Required Reading for those who doubt S&C importance

[MIATL]

What's Tommy Moffit's degree from Tennessee Tech?

Why isn't he impacted by his area of study as a college student?

The degree doesn't matter. The continuing education and certifications matter, but the undergraduate degree isn't all that significant in the industry.

 

[kryptonite]

Alabama Crimson Tide strength coach Scott Cochran is Nick Saban's secret weapon

Go ahead and tell me how Swasey has nothing to do with 10+ years of being soft. How he couldn't possibly have an effect on the mentality of the team. How he's not actually "a coach" and therefore he is free from the same criticism that say a HC or coordinator would get.

Then read that article and try to tell me again.....

#FireSwasey

The point is that we've got bigger fish to fry, stop acting like this has to be done first or all is lost.

It is being worked in parallel as it should be. It is as important. Why do you think the top schools pay so much for it...

Which is fine, I see no reason to keep the guy.

That said, it isn't just as important. This is the nature of competition. You hire the best HC and somebody hires a better OC. So you get a great OC and they get a better DC. Eventually (if the NCAA would allow) you'd have Alabama paying some guy $1 million per year to coach only the second string QB. There's so much money involved that teams compete on the smallest points in order to win.

Let me clarify a bit better. Being this time of year starting the offseason workouts, I think it is AS important at this stage.

Fair point.

Wait, I'm supposed to say something about you being a moron aren't I? Sorry, I'm kinda new to this.

 

[FullyERicht]

Amazing that there are still Swasey supporters. Ten years of garbage on the field, and they want to retain the coach who spends more time with the whole team than any other coach.

Zero chance these clowns even read the article. It's pretty glaringly obvious that the S&C coach in modern college ball is as critical to the success or failure of a football team as the coordinators are. Thus, if your team has been bad for 10+ years, three coaches were fired during that period, and the same unqualified guy is running S&C, then every single sign points to the fact that said coach is a major major problem and needs to be replaced.

There is no skating around it anymore. There is no "well it's not that important" or "they all are the same". Read the goddam article. No way you can say that S&C is not a critical element to a team's success.

 

[M3N]

What's Tommy Moffit's degree from Tennessee Tech?

Why isn't he impacted by his area of study as a college student?

The degree doesn't matter. The continuing education and certifications matter, but the undergraduate degree isn't all that significant in the industry.

Moffit learned under the tutelage of Gayle Hatch. Moffit is the best in the business. No comparison to Swasey

 

[MIATL]

That's not the debate.

I've already said I'm not promoting Swasey.

But I am saying the argument against Swasey's undergraduate degree is ridiculous. The undergraduate degree is meaningless ... The continuing education and earned certifications are what matter.

What's Tommy Moffit's degree from Tennessee Tech?

Why isn't he impacted by his area of study as a college student?

The degree doesn't matter. The continuing education and certifications matter, but the undergraduate degree isn't all that significant in the industry.

Moffit learned under the tutelage of Gayle Hatch. Moffit is the best in the business. No comparison to Swasey

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

That's not the debate.

I've already said I'm not promoting Swasey.

But I am saying the argument against Swasey's undergraduate degree is ridiculous. The undergraduate degree is meaningless ... The continuing education and earned certifications are what matter.

What's Tommy Moffit's degree from Tennessee Tech?

Why isn't he impacted by his area of study as a college student?

The degree doesn't matter. The continuing education and certifications matter, but the undergraduate degree isn't all that significant in the industry.

Moffit learned under the tutelage of Gayle Hatch. Moffit is the best in the business. No comparison to Swasey

Good point ....the constant obtaining of certifications and degrees in this ever changing field are extremely vital and way more important than the initial degree.

 

[ncncanes]

One - I am very much ready for a change - we agree, get rid of Swasey

Two - if you are waiting for Miami to spend the same amount of $ as Bama, you are a dreamer

Three - I dont think that any coach CREATES work ethic --- they can only build on what already exist in the player --- this is what Butch did well - find kids that are hungry
- Look at almost every NBA and NFL bust - more times than not players didnt want to do the work --- no matter who their coach was and how much talent the player had
- The great ones have an inner drive to improve on their craft.

 

[TemplarCane]

BC from 2000-2005 we weren't soft....oh and if Miami had Nick Saban as HC instead of Shannon and Goldie then there would be no issues to discuss.

