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Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

CFLCane said:
He's a billboard lawyer, this is what they do. UM is the putz on the commercial thanking him for our lump sum settlement from our car crash.
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hoops156 said:
I bet hes gonna argue Life wallet and MSPR was conducting business with athletes through NIL and not John ruiz. when John ruiz tweeted about making it rain on pack, he was tweeting in an official manner as life wallet CEO. I hope he has two twitter accts tbh where one is business John and the other is personal John.
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My issue is that Pack wasn’t committed yet when Ruiz made his tweet.

Or, maybe he was, since the ncaa hasn’t moved forward there. Maybe Pck signed something on an earlier date and just didn’t go public with it, something like that.

But regardless of being cleared, it got attention. Not just NCAA, but all of Twitter went nuts. Court of public opinion thinks Miami is cheating because of John Ruiz.

So even if not technically “guilty” whether in court or by ncaa guidelines, it is bad press and there is no need for it except to feed Ruiz ego. so to that I say that Ruiz should stfu.
 
scrantoncane said:
What you seem to be missing/ignoring is that the NCAA and any potential litigation are 2 completely separate things.

Weakened or not, the NCAA still exists and UM is a member. Pay to play is not legal. NIL is. There is some gray area, but the pay for play is not legal.

If the NCAA were to find that Miami engaged in pay to play and docked UM scholarships and imposed a bowl ban, that would presumably be implemented immediately.

I guess the consensus on these boards is that big bad Ruiz will go right into court and smash the NCAA to pieces, maybe even putting the final bail in its coffin.

Not sure what the claim would be, what law would apply, etc. But doesn’t matter. It would takes YEARS to be litigated to a decision. Again, the scholarship and bowl ban would be implemented immediately. Miami loses in that situation, even if Ruiz ultimately wins in court.

No one wants Ruiz to go away. We just want him to tone it down a little.
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I’m not sure what you are arguing here and IIRC, you’re an attorney too. I’m not saying the NCAA can’t punish UM, especially if UM chooses not to challenge them.

I’m talking about the NCAA making statements regarding Ruiz which tortuously interferes with his business because athletes won’t work with his company for fear of it causing problems for their schools as happened with the Cavinder twins.

In an ideal world, we have an invisible NIL billionaire who rains money and players that no one is aware of but we don’t have that and his boisterous behavior is part of it. If people don’t like it, then their option is likely no NIL money. This is his price and apparently how he promotes and markets his business.

My hope he does anything he can to shed negative light on the NCAA’s abusive monopoly and make their ground shakier.
 
scrantoncane said:
Ruiz tweeted about giving Pack 800k to come to Miami to

i am an attorney and completely disagree with your take that he can totally absolve himself of liability by running a pay-to-play check through his business because NIL.

You don’t really believe that, do you?
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Good God. Jump to another conclusion, counselor. I didn’t say he can do exactly that Willy nilly without walking a line.
 
scrantoncane said:
I started writing a reply about Pack yesterday, as you can see.

The deal was made before Pack came here. Pay to play, and a violation.

That LW wrote the check does not mean Ruiz was not acting as a booster. That is insane logic that no one can believe.
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All of the NIL deals are made before they are committed, enrolled, or attend classes. That doesn’t mean that payments haven’t held back. And what about California where they allow payments to be made while still in high school.

If this was so cut and dry, the NCAA would have surely sent us to oblivion for such a public violation of Pack’s “pay-for-play” when they were down for their fact finding “inquiry”. They would have relished the publicity about their continued relevance.
 
hoops156 said:
yeah so the violation wasn't that ruiz had dinner with them. it was that we basically created the connection according to the NCAA. either hes free to dine any athlete as long as hes not being fed prospective athletes from the coaches.

anyways, this is gonna get to a agree to disagree thread. no school is clean including us. id rather just move on and be done. we dont need more **** off something very minor.
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I agree with your sentiments. Supposedly the relationship or better put - contacts - existed prior to the Meier call. I actually would be interested to see what the contacts were and what a court would say but I don’t know if that will come out unless it’s somehow part of a defamation clam. I don’t know man. I’m tired of the NCAA’s selective enforcement.
 
NorthEastCane said:
All of the NIL deals are made before they are committed, enrolled, or attend classes. That doesn’t mean that payments haven’t held back. And what about California where they allow payments to be made while still in high school.

