Recruits reactions to Golden staying

[OzarCaneSaw]

I agree. That is what I am getting at. It goes beyond talent! Duke out cached us.

They probably did, but that's not really what I said. My point is a talented team that has a solid coach can and often does get beaten, on any given Saturday, by a lesser talented team with a lesser coach. Now, I don't think anyone REALLY knows how good a coach Golden is at this stage. He may be a middling coach as many on here want to label him, he may have been hamstrung by circumstances up until this point. He may be learning still. (Btw, the best coach on the planet is still learning, so I don't consider that a bad thing). Frankly, I don't think anyone knows at this point and won't for another 2-3 years. Keep in mind, 12 months ago, many at FSU had serious questions about Jimbo after a few years as they we routinely losing 3-4 head scratcher games a year.

But we lost two of those in a row! FSU is a much better team than us but VT and Duke in back to back weeks is inexcusable!

Come on, is it really? I mean, I know rage is the currency and language of the internet in general and this board in particular, but I think this is an overstatement. People like to try to minimize context by referring to it as excuses, but VT is a well coached and talented team that likely has more depth than the U. Duke had the best year in their football history and gave a very good TX A&M team everything that they could handle.

I was a scholarship athlete at the U years ago, so I likely hate seeing the U lose more than just about anyone, but I felt like the turn around of this program was going to take 5 years and have many bumps (bumps = losses) and that was prior to the NCAA stuff.

In 2011, FSU lost to Wake and UVA. Moreover, the Wake loss was their 3rd in a row and came after a bye week. If losing to VT and Duke, in a year that they were actually a really good team, is inexcusable, what do we call those losses by Jimbo's FSU team? All I'm saying is that, we don't know yet and likely won't for 2-3 years.

i really believe we are two years away from a really good year. next year might still have some problems on the defensive side of the ball as these young guys need time to get stronger.

Two years from now will be the first year of our next new head coach. I admire your optimism though.

 

[ghost2]

Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 3m So imagine this potential recruiting pitch from Al Golden: "I could have gone home, to my alma mater, my dream job. And I'm still at Miami."

Boom! Recruits can say he'll never leave and he's down for the U no matter what. Haters can hate but they cant deny that

Except he was never offered. You can't turn down a job that's never yours to take.

Recruits don't know that. Nobody knows that. Is it likely? Sure - but he can still pitch the **** out of it the other way...

 

[sebastian91]

FACT FACT FACT! WHY DON'T PEOPLE REALIZE THIS??????

1. because it's opinion, not fact, and 2. because it's not true (it's likely a combination of talent and coaching, which is an opinion, too)

So you think all of those teams mentioned above are as talented, or more talented than us?

Nope. Perhaps you should take another stab at reading what I wrote.

You said it's likely a combination of talent and coaching. I took that as we have mediocre talent at some spots and mediocre coaching along with that. Is that right?

That wasn't so hard now, was it? We undoubtedly have more talent (on paper!) than some of those teams, but we also have huge holes at key positions. Combine those holes with some **** poor coaching, and you get what we have. We need better players, and we need better coaching.

 

[Big Toney]

Well at least he did listen to them with class. He never lied to anyone, he kept quiet about it. I'll give him credit for that. Say what you want about Al, but is a class act. Maybe not a great coach but a class act.

Class act huh? Kept the whole staff, recruits and fan base in Limbo for 3 days and he's a class act. ok

Yes he did listen to their pitch but how do you know if he was using Penn St to get more money or insurance. Bottom line was he didn't make any statements that make him look like a liar like Saban did with the Dolphins. There was a lot of speculation the last couple of days and we may never know the truth. Most of the stories came from that clown Ferman. I'm not big on Al as a coach until he proves it on the field but the talent on defense isn't there right now and the offense suffered injuries to star players. We played with a 50% Hurns, no Herb, Dorsett and Duke. As you can see we are not deep on either side of the ball and injuries to star players cripple this team. By the way, the staff was on vacation because it was the dead period and I read one of the staff members was quoted Al told him he was staying a couple of days ago.

Ok. I don't know, but that's the main reason I am not going and calling him a class act. Perception is viewed as reality, and the perception is that he valued that job over this one. He didn't dismiss the rumors if that's all they were. Mora and Briles did.

