Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

[RVACane]

****, that was easy and quick!

I get it. The very thought of being a litigator is stressful to me.

 

[Brains]

Yeah I don’t litigate and haven’t practiced in years. I’ll leave it to the litigators here. @JeddTheFisch @No_Fly_Zone and others.

I know there will be limits so he has to make a claim which doesn’t get tossed that allows for that type of discovery.

I'm rarely in Federal Court, if that's what people believe will be the venue here.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Do you think that would really make a difference? As soon as we signed high rated recruits that were targeted by bag schools it attracted attention. It was all over the internet, Rivals, 247, ON3, etc. Remember the articles posted during the summer about Saban and Sweeney griping about NIL saying somebody had to do something to bring the "Wild West" under the control?

Given the NCAA's penchant of assuming the worst about Miami, their line would have been "They're lurking around in silence because there was something to hide. There would be no need for it if everything was above board".

This operating in silence only makes sense in the pre-NIL days when payments were illegal.

Alabama, Georgia, etc. are working in silence. So yes, I think it would make a difference.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Alabama, Georgia, etc. are working in silence. So yes, I think it would make a difference.

That's exactly my point. They're still operating under the pre-NIL rules. Tax free payments continue to be disbursed. They have no fear that the NCAA will come down on them. Do you think they would let us operate in that manner?

Didn't someone previously say unequal enforcement?

 

[bobbydigius]

Alabama, Georgia, etc. are working in silence. So yes, I think it would make a difference.

The NCAA will go after us if given a reason but people seem to forget that the problem last time was that one of our own flipped and ratted us out. Yes the NCAA was over zealous but it was an internal leak that got us in trouble. We move in silence and have our business tight and buttoned up, there are no issues. You think Bama and Saban would not have loved to have had Emmertt destroy Auburn for them with the Cam allegations? They would have loved that but Auburn had their **** right.

 

[Atom Atlas]

This is a two way street; if this goes to court, all communications can be subpoenaed. There’s still a fine print regarding NIL & Boosters.

Try to take into account that John is more than likely fully aware of what would be subpoenaed.. He's been working towards this.. he wants the NCAA to come at him.... This is long game stuff for Ruiz... He knows what he's doing...
This is all about letting the NCAA flex and then dropping the hammer...

 

[Atom Atlas]

I mean I think they want this. like Reilly said, you really want all those emails and texts out there? again, ive seen some of the Adidas **** and we weren't all that clean there either

He wants the NCAA to want it... The NCAA is banking on their new "law" they passed a little while ago - that they don't have to have proof of anything , just a suspicion....
Ruiz is gonna eat that alive in court....

 

[LoungeLord]

I doubt anything actually happens. I Love what he does for UM but hes loudmouth new money lol.

He’s a poster child for Miami as a city, good and bad.

 

[Eric The Midget]

Buddy gonna spend all the NIL money fighting the NCAA..... I appreciate buddies money but it's gonna cost us one day.

 

[Atom Atlas]

Alabama, Georgia, etc. are working in silence. So yes, I think it would make a difference.

Incorrect... They're not in silence... They're just under more protection from enforcement.... Everyone knows what they do....
We don't have the pull they do .... That's the only difference.... Ruiz being loud affects nothing... They would come for us and always have regardless..

 

[pacusmc]

From a historic perspective……this sht was a long time coming if it goes to court.
I’m far from a legal mind but the ncaa has lost some major cases recently and it’s because they have no leg to stand on. Every principle they’ve tried to pass on to defend the amateur status is hilarious.
If the ncaa didn’t exist and you went to a group of lawyers and presented the situation as it exists they would say “that’s not amateur athletics”. Then go ahead and say “and they can’t even get a par time job at bk”
They would ask you what you’re smoking.

In society we tend to accept things as they are just simply because that’s what they are.
Credit cards for example are literally loan sharking. But we all have them and act like there is no problem because “that’s the way it is”.

From a UM perspective it was only a matter of time. Too many fans with too much money that have seen what the ncaa has tried to do the program while they look away at the frontrunners buying players and families.

The Rashada scandal is literally being ignored by the ncaaa. UF openly offered a player 13 million in pay for play money but our entire athletic department is on probation because the most wealthy set of athletes in the entire NCAA had dinner at a dudes house who may or may not be a booster. Ohh and together they’ve made more money than Rashada before they even stepped on campus or even thought about coming to Miami.

At some point someone has to step up to the bully.

The question I have is why did Ruiz do a 180? He said he wouldn’t sue at first.
I have an idea but my sauces are weak.

 

[miamicanephins]

Incorrect... They're not in silence... They're just under more protection from enforcement.... Everyone knows what they do....
We don't have the pull they do .... That's the only difference.... Ruiz being loud affects nothing... They would come for us and always have regardless..

The hate is real.

 

[Caneadian]

I understand everyone's trepidation when it comes to Ruiz bringing a spotlight to NIL and Miami so to say. I get it. But it has to be done at some point, someone has to stand up to them.

It s painfully clear who runs college athletics and the NCAA. It is the SEC and specifically Bama. Just look at this basketball situation going on. I swear if this type of thing had happened almost anywhere else it would 24/7 news, and there is no chance that kid would be playing. Now he may or have may not have done anything wrong? I dont know? But the mere scrutiny from the media would be unbearable and in todays society that fact that this kid is still allowed to play is actually shocking.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Incorrect... They're not in silence... They're just under more protection from enforcement.... Everyone knows what they do....
We don't have the pull they do .... That's the only difference.... Ruiz being loud affects nothing... They would come for us and always have regardless..

