Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

He’s allowed to make bad business deals on the NIL side. Booster and nil sponsor are two separate things and I believe that argument will hold up.

It wouldn't in a board room with investors and shareholders watching. That would lead to asking why it's still being done. You then have your answer, he has a vested interest in the school as an alumni and booster.
 
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So you actually believe he's making money on NIL deals? You're smarter than that.

Also, if you were interested in his business, his online personal would be a detriment. Get back to work John, MSP Recovery stock isn't moving. Make it move.
The salient issue seems to have escaped you for more superfluous items. It doesn’t matter if he’s making money or not from NIL deals. He’s allowed to run a failing business and try to make money. He has a legitimate business that’s a publicly listed company. Whether he’s successful with it or not is absolutely not an element under any legal standard. It’s a legitimate business whether you like it or not.

You’re smarter than this.
 
It wouldn't in a board room with investors and shareholders watching. That would lead to asking why it's still being done. You then have your answer, he has a vested interest in the school as an alumni and booster.
It’s not a relevant element in a case.

I can’t. I can’t patiently do this with non-lawyers. I’ve got too much work to do today. Maybe someone else can.
 
He’s allowed to make bad business deals on the NIL side. Booster and nil sponsor are two separate things and I believe that argument will hold up.
Agree, but how Ruiz seems to be both, no? I believe he has donated considerable sums of money to the school, which I think would make him a booster, and runs a public company sponsoring NIL deals.

Without taking sides, it will be interesting to see how can the two roles are or can be separated.

And F-NCAA!
 
JFC - whether or not someone’s business succeeds or fails, is a good or bad idea, is not relevant. People are free to choose the means in which they decide to market their businesses. NIL is a new avenue. There will be a lot of different ways and efforts made to test the waters. That does not eliminate someone from being considered an NIL sponsor nor will a court of any sane measure allow the NCAA’s definition of a booster to override a business person’s free right to participate in NIL opportunities.

@No_Fly_Zone , @TheOriginalCane please feel free to use your precise legal eloquences here to convey this in a way that the people in the way way back can understand.
 
Try to take into account that John is more than likely fully aware of what would be subpoenaed.. He's been working towards this.. he wants the NCAA to come at him.... This is long game stuff for Ruiz... He knows what he's doing...
This is all about letting the NCAA flex and then dropping the hammer...

Its more press for him and hes happy to drag us through the muck with him
 
Agree, but how Ruiz seems to be both, no? I believe he has donated considerable sums of money to the school, which I think would make him a booster, and runs a public company sponsoring NIL deals.

Without taking sides, it will be interesting to see how can the two roles are or can be separated.

And F-NCAA!
He is both. I think it will be addressed by the court or will need to be. He’s acting in a booster capacity when he donates to the baseball team and in an NIL sponsor capacity when doing deals with the Cavinder twins. The ncaa is effectively trying to say that his position of booster in some sports or whatever all sports - restricts his ability to engage in NIL opportunities for his business. By cracking down on the school for it, they’re damaging his ability to make deals under a law which permits these types of business activities. The NCAA is a ******* monopoly and their actions will be held to a stricter standard in certain regards.

I only hope that all the arguments are made.
 
So you actually believe he's making money on NIL deals? You're smarter than that.

Also, if you were interested in his business, his online personal would be a detriment. Get back to work John, MSP Recovery stock isn't moving. Make it move.
Almost all stocks are down... Way down and have been for quite some time.... It's not just his...... The past few years everything has taken a hit ... Some are crawling back up but it's gonna be a minute till things find some sense of normalcy...
 
People make all kinds of comments on here as if he's untouchable. Some super lawyer who is Matlock in the courtroom.
I prefer Perry Mason.
There was no implication aside from the fact that he's lost some large and public cases he's been tied to.

