Required Reading for those who doubt S&C importance

[FullyERicht]

Anyone who has been a fan of this program during the good and bad knows one thing with absolute certainty.

When we were good and the third quarter ended, we would hold up four fingers. We meant it because we knew that our guys had one quarter left and we're going to bring it. All the conditioning the team did throughout the year would pay dividends and the other team would look slower while gasping for breath.

Yes, we still do the four fingers and it means jack squat these days. We're more often than not, the team with our hands on our hips, trying to catch our breath all the while continuously looking at the clock.

Yes, it's called strength and conditioning, but the real thing is conditioning. Strength is secondary. Those who point to combine numbers, you don't get it. I could put a group of power lifters out there who would put those numbers to shame, but if I put them on the field they would be gassed in no time.

We used to say teams would come down here and melt in the heat. That's no longer the case, our conditioning has slipped. As it slips, strength becomes less of a factor. In the decade since we were good, approaches to conditioning have changed while we haven't.

Bottomline, Swasey will be exiting the door and whoever replaces him will be better as he's known as one of the worst at his position in any of the power five conferences.

One of the best posts I've ever read on this matter. /thread

 

[Miami82]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

 

[52CANES]

They key is to find a qualified, knowledgeable, competent S&C coach who communicates well with a good coach to receive his goals and mission, and who communicates this message to the players in terms of a conditioning program. I bet you anything you can put Cochran at UL-Lafayette or Washington State and they will not win any titles.

 

[52CANES]

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

What about the guy who already knows Physics, has been working on that specific or similar job at another company for 15 years, but he doens't have a Physics degree he has a degree in electrical engineering from MIT? Also receives glowing recommendations from everyone he's worked with on a personal and professional level.

You'd hire that guy in a second and never look back unless he really fudged up the interview. I'm happy to let Richt decide. His whole life rides on choosing the right coaches to work on his staff. Much like i'd trust you to hire that physics guy that would most work for you. Next time you are hiring someone, why don't you throw up a poll on which candidate to hire and then stick to he result. That is what ya'll are asking Richt to do basically.

 

[FlipT]

All for changing our players but I recall this same conversation before Goldie began blowing them up to be Michelin men.S & C didn't help Bama vs OU or OSU the last 2 years,its a combo of S & C and coaching.

Huh? Was this english??

The man has been here since before Al Golden worked at UVA as a DC. This is not an Al Golden issue.

And S&C helped Bama win 3 titles in 4 years. And yes they lost to OU and OSU, who also have great S&C programs.

Then you have Miami, who gets physically raped by any ranked team we play. Who is gassed by the 2nd quarter. Who has a horrific end of the season record during Swasey's tenure. Who S&C coach, a position considered by the elite programs to be second only to HC in importance, has no training in the field, no qualifications for such an important position, and who has been apart of nothing but ENDLESS FAILURE at the U.

It SICKENS me that people would put this ******* guy over the good of the team. I cannot comprehend why anyone would defend him.

Who defended him?HIS name was never mentioned.OU and OSU beat Bama with their SCHEME.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I believe the community here doubts the value of the OP to the board as a poster more than it misunderstands the importance of S&C.

This thread does not help improve either.

 

[52CANES]

FullyERicht, quick, switch to ESPN, there' s a good chance your future dream S&C coach is playing on TV right now with half of Miss State's team being Kinesiology majors and all...

 

[Miami82]

Lol a degree?? Are u serious with that bs?

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

What about the guy who already knows Physics, has been working on that specific or similar job at another company for 15 years, but he doens't have a Physics degree he has a degree in electrical engineering from MIT? Also receives glowing recommendations from everyone he's worked with on a personal and professional level.

You'd hire that guy in a second and never look back unless he really fudged up the interview. I'm happy to let Richt decide. His whole life rides on choosing the right coaches to work on his staff. Much like i'd trust you to hire that physics guy that would most work for you. Next time you are hiring someone, why don't you throw up a poll on which candidate to hire and then stick to he result. That is what ya'll are asking Richt to do basically.

LOL, wrong choice with the EE. I'm a EE with a minor in Physics. There are certain requirements as a EE you have to take of physics. They kind of go hand in hand.

I wouldn't make a comparison of a Sociology degree to remotely Kinesiology. Which is what you are trying to do with Swasey.

 

[Miami82]

I believe the community here doubts the value of the OP to the board as a poster more than it misunderstands the importance of S&C.

