Question: Patrick Peterson Miami

[Brooklyndee]

He committed early along with Brandon Washington and one other guy. Like shortly after signing day in 2007.

When he committed, he was a big name in South Florida but not nationally. The following summer, his dad started taking him around to all these random camps to show him off (i.e., to get paid) and that's where he really blew up. He went to USC and I think named USC his leader while a UM commit, lol. Also went to camp at Texas A&M. At that point, most people started thinking that he wasn't just playing the game but was looking for the highest bidder. It made no sense that a kid from South Florida, who was committed to UM and had offers from everyone by that point, would be going to camps at schools like TAMU. It was absurdly obvious that he was beings hopped. He kept claiming he was committed to UM but it became clear he wasn't going to UM. Took a visit to LSU, kept mentioning LSU--LSU was the high bidder. It's really not even a question.

A few years later, a Texas A&M coach said on the record that he was told they had to beat like $85,000 for Patrick Johnson/Peterson. Of course, nothing happened to LSU. Willie Lyles asked Texas A&M for $80K to sign recruit Patrick Peterson

I've told you guys for years and years and years All the stuff about a job for his pops and a house All that is nonsense I've known Pat for 20 plus years now. LSU gave him $75,000 and paid for a three-bedroom apartment. He told us as long as we could give him at least 70 he was coming. We weren't in that pay for play game People always want to believe these nonsense stories that you hear from the Nevin Shapiro's and the rest of them around the world it's all fake it's all nonsense we were never into that. Even when we were on probation for Pell Grant that obviously had nothing to do with recruiting. Pat loves you um. To this day he loves um. As a family they made it a business decision and honestly it worked out for him.

 

[DemCanes10]

Pretty simple….Daddy called Randy and asked for $$$$ and Randy said kick rocks and they wouldn’t let Patrick into the Hecht as he stood outside.

Hindsight it was a great move because the Nevin stuff happened shortly after.

We would of been done!!

Kudos to Randy!

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Did Dwayne bowe want to play for Miami? Is that what Dwayne bowe 2.0 means?

Yes. That’s what it means.

 

[canadianhurricane]

I've told you guys for years and years and years All the stuff about a job for his pops and a house All that is nonsense I've known Pat for 20 plus years now. LSU gave him $75,000 and paid for a three-bedroom apartment. He told us as long as we could give him at least 70 he was coming. We weren't in that pay for play game People always want to believe these nonsense stories that you hear from the Nevin Shapiro's and the rest of them around the world it's all fake it's all nonsense we were never into that. Even when we were on probation for Pell Grant that obviously had nothing to do with recruiting. Pat loves you um. To this day he loves um. As a family they made it a business decision and honestly it worked out for him.

I always looked at situations like this as if he was my son.... would I let my son leave $70K on the table to play football for a terrible coach/team for free???

There are plenty of players who have made the best decisions for themselves and their families. You can't knock that

I remember PP being absolutely dominant at LSU. He returned kicks at 220lbs lol.He was blessed with crazy athletic ability but also played the game smart and tough.

For me, anytime a kid understands his potential, and fulfills it, I can't help but by happy for them! There are wayy too many stories of guys fu*king up their chance for greatness.

 

[E1k]

2nd Greatest CB of All-Time

**** of a Career.

In college yea

 

[Trafficante]

Thank u for elaborating & providing your reasoning; I appreciate it. U definitely make some strong pts & a case for Pat being an all-time great.

That is true in Basketball, in Football longevity does have to be equated into the argument because of the physical demand & toll it takes on players.

Playing 10+ years at peak performance is a lot easier to do in BBall than it is in Football.

But even using the peak of a player's career, specifically at CB, the Defense they played on & the team they played for has to be factored in as well.

It's much easier to be an Elite Corner when you play on an Elite Defense surrounding you, hence why Richard Sherman was looked as great despite being limited in what he actually could do.