Perception is viewed as reality?? It was 48 hours...grow up. It was big boy business and he handled it well. He doesn't owe the fans a minute by minute of his thought process and he's allowed to talk with the people that represent his alma mater without being considered a traitor. How do we know that he didn't go into the conversation with PSU as a courtesy and they backed up the brinks truck which gave him pause? We don't know what happened and we're not entitled to know, not sure why some think they are...

Agree.

 

[sebastian91]

Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 3m So imagine this potential recruiting pitch from Al Golden: "I could have gone home, to my alma mater, my dream job. And I'm still at Miami."

Boom! Recruits can say he'll never leave and he's down for the U no matter what. Haters can hate but they cant deny that

Except he was never offered. You can't turn down a job that's never yours to take.

How do you know? No flame, just curious if that's been reported somewhere credible.

 

[wherrera8]

They probably did, but that's not really what I said. My point is a talented team that has a solid coach can and often does get beaten, on any given Saturday, by a lesser talented team with a lesser coach. Now, I don't think anyone REALLY knows how good a coach Golden is at this stage. He may be a middling coach as many on here want to label him, he may have been hamstrung by circumstances up until this point. He may be learning still. (Btw, the best coach on the planet is still learning, so I don't consider that a bad thing). Frankly, I don't think anyone knows at this point and won't for another 2-3 years. Keep in mind, 12 months ago, many at FSU had serious questions about Jimbo after a few years as they we routinely losing 3-4 head scratcher games a year.

But we lost two of those in a row! FSU is a much better team than us but VT and Duke in back to back weeks is inexcusable!

Come on, is it really? I mean, I know rage is the currency and language of the internet in general and this board in particular, but I think this is an overstatement. People like to try to minimize context by referring to it as excuses, but VT is a well coached and talented team that likely has more depth than the U. Duke had the best year in their football history and gave a very good TX A&M team everything that they could handle.

I was a scholarship athlete at the U years ago, so I likely hate seeing the U lose more than just about anyone, but I felt like the turn around of this program was going to take 5 years and have many bumps (bumps = losses) and that was prior to the NCAA stuff.

In 2011, FSU lost to Wake and UVA. Moreover, the Wake loss was their 3rd in a row and came after a bye week. If losing to VT and Duke, in a year that they were actually a really good team, is inexcusable, what do we call those losses by Jimbo's FSU team? All I'm saying is that, we don't know yet and likely won't for 2-3 years.

Ok so would it be reasonable, looking at FSU's progression, to expect to be and win the Orange Bowl next year or a big bow like that.

Truthfully, I'm not sure. IMO, the QB position is such a question mark at this point that I have no idea what reasonable is. FSU had a 1st round draft pick as their QB. I think if we get solid QB play, then we will compete for a 1/1 bowl. If not, we won't. I'd be surprised if we made the Orange Bowl next year because FSU will likely stand in the way. 2 years from now, I think the Orange Bowl is definitely a reasonable goal.

Who knows what the Orange Bowl will mean any more also with the end of the BCS! Williams has a lot of talent around him. All he needs is to get them the ball and not make turnovers

 

[wherrera8]

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But we lost two of those in a row! FSU is a much better team than us but VT and Duke in back to back weeks is inexcusable!

Come on, is it really? I mean, I know rage is the currency and language of the internet in general and this board in particular, but I think this is an overstatement. People like to try to minimize context by referring to it as excuses, but VT is a well coached and talented team that likely has more depth than the U. Duke had the best year in their football history and gave a very good TX A&M team everything that they could handle.

I was a scholarship athlete at the U years ago, so I likely hate seeing the U lose more than just about anyone, but I felt like the turn around of this program was going to take 5 years and have many bumps (bumps = losses) and that was prior to the NCAA stuff.

In 2011, FSU lost to Wake and UVA. Moreover, the Wake loss was their 3rd in a row and came after a bye week. If losing to VT and Duke, in a year that they were actually a really good team, is inexcusable, what do we call those losses by Jimbo's FSU team? All I'm saying is that, we don't know yet and likely won't for 2-3 years.

Ok so would it be reasonable, looking at FSU's progression, to expect to be and win the Orange Bowl next year or a big bow like that.