Many of the people on this board dragged Shalala for not fighting back strongly enough against the NCAA.
Ruiz seems game to take it to the mattresses against a weakened NCAA and there are people on this board hoping he'll reconsider.

Sad times.

 

[SayWhat]

Who said he was untouchable? He sure hasn't. That's a loaded statement you just made, btw with quite an implication.

He has stated over and over, he is doing this completely by the book (why wouldn't he? There is no need to do it any other way anymore, and he's an officer of the court who would be stupid to break laws unnecessarily). So in his mind, he's doing everything the right way, and helping a lot of young people and their families while also helping to grow his business. Why would you back down when you're right?

Why in gods green earth would he let the NCAA, an organization he probably loathes even more than we all do, bully, besmirch, defame, or limit what he can do legally with his business for a waking second? Why?

Some people on this board think we should all still be running scared from the NCAA. **** that. They've been defanged. John is standing up for himself and taking on a bully. Not sure how that is "Napoleonic" in any way. I'd say quite the opposite.

How tall are you, btw?

People make all kinds of comments on here as if he's untouchable. Some super lawyer who is Matlock in the courtroom. There was no implication aside from the fact that he's lost some large and public cases he's been tied to.

Of course he's going to say he's done it by the book. He's also said he isn't a booster and that's an outright lie. He's the very definition of one, that's undeniable. He's trying to separate the two as if the first didn't occur prior to NIL. He's obviously not going to break the law intentionally, but he's also trying to skirt the legal limits of the NCAA with what is outside of the NCAA law. He isn't right on legal law and NCAA bylaws.

His business isn't taking a hit here unless you actually believe he's getting a return on all these NIL deals. What he does with fun money outside of his business ventures, nobody cares about.

Oh lord, the big bad NCAA talk again. You're right though, I'm sure he doesn't like the NCAA. If he had his way it would be open season on anything related to collegiate athletics. With little to no bylaws or regulations of any kind thus making it a free for all for those with money. Collegiate athletics and the NCAA have helped far more people (it isn't even close) than they've harmed.

Taller than most, lol. He clearly has a Napoleon complex, but whatever. I hope it works out for him and thusly us, but he'll be his own worst enemy if this goes sideways. Be very careful what you ask for with him standing up for himself could entail.

 

[SayWhat]

This is a dumb "threatened" lawsuit that will not go anywhere.

The more Ruiz pulls dumb stunts like this, the more I get tired of his act. If you're going to play the NIL game, do it quietly. Stop making it about yourself.

You didn't make any fans with that post, but this is most certainly about Ruiz and his ego. His need for a attention is off the charts.

Also, for all those talking about separation of business and booster stuff, discovery works both ways. They would likely ask for proof of return on investment of any NIL deals. To this point, the NIL deals are straight losers and their case would be that knowing such, it's the booster in him that made him make those deals.

I'm not mad at the guy, it's what everyone is doing. Dress it up all you want, it's pay for play / coming here. Very few NIL deals will likely be viable.

 

[RVACane]

People make all kinds of comments on here as if he's untouchable. Some super lawyer who is Matlock in the courtroom. There was no implication aside from the fact that he's lost some large and public cases he's been tied to.

Of course he's going to say he's done it by the book. He's also said he isn't a booster and that's an outright lie. He's the very definition of one, that's undeniable. He's trying to separate the two as if the first didn't occur prior to NIL. He's obviously not going to break the law intentionally, but he's also trying to skirt the legal limits of the NCAA with what is outside of the NCAA law. He isn't right on legal law and NCAA bylaws.

His business isn't taking a hit here unless you actually believe he's getting a return on all these NIL deals. What he does with fun money outside of his business ventures, nobody cares about.

Oh lord, the big bad NCAA talk again. You're right though, I'm sure he doesn't like the NCAA. If he had his way it would be open season on anything related to collegiate athletics. With little to no bylaws or regulations of any kind thus making it a free for all for those with money. Collegiate athletics and the NCAA have helped far more people (it isn't even close) than they've harmed.

Taller than most, lol. He clearly has a Napoleon complex, but whatever. I hope it works out for him and thusly us, but he'll be his own worst enemy if this goes sideways. Be very careful what you ask for with him standing up for himself could entail.

There’s so much in here that’s incorrect, I just don’t have time. Doesn’t matter if he was a booster first. Saying his business isn’t damaged.

 

[RVACane]

You didn't make any fans with that post, but this is most certainly about Ruiz and his ego. His need for a attention is off the charts.

Also, for all those talking about separation of business and booster stuff, discovery works both ways. They would likely ask for proof of return on investment of any NIL deals. To this point, the NIL deals are straight losers and their case would be that knowing such, it's the booster in him that made him make those deals.

I'm not mad at the guy, it's what everyone is doing. Dress it up all you want, it's pay for play / coming here. Very few NIL deals will likely be viable.

He’s allowed to make bad business deals on the NIL side. Booster and nil sponsor are two separate things and I believe that argument will hold up.

 

[SayWhat]

There’s so much in here that’s incorrect, I just don’t have time. Doesn’t matter if he was a booster first. Saying his business isn’t damaged.

So you actually believe he's making money on NIL deals? You're smarter than that.

Also, if you were interested in his business, his online personal would be a detriment. Get back to work John, MSP Recovery stock isn't moving. Make it move.

 

[JG13]

Many of the people on this board dragged Shalala for not fighting back strongly enough against the NCAA.
Ruiz seems game to take it to the mattresses against a weakened NCAA and there are people on this board hoping he'll reconsider.

Sad times.

Kudos for the Godfather reference.