Rod Woodson was a great CB, however, he benefitted from playing on a stacked Steelers Defense & did so during a time period in the league when rules were more favored towards the Defense in allowing much more physical contact beyond the line of scrimmage.

Yes, I agree that longevity should be taken into consideration when determining a player's greatness in fb, but should it matter more than his peak & accolades? If 2 players are comparable in terms of their peak & accolades, then other factors should definitely be weighed to determine who's better.

In order to really have the debate, the framework has to be set, what criteria are we judging the CB's by? Stats, accolades/individual success, or how they played during their career & the impact they had?

My reasoning for putting Pat at #2 All-Time is based on,
- Degree of difficulty
- Ability/Technique
- Assignments
- Game film

I agree with the criteria you've outlined here. The reason why I would place Revis above Pat, is that Revis's peak during the Revis island yrs is greater than what Pat was able to reach at any pt during his career. Revis in 09' put forth arguably the greatest season ever for a CB, & was without question robbed of a DPOY award, even though I'm a Charles Woodson fan. During this season, his impact was why the Jets fielded the no.1 overall Defense, and made it to the AFC championship with Mark Sanchez @ QB. He accomplished the following:

Revis also has more all-pro selections & a SB win on his resume, despite playing 3 less yrs because 1 was cut short due to injury. Also, the longevity argument is tricky because Pat was found guilty & served a suspension for using PEDs & a masking agent in 19'; which raises questions about whether he was using them at other pts in his career.

PED suspension should have excluded Patrick Peterson from all-decade team

The NFL unveiled its latest team of the decade on Monday.

www.nbcsports.com

As for who's more fundamentally sound: in my humble opinion I would say it's probably a wash.
Both are fundamentally sound CBs who excel in playing press-man coverage, & throughout their careers have routinely taken the assignment of guarding the opposing team's no.1 WR.

 

[dorsey1]

All I know saw him play at Pompano Beach Ely several times-


Best high school football player I’ve ever seen.

 

[scrantoncane]

Losing this kid felt like a turning point in Miami football.

Granted, we were already going in the wrong direction for a few years. But this one stung.

 

[NicKane]

I know this is putting more salt on the wound...
I was just a kid when Peterson was being recruited. Can someone give me the story what happened with him and Miami? I've seen posters say his dad pimped him out to L$U.
It would be appreciated, Thanks.

Who gives a fvck! Let’s stop living in the past and worry about the present with this program please?!

 

[Antcane]

Who gives a fvck! Let’s stop living in the past and worry about the present with this program please?!

But it's an old *** thread from 2016

 

[NicKane]

But it's an old *** thread from 2016

Again, I’ll say, who gives fvck! I can’t stand living in the past anymore with this program and whenever one of these questions gets asked on here, it’s an immediate eye roll. I just wish we could just focus on the present and the future of this program and give up the past because it’s not coming back.

 

[ben]

I remember PP being absolutely dominant at LSU. He returned kicks at 220lbs lol.He was blessed with crazy athletic ability but also played the game smart and tough.

I remember when LSU had Chad jones on returns too. They were getting absolute freaks.

 

[Calinative]

Of course not, that's because most people allow Sports media to dictate their opinions.

I'm more than comfortable with my sentiment & can explain exactly why & how I came to my conclusion. I know the CB position well & can speak from a different perspective.

There's an argument to be made for Champ Bailey, but Richard Sherman isn't even in the discussion. The only reason his name would be brought up is because of the narrative that Sports media implanted in the minds of people about the Legion Of Boom Defense. But in terms of actual Cornerback ability, Sherman is maybe on the low-end of the top 10... Maybe.

Ronnie Lott only played CB for the first 4 years of his career. He was far better as a Safety.