Of course he's going to say he's done it by the book. He's also said he isn't a booster and that's an outright lie.
No, he didn't say he wasn't a booster. He said LifeWallet activities were not booster activities.
He's the very definition of one, that's undeniable. He's trying to separate the two as if the first didn't occur prior to NIL.
Of course he trying to separate it. Every legitimate sports endorsement on any level is done by a corporate entity manage by individuals that overwhelmingly went to one college our another. All of them could be classified as a booster. But their corporate business activities are separate and distinct from any booster activities.
He's obviously not going to break the law intentionally, but he's also trying to skirt the legal limits of the NCAA with what is outside of the NCAA law. He isn't right on legal law and NCAA bylaws.
It's the state laws and the Supreme Court ruling that's blurred NCAA bylaws. The NCAA has still not reconciled their bylaws with state statues in an unambiguous manner to provide guidance. That was supposedly the reason why the NCAA initially came down for an inquiry with Ruiz, to see how it's done.
His business isn't taking a hit here unless you actually believe he's getting a return on all these NIL deals.
You don't know that. As someone who's had to measure and audit sales promotion activities for several Fortune 100 multinationals, there's typically a time lag between performing a marketing or sales promotion activity and the impact on the bottom line.
What he does with fun money outside of his business ventures, nobody cares about.
My understanding is that the funds are disbursed by LifeWallet, not from his personal "fun money".
Oh lord, the big bad NCAA talk again. You're right though, I'm sure he doesn't like the NCAA.
Are you new around here. None of us like the NCAA. There's too much history, most of it to our detriment.
If he had his way it would be open season on anything related to collegiate athletics. With little to no bylaws or regulations of any kind thus making it a free for all for those with money. Collegiate athletics and the NCAA have helped far more people (it isn't even close) than they've harmed.

Taller than most, lol. He clearly has a Napoleon complex, but whatever. I hope it works out for him and thusly us, but he'll be his own worst enemy if this goes sideways. Be very careful what you ask for with him standing up for himself could entail.
You need to release your personal animus about Ruiz. It's affecting your ability to think rationally.


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I read that he’s suing for being considered a booster.

The NCAA defines boosters as “any third-party entity that promotes an athletics program, assists with recruiting or assists with providing benefits to recruits, enrolled student-athletes or their family members.” This catch-all label could also include collectives, or groups typically founded by university alumni that pool and allocate financial resources for athletes by way of NIL contracts.

I’m assuming he’ll contend that he’s a business man who provides opportunities to further his business via marketing w/ student athletes, & this was a business arrangement, not a ploy to drive the twins to play at The University of Miami.

Unfortunately, the issue is two fold…while I applaud Mr. Ruiz for going up against the NCAA, there was this caveat that I found cringeworthy:

Some in the NIL space recently told On3 that the NCAA might actually welcome a NIL-related court case. “The best thing for the NCAA is a court case because once it is initiated by a potential booster we have the discovery process,” said Peter Schoenthal, CEO of Athliance. “Both parties are entitled to all of the discovery – aka, the evidence – involved in the case. If the right case is brought, there are certainly going to be implicating emails and text messages, which is going to allow the NCAA to say, ‘See, we told you so.’ ”
Nonsensical argument by Schoenthal, who is likely not a lawyer. First because it assumes the emails and other communications were not already provided in the NC2A investigation. Second, it assumes that there are incriminating emails. Third and most importantly YOU REALLY THINK RUIZ WOUILD INITIATE A LAWSUIT IN WHICH HE HAS INCRIMINATING EMAILS AGAINST HIMSELF?
Thank you John Ruiz for calling the NC2A on its typical BS and bullying tactics of Bering judge, jury and executioner. And to Schioenthal, quit acting like a little b*tch.
 
@SayWhat I just caught up to this thread, but with all due respect, I don’t think you know that you are talking about. And as Mark Twain advised many years ago, it’s better to remain silent and have people wonder about your ignorance, than to speak and remove all doubt. With all due respect.

if you want to debate specific issue we can , but in the end the guy you are questioning, John Ruiz, understands the defintion of NIL and Booster better than anyone on CIS and I would argue better than most people working for the NC2A since Ruiz has former NC2A officials reviewing all his deals to make sure they are compliant. John Ruiz doesn’t take a **** without a plan (to paraphrase a great line from the Hunt for Red October).
 
….. If he had his way it would be open season on anything related to collegiate athletics. With little to no bylaws or regulations of any kind thus making it a free for all for those with money….

So you mean the way it’s been with the SEC for the last 15 or 20 years? It’s been open season on anything related to college football for them, absolutely no negative impact on their constant flouting of the NCAA.

So this guy comes along, who’s on our side, and now you find religion?
 
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