If this was so cut and dry, the NCAA would have surely sent us to oblivion for such a public violation of Pack’s “pay-for-play” when they were down for their fact finding “inquiry”. They would have relished the publicity about their continued relevance.
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Yes. There are plenty of different state laws and NCAA regulations that I am completely unqualified to speak on.

And I don’t know the facts of the Pack case. I just know that Pack was not publicly committed when Ruiz announced the LW deal. Very well may have been above-board.

Again, I just question the need. If it’s a cost of doing business - meaning, Ruiz wouldn’t donate if he can’t brag about it - then I guess it is what it is, cause we need his $.
 
Seems like Darren Heitner, current adjunct UM Law School Professor and gator alum, who teaches the class on this stuff, seems to be supportive of Ruiz’s Life Wallet’s NIL activities being proper and not so much support for the NCAA’s actions re the Cavinder twins.
 
RVACane said:
I agree with your sentiments. Supposedly the relationship or better put - contacts - existed prior to the Meier call. I actually would be interested to see what the contacts were and what a court would say but I don’t know if that will come out unless it’s somehow part of a defamation clam. I don’t know man. I’m tired of the NCAA’s selective enforcement.
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you know as well as I do that this potential case doesn't go within 15 miles of a courthouse or nowadays, an emailed zoom link
 
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RVACane said:
Seems like Darren Heitner, current adjunct UM Law School Professor and gator alum, who teaches the class on this stuff, seems to be supportive of Ruiz’s Life Wallet’s NIL activities being proper and not so much support for the NCAA’s actions re the Cavinder twins.
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important to note - heitner reps the twins
 
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hoops156 said:
heitner does know his NIL stuff but im good on him batting for anyone. dude is a **** too. I have some stories
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He knows NIL enough to more than get through the basic do’s and don’ts as well as to be considered an authority at this young point in the process.

I think the NCAA should be more concerned about a suit from Ruiz that they tortuously interfered with his business. I hope he gets traction and puts another crack in their foundation, don’t you?
 
RVACane said:
He knows NIL enough to more than get through the basic do’s and don’ts as well as to be considered an authority at this young point in the process.

I think the NCAA should be more concerned about a suit from Ruiz that they tortuously interfered with his business. I hope he gets reactions and puts another crack in their foundation, don’t you?
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well he helped write the NIL law. he does know it but it doesn't mean he always follows it (im not saying UM did anything wrong in the twins situation). personally, idc what ruiz does. all I care is if he donates to UM. I dont suck up to him nor put him on this pedestal. hes a loud mouth who is being seen as this GOAT attorney when he just took advantage of the system and good for him. I know a lot of people who did the same when they started their firms and killed it. ****, Morgan and Morgan pretty much takes advantage of the fact that insurance companies never ever go to trial for good reason - its too expensive to put in the hands of people even if you know you have a good case. people see the company as a pile of money and they decide that way. you better be 100000 percent sure youre gonna win if youre gonna incur the costs of a full civil trial and not a 15 min hearing.

I have my own experience in NIL through my work. I know the law well enough but what no one knows is what is in texts, phone calls, etc. with everyone you employ that is involved in these deals. ****, his own kids were donating to that fraud NY congressmen that created some bad pub for Ruiz even tho Ruiz himself didnt donate a dime to him.

thats not worth the risk for me esp against a giant org which isnt gonna use a mom and pop but will employ the Jones Days of the world to litigate the **** out of this and bury all those associates under so much paper, no one will breathe.
 
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Rellyrell said:
The problem is, we know Ruiz b/c he put himself out there. The others are boogeymen in the cloak of darkness. My issues have been do our chit the same way. I’m not a fan of putting our business on blast.
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Typically the ones in darkness have something to hide. Being a loudmouth draws attention but is not criminal.

If he’s doing something illegal then drawing this attention is dumb and suicidal.

I doubt this is the case. If the NCAA can be exposed for their extreme bias in how they choose to enforce their rules by this law suit I’m all for it.
 
Salt said:
Typically the ones in darkness have something to hide. Being a loudmouth draws attention but is not criminal.

If he’s doing something illegal then drawing this attention is dumb and suicidal.

I doubt this is the case. If the NCAA can be exposed for their extreme bias in how they choose to enforce their rules by this law suit I’m all for it.
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well there once was a booster named Nevin. he was loud brash and very public lol. miami moves different lol. new money down here dont know how to operate lol
 
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