I’d go
1. Deion Sanders
2. Charles Woodson .. my favorite db of all time
3. Champ Bailey
4. Rod Woodson
5. Patrick Peterson
6. Darelle Revis
7. Old school Raiders: Mike Haynes, Willie Brown, Lester Hayes
8. Jalen Ramsey
9. Ty Law
10. Richard Sherman, Ronde Barber …never liked ronde but he should be ranked welll.
11. Night Train Lane, Mel Blount, other old school guys

Also shoutout guys I loved: Nandi Asomugha (if he never went to Eagles he’d be above revis), Deangelo Hall, Antonio Cromartie, Asante Samuel, Deltha O’Neal, Chris McAllister, Jonathan Joseph, Antoine Winfield… man I swear CBs were so dope during that time period

If I’m creating an entire DB room just off post 90s CBs give me

CB: Pat Peterson / Jonathan Joseph
CB: Champ Bailey / Antonio Cromartie
Nickel: Antoine Winfield / Asante Samuel
S: Charles Woodson
S: Jalen Ramsey

 

[grover]

Pretty simple….Daddy called Randy and asked for $$$$ and Randy said kick rocks and they wouldn’t let Patrick into the Hecht as he stood outside.

Hindsight it was a great move because the Nevin stuff happened shortly after.

We would of been done!!

Kudos to Randy!

I 100% do not fault Onion for the PJ-PP flip. But it is one leg in the stool of why I absolutely HATE the NCAA leadership (as in may they burn in ****). They knew everything the SEC and Taint were pulling but turned a blind eye while focusing on Nevin Shapiro's steak dinners and cigarette boats. Do not trust anything that ever comes out of that institution, including the bill they're pushing right now through Congress. It is meant to increase their power and help out their good ole boy brothers in the SEC.

 

[Memnon]

Thank u for elaborating & providing your reasoning; I appreciate it. U definitely make some strong pts & a case for Pat being an all-time great.



Yes, I agree that longevity & the amount of talent surrounding a player should be taken into consideration when determining his greatness, but do u think they are more important than the height of his peak & accolades? My pt is that peak & accolades should carry the most weight, and if they are comparable between 2 players, then longevity can serve as the tiebreaker.



I agree with the criteria you've outlined here. The reason why I would place Revis above Pat, is that Revis's peak during the Revis island yrs is greater than what Pat was able to reach at any pt during his career. Revis in 09' put forth arguably the greatest season ever for a CB in history, & was without question robbed of a DPOY award, even though I'm a Charles Woodson fan. In this season, he was the sole reason why the Jets fielded the no.1 overall Defense, and made it to the AFC championship with Mark Sanchez @ QB. He accomplished the following:

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Revis also has more all-pro selections & a SB win on his resume, despite playing 3 less yrs because 1 was cut short due to injury. Also, the longevity argument is tricky because Pat was found guilty & served a suspension for using PEDs & a masking agent in 19'; which raises questions about whether he was using them at other pts in his career.

PED suspension should have excluded Patrick Peterson from all-decade team

The NFL unveiled its latest team of the decade on Monday.

www.nbcsports.com

As for who's more fundamentally sound: in my humble opinion I would say it's probably a wash.
Both are fundamentally sound CBs who excel in playing press-man coverage, & throughout their careers have routinely taken the assignment of guarding the opposing team's no.1 WR.

Revis did have a spectacular season & was a great Corned, I don't dispute that. But where I edge Pat ahead of him is he only stayed on one side of the field. What separates Pat is he played all of the Corner spots & did it for a much longer time.

All-pro's & personal accolades of that sort are voted on by NFL media & can be arbitrary. As you stated, Revis was robbed of the DPOY in 09 which was arguably the greatest CB season ever, so how did that happen? It was voted on by the same people that gave him All-pro honors. Meaning, those individual awards & accolades aren't necessarily an indicator of actual ability & level of play.

But nonetheless, it can't be taken away from him, nor would I want to. It's just why I don't weigh it as much in my criteria in terms of how I would rank a CB All-Time.