This thread does not help improve either.

No, I think this post reflects your bias of the OP.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Let's also remember that employees under bad supervisors are going to be bad. Employees under good leaders will have better direction and achieve more.

The bigger issue with Swasey is he doesn't even have a degree in his field. Thats like asking and admin specialist to be an engineer. It doesn't work. Has nothing to do with who the HC is.

This and thread. Give me a guy that actually has a degree and a track record.

 

[52CANES]

Those that usually dismiss education are the uneducated.

Cochran received a bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from LSU in 2001 and added a master’s degree in sports management from LSU in 2003. Thats just one. Typically people leading their field have an education in it.

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

What about the guy who already knows Physics, has been working on that specific or similar job at another company for 15 years, but he doens't have a Physics degree he has a degree in electrical engineering from MIT? Also receives glowing recommendations from everyone he's worked with on a personal and professional level.

You'd hire that guy in a second and never look back unless he really fudged up the interview. I'm happy to let Richt decide. His whole life rides on choosing the right coaches to work on his staff. Much like i'd trust you to hire that physics guy that would most work for you. Next time you are hiring someone, why don't you throw up a poll on which candidate to hire and then stick to he result. That is what ya'll are asking Richt to do basically.

LOL, wrong choice with the EE. I'm a EE with a minor in Physics. There are certain requirements as a EE you have to take of physics. They kind of go hand in hand.

I wouldn't make a comparison of a Sociology degree to remotely Kinesiology. Which is what you are trying to do with Swasey.

I know you have to TAKE physics but thats much much different than someone with a degree in Physics. Plenty of people take Calculus yet i'd say less than 1% can do advanced Calculus. I mean I had to pick someone who had the ability to learn Physics. Everyone on the Miss St football team practically has Kinesiology mastered so it isn't like Physics is a good comparison for Strength Coach as it is. Was only piggy backing your analogy.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I believe the community here doubts the value of the OP to the board as a poster more than it misunderstands the importance of S&C.

This thread does not help improve either.

No, I think this post reflects your bias of the OP.

I disagree. I have no specific issue with the OP other than it is tiring in general when posters post new threads about old subject matter. I was merely reporting an observation of the numerous posts and threads regarding Swasey, nutrition, weight management and the availability of or infatuation with other S&C coaches showing the Board is well aware of the importance of that element of the program. As a result I do not think this thread elevates the knowledge of the Board related to S&C nor does the starting of this thread improve the poster's credibility with other members of the board who were dissatisfied with his posting before or after his name change.

 

[mirvin88]

BC from 2000-2005 we weren't soft....oh and if Miami had Nick Saban as HC instead of Shannon and Goldie then there would be no issues to discuss.

No one is this stupid, are they???

If Saban would have been here he would have been paid accordingly as well as his support staff. Meaning there would have been an upgrade in S&C.

How do u know? We can do much worse than Swasey.... He may not be best of the best but hes still very good. a Saban led UM program would have us dominating w/ Swasey as S&C coach regardless

Give me one example to back up that he's a good SC coach

 

[mirvin88]

If he were worth a **** as a SC guy he'd use all the NFL hype around him to quit Miami and work privately with NFL players for more money. Players come here because its Miami. Nobody gives a **** about Swasey as a coach.

 

[Miami82]

Those that think a degree equals educated are foolish .... Swasey has just as much experience as anybody in the business. U think he has no idea how to gain knowlege on the bs u think is so vital in the classroom to being a great S&C coach?? He works at UM, worked under Moffit, is a health and conditioning nut himself... I'm sure he knows everything those with a degree know.

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

What about the guy who already knows Physics, has been working on that specific or similar job at another company for 15 years, but he doens't have a Physics degree he has a degree in electrical engineering from MIT? Also receives glowing recommendations from everyone he's worked with on a personal and professional level.

You'd hire that guy in a second and never look back unless he really fudged up the interview. I'm happy to let Richt decide. His whole life rides on choosing the right coaches to work on his staff. Much like i'd trust you to hire that physics guy that would most work for you. Next time you are hiring someone, why don't you throw up a poll on which candidate to hire and then stick to he result. That is what ya'll are asking Richt to do basically.

LOL, wrong choice with the EE. I'm a EE with a minor in Physics. There are certain requirements as a EE you have to take of physics. They kind of go hand in hand.