Truthfully, I'm not sure. IMO, the QB position is such a question mark at this point that I have no idea what reasonable is. FSU had a 1st round draft pick as their QB. I think if we get solid QB play, then we will compete for a 1/1 bowl. If not, we won't. I'd be surprised if we made the Orange Bowl next year because FSU will likely stand in the way. 2 years from now, I think the Orange Bowl is definitely a reasonable goal.

FSU will likely be in the playoffs next year, so we can make a big bowl game even if we don't win the ACCCG I just don't know exactly how they are doing the bowls next year.[/QUOTE]

For real. What bowls will be "big"?

 

[Oh Snap]

Just wait til other chances get to use this to negatively recruit against us now.


How can these kids even trust him now?

Golden's own motto is "if you're looking we're looking". Don't know how any recruit can even take this guy seriously now.

How did kids trust Nick Saban in 2007?

 

[Gatorhater]

Just wait til other chances get to use this to negatively recruit against us now.


How can these kids even trust him now?

Golden's own motto is "if you're looking we're looking". Don't know how any recruit can even take this guy seriously now.

Doesn't hurt Al's recruiting. He took a run at the one school everyone new was the biggest threat the take him and is still here. We will say he passed on it because it is all about THE U. Winning or not winning is the last recruiting issue Al has. I think he needs to clean up his assistants but I guess he isn't. The next negative recruiting Al will hear is that he might get fired because the fans hate his BFF.

 

[LMCane]

dude I like your point but we were 9-3 this year and then lost the bowl game!

I dont post much, but time for me to say my piece. ****** ****** ***** ***** on this site.

Golden's been here 3 years under an NCAA cloud that he didn't inherit. Year 1: 6-6, Year 2: 7-5, Year 3: 8-4. For those who suck at math, that's an improvement each year! And yet people are ready to bash the man for batting an eye to PSU. When your "dream job" comes calling, you at least listen. Can't fault the man for that. Obviously it didn't work out between them. As for who said "No," I don't know and I don't care!

It's no wonder coaches don't stick around for you **** fickle fans. D scheme sucked last year, but scheme is often fitted to the players on the roster. No D line to speak of = ****ty secondary. I'm sure Golden will address the D side of the ball and needs some big uglies to be able to blitz and play man.

How about you nut jobs support the coach and this team? If you need to **** and whine like a little ****, there's 121 D-1 teams you can go be a ****ty fan for.

Remember... it's all about the ****ING []__[]!

 

[LMCane]

obviously we can't go losing to Duke, but those Blue Devils had the Heisman Trophy winner on the ropes most of the Peach Bowl, they hopefully will get much worse next year as many of them graduate

the VTech game is the worst loss of the season, they just suck

So you think all of those teams mentioned above are as talented, or more talented than us?

This is too simplistic. Belichick always discusses the fact that he's trying to build a team, not assemble talent. Take Duke for example, it's a JR and SR led team with solid depth that's been part of a program for their entire careers. There's a reason they had so much success scoring in the 4th quarter.

Winning goes way beyond who has more or less talent. Don't get me wrong, that's where it starts, but it's way more than that.

I agree. That is what I am getting at. It goes beyond talent! Duke out cached us.

They probably did, but that's not really what I said. My point is a talented team that has a solid coach can and often does get beaten, on any given Saturday, by a lesser talented team with a lesser coach. Now, I don't think anyone REALLY knows how good a coach Golden is at this stage. He may be a middling coach as many on here want to label him, he may have been hamstrung by circumstances up until this point. He may be learning still. (Btw, the best coach on the planet is still learning, so I don't consider that a bad thing). Frankly, I don't think anyone knows at this point and won't for another 2-3 years. Keep in mind, 12 months ago, many at FSU had serious questions about Jimbo after a few years as they we routinely losing 3-4 head scratcher games a year.

But we lost two of those in a row! FSU is a much better team than us but VT and Duke in back to back weeks is inexcusable!

 

[WhatTheHell]

Good call everyone on page 1, this was definitely spun in a positive way for us. We've had 3 decommits since he acted like a snake and flirted with PSU.

Any time your coach disappears for a few days amidst rumors of him leaving for another job nothing bad can every come from it, right?

This guy is ******* up our progrum and you ******* weirdos are excusing this dude the entire way. Wake up.

 

[JHallCanes]

Holy **** I can't wait to hear the **** that comes out of this guys mouth this spring.

 

[RyanCane26]

We lost more recruits because he stayed than we would've if he left