Revis didn't win a Superbowl until he played on a Dynasty with the Patriots. The Pats & Bill Belichick have established during their run they can put CB's in the position to succeed, as exampled by Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Aqib Talib, Malcolm Butler, Stephon Gilmore etc..

As far as Pat being a steroider, I don't think that actually helps much in professional Sports, except for maybe power-lifting. The league has been & always will be filled with people who use substances, same as in Baseball it doesn't really have am overall net impact that gives one guy an advantage over another.

I understand why people have ranked Revis as high as they do & I also have him in my top 5 All-Time, so it’s not as though I'm arguing he's terrible or that he wasn’t great. I just value different things in judging a CB's career overall.

If one was to design the perfect CB, not named Deion Sanders, the description most would itemize would pretty much be Patrick Peterson.

 

[RF-4CCane]

As far as Pat being a steroider, I don't think that actually helps much in professional Sports, except for maybe power-lifting. The league has been & always will be filled with people who use substances, same as in Baseball it doesn't really have am overall net impact that gives one guy an advantage over another.

I respectfully disagree to a point.
The steroid era in MLB created quite a statistical anomaly. MLB pitching didn’t just go to crap for a decade, steroids increased bat speed significantly. Ground balls that used to be fielded were leaving the infield a % faster, increasing batting average. Warning track fly balls we’re now leaving the park. You had a plethora of guys routinely hitting 50 HR’s who never would have without steroids.

In football, I don’t know how much of an impact it’s had honestly, but it is interesting that 50+ yard FG’s have become so routine that they have become as high percentage as passing completions. If you take a look at the number of successful 50+ yard FG’s in the last 10 years, it has escalated at an astronomical rate. You used to have the freaks like Sebastion Janikowski, now half the kickers in the league are freaks.
Could it be advanced training techniques kickers are using? Perhaps, but going back to baseball, training technology hasn’t recreated the HR rates the last ten years that existed during the Roid days.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

Losing this kid felt like a turning point in Miami football.

Granted, we were already going in the wrong direction for a few years. But this one stung.

Yea those years we started losing mote and more battles that we shouldn't have.

These two didn't turn out to hurt as much as Patrick Johnson but

Deonte Thompson and Major Wright stunggggg also

 

[Ibis4life]

Did Dwayne bowe want to play for Miami? Is that what Dwayne bowe 2.0 means?

Long time ago but I remember a story being told that on his home visit his Grandma told our coaches what LSU was paying and challenged them to top it. I have no idea if it was true or made up but it did fly around boards for awhile.

 

[Trafficante]

I respectfully disagree to a point.
The steroid era in MLB created quite a statistical anomaly. MLB pitching didn’t just go to crap for a decade, steroids increased bat speed significantly. Ground balls that used to be fielded were leaving the infield a % faster, increasing batting average. Warning track fly balls we’re now leaving the park. You had a plethora of guys routinely hitting 50 HR’s who never would have without steroids.

In football, I don’t know how much of an impact it’s had honestly, but it is interesting that 50+ yard FG’s have become so routine that they have become as high percentage as passing completions. If you take a look at the number of successful 50+ yard FG’s in the last 10 years, it has escalated at an astronomical rate. You used to have the freaks like Sebastion Janikowski, now half the kickers in the league are freaks.
Could it be advanced training techniques kickers are using? Perhaps, but going back to baseball, training technology hasn’t recreated the HR rates the last ten years that existed during the Roid days.

Not all PEDs are meant to increase power output & strength; many are taken to improve an athlete's endurance & recovery, which obviously can have have a positive correlation on an athlete's longevity.

Blood doping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RF-4CCane]

Not all PEDs are meant to increase power output & strength. Many are taken to improve an athlete's endurance & recovery; which obviously can have have a positive correlation on an athlete's longevity.

Blood doping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Agree. I think that’s what Manny Ramirez was caught using trying to extend his career. Dude would probably have gone to Cooperstown if not for that.