I wouldn't make a comparison of a Sociology degree to remotely Kinesiology. Which is what you are trying to do with Swasey.

I know you have to TAKE physics but thats much much different than someone with a degree in Physics. Plenty of people take Calculus yet i'd say less than 1% can do advanced Calculus. I mean I had to pick someone who had the ability to learn Physics. Everyone on the Miss St football team practically has Kinesiology mastered so it isn't like Physics is a good comparison for Strength Coach as it is. Was only piggy backing your analogy.

I think you missed the point. Swasey has no background and no connected background from college. Sociology is not remotely connected to Kinesiology. Using EE and physics is a none starter.

 

[Miami82]

I believe the community here doubts the value of the OP to the board as a poster more than it misunderstands the importance of S&C.

This thread does not help improve either.

No, I think this post reflects your bias of the OP.

I disagree. I have no specific issue with the OP other than it is tiring in general when posters post new threads about old subject matter. I was merely reporting an observation of the numerous posts and threads regarding Swasey, nutrition, weight management and the availability of or infatuation with other S&C coaches showing the Board is well aware of the importance of that element of the program. As a result I do not think this thread elevates the knowledge of the Board related to S&C nor does the starting of this thread improve the poster's credibility with other members of the board who were dissatisfied with his posting before or after his name change.

Also what value did your post add? Nothing other than attack another poster.

 

[52CANES]

I didn't say all that have degrees are equal. I could take someone off the street and teach them physics for a specific job or I could hire someone out of Stanford that has a well versed background in physics. Who do you think will end up being more successful?

What about the guy who already knows Physics, has been working on that specific or similar job at another company for 15 years, but he doens't have a Physics degree he has a degree in electrical engineering from MIT? Also receives glowing recommendations from everyone he's worked with on a personal and professional level.

You'd hire that guy in a second and never look back unless he really fudged up the interview. I'm happy to let Richt decide. His whole life rides on choosing the right coaches to work on his staff. Much like i'd trust you to hire that physics guy that would most work for you. Next time you are hiring someone, why don't you throw up a poll on which candidate to hire and then stick to he result. That is what ya'll are asking Richt to do basically.

LOL, wrong choice with the EE. I'm a EE with a minor in Physics. There are certain requirements as a EE you have to take of physics. They kind of go hand in hand.

I wouldn't make a comparison of a Sociology degree to remotely Kinesiology. Which is what you are trying to do with Swasey.

I know you have to TAKE physics but thats much much different than someone with a degree in Physics. Plenty of people take Calculus yet i'd say less than 1% can do advanced Calculus. I mean I had to pick someone who had the ability to learn Physics. Everyone on the Miss St football team practically has Kinesiology mastered so it isn't like Physics is a good comparison for Strength Coach as it is. Was only piggy backing your analogy.

I think you missed the point. Swasey has no background and no connected background from college. Sociology is not remotely connected to Kinesiology. Using EE and physics is a none starter.

Well you are the one that brought up Physics. You act like learning physics is the same as teaching people how to do bench press and writing down a workout plan on a white board and logging the data. This isn't rocket science or even physics. THE PEOPLE WITH A KINESIOLOGY DEGREE PICKED IT BECAUSE IT IS RIDICULOUSLY EASY...FOR EVERYONE WHO TRIES. Hence half of the Miss St football team will be, for you, more qualified than Swasey to be a S&C Coach.

Man you sound foolish. No background except he was an assistant S&C under the coach everyone fantasizes about in Moffitt, and then was a S&C coach for 15 more years after that in addition to being a position coach. Wow the no background thing sounded dumber than the no degree thing. Kinesiology.. lol.. then ya boy brought up Physics.. then got mad at me for using a physics comparison.. lol good night.

 

[wushah]

I've been on the Fire Swasey campaign for more than a decade. He's been cashing UM checks for far too long.

Agree with Miami82 and think INCane nailed it with his post earlier.

A number of reasons exist on performance alone to recommend termination. His lack of pedigree doesn't help his cause either, and may help explain partly why he's been so subpar.

Swasey needs to be fired.

 

[52CANES]

Tommy Moffitt has a degree in Education with a minor in literature and biology... know nothings...
Lets cross him off our list, he has **** for a degree.

 

[cane_boi]

Whenever a Miami coach gets fired, Swasey goes ghost for a month. Doesn't show his face in the building until the dust settles and it's safe to show his face again. That's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with as to how he still has a job.