Bc Saban would have brought Cochran to UM.

Nick Saban would hold his coaches and players accountable.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Meanwhile @ the U

 

[52CANES]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Wait, you're getting all busted up over a degree program that literally anyone who signs up can get? I mean one that athletes have tended to flock to...You realize we are talking about Strength and Conditioning right? We aren't asking anyone to plan the UHealth budget, we're talking about getting guys to bust *** working out the right way.

 

[FullyERicht]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Wait, you're getting all busted up over a degree program that literally anyone who signs up can get? I mean one that athletes have tended to flock to...You realize we are talking about Strength and Conditioning right? We aren't asking anyone to plan the UHealth budget, we're talking about getting guys to bust *** working out the right way.

And in your mind, after reading that article and realizing that the S&C coach more than any coach other than the HC is responsible for getting guys to bust their ***, does our team look like Swasey has done a job worthy of being retained for a FOURTH term???

 

[52CANES]

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Wait, you're getting all busted up over a degree program that literally anyone who signs up can get? I mean one that athletes have tended to flock to...You realize we are talking about Strength and Conditioning right? We aren't asking anyone to plan the UHealth budget, we're talking about getting guys to bust *** working out the right way.

And in your mind, after reading that article and realizing that the S&C coach more than any coach other than the HC is responsible for getting guys to bust their ***, does our team look like Swasey has done a job worthy of being retained for a FOURTH term???

First, I'm not saying your point is wrong, I would let go of Swasey just to change and move on. The argument you're using to justify is not that great though. For example, 30 mississippi state football players are degree seaking kinesiology majors lol. If by some miracle they graduate, are they more qualified than Swasey?

Who would you hire to train you? A trainer with 15 years experience, whom has glowing recommendations from nearly every client. Clients who are professional athletes. Some people who never ever even SEEN him train someone don't like him, but nearly every single person who, you know actually has witnesses training, love him. Or, a guy that just graduated from Mississippi State with a degree in Kinesiology? Sure, use it as a tie breaker if you please, but degrees are just paper (or bits of data). You can site all the Alabama, etc S&C coaches you want, but I don't think any of them are coming here are they?

 

[52CANES]

I say we let Richt decide and go with that. He's in a better position to see if Swasey can build the team as he intends or not. If it was me i'd axe the whole crew but I think Richt has a handle on what he needs in a coach.

I mean if not then lets just stop now, fire Richt, give Cochran from Alabama $3million per year and ask him who the rest of our coaching staff should be if the S&C coach is so **** important.

 

[FullyERicht]

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Wait, you're getting all busted up over a degree program that literally anyone who signs up can get? I mean one that athletes have tended to flock to...You realize we are talking about Strength and Conditioning right? We aren't asking anyone to plan the UHealth budget, we're talking about getting guys to bust *** working out the right way.

And in your mind, after reading that article and realizing that the S&C coach more than any coach other than the HC is responsible for getting guys to bust their ***, does our team look like Swasey has done a job worthy of being retained for a FOURTH term???

First, I'm not saying your point is wrong, I would let go of Swasey just to change and move on. The argument you're using to justify is not that great though. For example, 30 mississippi state football players are degree seaking kinesiology majors lol. If by some miracle they graduate, are they more qualified than Swasey?

Who would you hire to train you? A trainer with 15 years experience, whom has glowing recommendations from nearly every client. Clients who are professional athletes. Some people who never ever even SEEN him train someone don't like him, but nearly every single person who, you know actually has witnesses training, love him. Or, a guy that just graduated from Mississippi State with a degree in Kinesiology? Sure, use it as a tie breaker if you please, but degrees are just paper (or bits of data). You can site all the Alabama, etc S&C coaches you want, but I don't think any of them are coming here are they?

As a personal trainer I'm sure Swasey is quite good.

At a man tasked with managing the entire team in the offseason, I can't think of a guy with less qualifications.

 

[Miami82]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Wait, you're getting all busted up over a degree program that literally anyone who signs up can get? I mean one that athletes have tended to flock to...You realize we are talking about Strength and Conditioning right? We aren't asking anyone to plan the UHealth budget, we're talking about getting guys to bust *** working out the right way.

