable to watch Cane games, I don't care if social media is how he gets ROI..."

"He's an attention ***** who should be like other boosters and stay in the shadows..."

**** THAT. Some if you just want us to be house dogs who take orders from our NCAA masters like we have for decades, the same masters that hit us with a stick if we make any sort of noise.

Me? I'm rooting for chaos. Blow the whole ******* thing up. Ruiz hasn't broken any rules. This is America. Let the man work.

That’s it. Ruiz…

 

[RVACane]

Quite simply man, no, I don't think Ruiz understands the definition of booster and NIL completely. I think he'd like to push the envelope, skirt the edges that are undefined, and ultimately thinks if it came to a courtroom he'd win. There's quite a difference between following the letter of the law and working through loopholes, which many exploit through many different things in life.

If most of you took a step back, you'd see what many have called this, the wild west of the new NIL Era. The NCAA has already spoken in part, thus probation, on it. None of you are naive enough to say it isn't pay for play and saying here won't hurt or effect a ruling should he ever go to court. Dressing it up as business venture doesn't change what it is either.

Really??? The NCAA’s put us on probation for steak dinner at Ruiz’s with his clients when Florida’s collective had a very public $13.5 Million NIL disaster with Rashada and crickets.

Hopefully we’re going to find out that what the NCAA’s done here regarding Ruiz constitutes damages.

 

[hoops156]

Really??? The NCAA’s put us on probation for steak dinner at Ruiz’s with his clients when Florida’s collective had a very public $13.5 Million NIL disaster with Rashada and crickets.

Hopefully we’re going to find out that what the NCAA’s done here regarding Ruiz constitutes damages.

didnt the nCAA put on us probation bc they stated that our coaches basically fed the recruits to ruiz? it isnt a violation for ruiz to have dinner w two athletes. ****, they've had dinners w the heads of champs sports and their other sponsorships.

 

[SayWhat]

He’s not acting in a booster capacity when he’s doing NIL. He’s acting as a business person. The rest of what you said about why he’s doing it is speculation based on what you believe. Again, he is entitled to try to market his business in this new way now available and he is entitled to budget a large amount towards it in an effort to promote Life Wallet as he chooses to and he’s even entitled to make bad marketing decisions if that’s how it turned out. These are not elements to a claim or defense which you are raising. These are layman’s statements which would be stricken by a judge. You should read what @AtlAtty has written and writes on these things. @No_Fly_Zone as well

The NCAA would disagree that he's not making "booster decisions" as a business man.

We know that's what he's doing if we're being true.

In a civil matter, the connection would be brought up and argued. Would it not?

Anyhow, I'd bet there's little to no chance he ends up in a courtroom over this. I do wonder when his last donation of any kind to the school happened and hope it was prior to any NIL involvement.

 

[hoops156]

The NCAA would disagree that he's not making "booster decisions" as a business man.

We know that's what he's doing if we're being true.

In a civil matter, the connection would be brought up and argued. Would it not?

Anyhow, I'd bet there's little to no chance he ends up in a courtroom over this. I do wonder when his last donation of any kind to the school happened and hope it was prior to any NIL involvement.

1/5/22 was the last announcement of a donation from him

 

[RVACane]

didnt the nCAA put on us probation bc they stated that our coaches basically fed the recruits to ruiz? it isnt a violation for ruiz to have dinner w two athletes. ****, they've had dinners w the heads of champs sports and their other sponsorships.

They put us on probation because Meier I believe reached out to Ruiz and he had them over for steak which they called impermissible. Supposedly he had already been in contact with them.

 

[hoops156]

They put us on probation because Meier I believe reached out to Ruiz and he had them over for steak which they called impermissible. Supposedly he had already been in contact with them.

yeah so the violation wasn't that ruiz had dinner with them. it was that we basically created the connection according to the NCAA. either hes free to dine any athlete as long as hes not being fed prospective athletes from the coaches.

anyways, this is gonna get to a agree to disagree thread. no school is clean including us. id rather just move on and be done. we dont need more **** off something very minor.

 

[RVACane]

The NCAA would disagree that he's not making "booster decisions" as a business man.