LOL, busted up? You are the one that looks like he has his jimmies rustled.

Yes I place more weight in a S&C coach that is degreed in his speciality vs what I know about Swasey. This is the same **** argument we have been having on these boards since it was noticeable back in 03 when we were falling off in S&C. Players come back here because of SoBe. Not Swasey... you think he is so good they would follow him to Minot, ND?

These guys are not just motivators, they come up with specialized training for positions and it shows at the top programs.

 

[FlipT]

All for changing our players but I recall this same conversation before Goldie began blowing them up to be Michelin men.S & C didn't help Bama vs OU or OSU the last 2 years,its a combo of S & C and coaching.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

 

[FullyERicht]

All for changing our players but I recall this same conversation before Goldie began blowing them up to be Michelin men.S & C didn't help Bama vs OU or OSU the last 2 years,its a combo of S & C and coaching.

Huh? Was this english??

The man has been here since before Al Golden worked at UVA as a DC. This is not an Al Golden issue.

And S&C helped Bama win 3 titles in 4 years. And yes they lost to OU and OSU, who also have great S&C programs.

Then you have Miami, who gets physically raped by any ranked team we play. Who is gassed by the 2nd quarter. Who has a horrific end of the season record during Swasey's tenure. Who S&C coach, a position considered by the elite programs to be second only to HC in importance, has no training in the field, no qualifications for such an important position, and who has been apart of nothing but ENDLESS FAILURE at the U.

It SICKENS me that people would put this ******* guy over the good of the team. I cannot comprehend why anyone would defend him.

 

[INCaneFan]

Anyone who has been a fan of this program during the good and bad knows one thing with absolute certainty.

When we were good and the third quarter ended, we would hold up four fingers. We meant it because we knew that our guys had one quarter left and we're going to bring it. All the conditioning the team did throughout the year would pay dividends and the other team would look slower while gasping for breath.

Yes, we still do the four fingers and it means jack squat these days. We're more often than not, the team with our hands on our hips, trying to catch our breath all the while continuously looking at the clock.

Yes, it's called strength and conditioning, but the real thing is conditioning. Strength is secondary. Those who point to combine numbers, you don't get it. I could put a group of power lifters out there who would put those numbers to shame, but if I put them on the field they would be gassed in no time.

We used to say teams would come down here and melt in the heat. That's no longer the case, our conditioning has slipped. As it slips, strength becomes less of a factor. In the decade since we were good, approaches to conditioning have changed while we haven't.

Bottomline, Swasey will be exiting the door and whoever replaces him will be better as he's known as one of the worst at his position in any of the power five conferences.

 

[52CANES]

All for changing our players but I recall this same conversation before Goldie began blowing them up to be Michelin men.S & C didn't help Bama vs OU or OSU the last 2 years,its a combo of S & C and coaching.

Huh? Was this english??

The man has been here since before Al Golden worked at UVA as a DC. This is not an Al Golden issue.

And S&C helped Bama win 3 titles in 4 years. And yes they lost to OU and OSU, who also have great S&C programs.

Then you have Miami, who gets physically raped by any ranked team we play. Who is gassed by the 2nd quarter. Who has a horrific end of the season record during Swasey's tenure. Who S&C coach, a position considered by the elite programs to be second only to HC in importance, has no training in the field, no qualifications for such an important position, and who has been apart of nothing but ENDLESS FAILURE at the U.

It SICKENS me that people would put this ******* guy over the good of the team. I cannot comprehend why anyone would defend him.

I'm not defending him per se, I'm just saying the reasons you want to fire Swasey are dumb. I'm not saying we shouldn't fire him. I can get behind a "clean house" plan more than a "o noes, he doesnt have one of the easiest degrees in America". The degree argument is probably the weakest argument i've ever heard for firing swasey as a matter of fact. That means if he had a degree you'd be cool with keeping him? Ridiculous argument. You have a track record of Swasey. You think its bad enough to fire him. Leave it at that. The degree or not has little relevance. It makes it look like there's no reason to fire him because the main one discussed is the degree reason. Site fat lazy players, site getting blown off the ball, you lose steam when you bring up this weak degree argument.

I'm not rustled, I'm bull****ting on a message board while I watch TV. I'm lounging and chill as can be right now trust me...