We know that's what he's doing if we're being true.

In a civil matter, the connection would be brought up and argued. Would it not?

Anyhow, I'd bet there's little to no chance he ends up in a courtroom over this. I do wonder when his last donation of any kind to the school happened and hope it was prior to any NIL involvement.

No, it would not be relevant. He’s allowed to engage in NIL opportunities and there is no law that limits that to non-boosters and there’s no way in **** a sane court would cede that right to the NCAA. Have a good day.

 

[SayWhat]

Really??? The NCAA’s put us on probation for steak dinner at Ruiz’s with his clients when Florida’s collective had a very public $13.5 Million NIL disaster with Rashada and crickets.

Hopefully we’re going to find out that what the NCAA’s done here regarding Ruiz constitutes damages.

They should go after them and many others. That's not the debate. They could at anytime, but before all that Rashada stuff, they were already looking into Ruiz who was loud and brash as could be on social media. He poked the bear and got served, like many here were saying he would. It isn't over there, so we'll see what happens.

 

[scrantoncane]

There’s only one problem with that line of thinking. Even if he was totally quiet and moved just like those other schools guys. The NCAA would still try and nail us/figure out where this money was coming from. Remember when SEC schools were dropping bags for players down here like wild and the NCAA was furnishing a burner phone to a guy in prison who was trying to take us down. They actually listed a used washing machine in the dam report good times.

Ruiz tweeted about giving Pack 800k to come to Miami to

He’s not acting in a booster capacity when he’s doing NIL. He’s acting as a business person. The rest of what you said about why he’s doing it is speculation based on what you believe. Again, he is entitled to try to market his business in this new way now available and he is entitled to budget a large amount towards it in an effort to promote Life Wallet as he chooses to and he’s even entitled to make bad marketing decisions if that’s how it turnes out. These are not elements to a claim or defense which you are raising. These are speculative layman’s statements which would be stricken by a judge. You should read what @AtlAtty has written and writes on these things. @No_Fly_Zone as well

i am an attorney and completely disagree with your take that he can totally absolve himself of liability by running a pay-to-play check through his business because NIL.

You don’t really believe that, do you?

 

[scrantoncane]

Ruiz tweeted about giving Pack 800k to come to Miami to

i am an attorney and completely disagree with your take that he can totally absolve himself of liability by running a pay-to-play check through his business because NIL.

You don’t really believe that, do you?

I started writing a reply about Pack yesterday, as you can see.

The deal was made before Pack came here. Pay to play, and a violation.

That LW wrote the check does not mean Ruiz was not acting as a booster. That is insane logic that no one can believe.

 

[hoops156]

I started writing a reply about Pack yesterday, as you can see.

The deal was made before Pack came here. Pay to play, and a violation.

That LW wrote the check does not mean Ruiz was not acting as a booster. That is insane logic that no one can believe.

I bet hes gonna argue Life wallet and MSPR was conducting business with athletes through NIL and not John ruiz. when John ruiz tweeted about making it rain on pack, he was tweeting in an official manner as life wallet CEO. I hope he has two twitter accts tbh where one is business John and the other is personal John.

 

[scrantoncane]

No, it would not be relevant. He’s allowed to engage in NIL opportunities and there is no law that limits that to non-boosters and there’s no way in **** a sane court would cede that right to the NCAA. Have a good day.

What you seem to be missing/ignoring is that the NCAA and any potential litigation are 2 completely separate things.

Weakened or not, the NCAA still exists and UM is a member. Pay to play is not legal. NIL is. There is some gray area, but the pay for play is not legal.

If the NCAA were to find that Miami engaged in pay to play and docked UM scholarships and imposed a bowl ban, that would presumably be implemented immediately.

I guess the consensus on these boards is that big bad Ruiz will go right into court and smash the NCAA to pieces, maybe even putting the final bail in its coffin.

Not sure what the claim would be, what law would apply, etc. But doesn’t matter. It would takes YEARS to be litigated to a decision. Again, the scholarship and bowl ban would be implemented immediately. Miami loses in that situation, even if Ruiz ultimately wins in court.

No one wants Ruiz to go away. We just want him to tone it down a little.