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Post from Reddit comparing Miami, UF, and FSU.

Empirical Cane said:
Why can't Mullen do it? He has resources and ingredients to do so.

I hope he fails miserably, but HOPE is an often ineffective way at evaluating reality.

Can Lashlee and Justice stem Miami's bleeding?

Part of me wants yes (don't ever want to see Canes lose), part of me wants no (likely leads to Manuela's firing in 2020).

It truly is tough call for Miami's long term success.

ANYONE who supports Manuela is essentially advocating for Vanderbilt/Wake Forest like programs. Not good or bad, just is.

But don't kid yourself.
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I'm astonished that an intelligent person could hold this view while simultaneously analyzing all of the factors:

-Manny turned around a TERRIBLE Miami D into a very good one, and sustained it.
-The offense was a DISASTER for three years straight.
-We know the culture is a mess.
-We know the QB room is a mess, and we're coming off our least qualified QB coach ever.
-We were extremely young on offense.
-We had one of the thinnest OL rooms in our history.

It was one year. I'd love to know how you expect any first year coach to overcome all of that. I'm not saying Manny IS the answer. But any conclusion that he's NOT with those contributing factors is myopic at best.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
A key metric will be run blocking in 2020, especially 3rd down/short yardage/goal line.

Remember, Lashlee's scheme will not FIX Canes' putrid OL, but rather MASK their pass protection failures. Not necessarily a bad thing, but make no mistake, scheme doesn't fix DIII quality OL'rs.
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Well, I mean... duh?

The only thing that's going to fix the OL is three years of good recruiting, development of depth, excellent S&C and experience. Nothing short of that will make much of a difference.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Why can't Mullen do it? He has resources and ingredients to do so.
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As for Mullen... why couldn't Zook do it? Or McElwain? Or Muschamp? Or any of their other coaches not named Spurrier or Meyer?

Mullen can't do it because he's never gonna earn the respect of the locker room. The guy is a doofus, plain and simple.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
I'm astonished that an intelligent person could hold this view while simultaneously analyzing all of the factors:

-Manny turned around a TERRIBLE Miami D into a very good one, and sustained it.
-The offense was a DISASTER for three years straight.
-We know the culture is a mess.
-We know the QB room is a mess, and we're coming off our least qualified QB coach ever.
-We were extremely young on offense.
-We had one of the thinnest OL rooms in our history.

It was one year. I'd love to know how you expect any first year coach to overcome all of that. I'm not saying Manny IS the answer. But any conclusion that he's NOT with those contributing factors is myopic at best.
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Agree...kinda sorta...ummm...

- Manuela changed D schemes from awful D'No to one that actually works across bell curve of teams
- Correct. Miami's 10W run was a mirage and I, and others, pointed out several were D Ws, not O Ws
- Manuela was intimately involved w/ culture prior to becoming HC
- Not a Enos defender, but wasn't terrible in Bama organization...but it does prove there are no single saviours of any organization...it's a team concept
- So were other far more successful Os
- OL wasn't thin, just DIII caliber

Manuela's Canes made mistake after mistake that had nothing to do with above.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Agree...kinda sorta...ummm...

- Manuela changed D schemes from awful D'No to one that actually works across bell curve of teams
- Correct. Miami's 10W run was a mirage and I, and others, pointed out several were D Ws, not O Ws
- Manuela was intimately involved w/ culture prior to becoming HC
- Not a Enos defender, but wasn't terrible in Bama organization...but it does prove there are no single saviours of any organization...it's a team concept
- So were other far more successful Os
- OL wasn't thin, just DIII caliber

Manuela's Canes made mistake after mistake that had nothing to do with above.
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I really don't get the critique of Manny being part of the "culture problem" when his side of the ball for the most part didn't have guys quitting or stories breaking out defensive players out partying and slinging yayo.

Most of the "culture problems" seem to come from the offensive part of the side of the ball and realistically don't know how you expect a coach to fix that in a few months

This season will say everything about Manny, anything short of 10 wins is a disgrace with the schedule we have and the quality of assistant coaches we brought in on the offensive side of the ball
 
HurricaneHauk said:
I really don't get the critique of Manny being part of the "culture problem" when his side of the ball for the most part didn't have guys quitting or stories breaking out defensive players out partying and slinging yayo.

Most of the "culture problems" seem to come from the offensive part of the side of the ball and realistically don't know how you expect a coach to fix that in a few months

This season will say everything about Manny, anything short of 10 wins is a disgrace with the schedule we have and the quality of assistant coaches we brought in on the offensive side of the ball
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Anything short of 11 regular season wins is a disgrace.
 
HurricaneHauk said:
I really don't get the critique of Manny being part of the "culture problem" when his side of the ball for the most part didn't have guys quitting or stories breaking out defensive players out partying and slinging yayo.

Most of the "culture problems" seem to come from the offensive part of the side of the ball and realistically don't know how you expect a coach to fix that in a few months

This season will say everything about Manny, anything short of 10 wins is a disgrace with the schedule we have and the quality of assistant coaches we brought in on the offensive side of the ball
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I don't see how you can say anything less than 10 wins is a disgrace because, after all, Manuela has only been HC for one full team building cycle.

Everyone knows in CFB is takes 3 cycles to fully turn over a roster.

I mean, give him a break!!!!

Funny how your analysis methodology works.

I for one feel he is using "culture" as an excuse. If he didn't know/see how broken the O was, he should have NEVER been hired in first place. He was the DC FFS.

SMH.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
It's not a try, it's a trend.

Let's hope they can turn it around.

Make zero mistake--serious people who know about organizations and performance know this--Manuela's 2019 was not an aberration.

His hires of Lashlee and Justice as from desperation, not strength. It's those two, and not Manuela, whose 2020 success rests upon.
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None of what you have said yet justifies a loss to Wagner. You may speak well, but that doesn't mean what you are saying is intelligent. 0-4 wins is just plain ignorant. Miami has not had a season like that in 40 years. Don't kid yourself. Miami's 2019 season was a different kicker away from being 8-9 wins. Keep insulting me, it makes you smarter about football.
 
Kjdcanefan said:
None of what you have said yet justifies a loss to Wagner. You may speak well, but that doesn't mean what you are saying is intelligent. 0-4 wins is just plain ignorant. Miami has not had a season like that in 40 years. Don't kid yourself. Miami's 2019 season was a different kicker away from being 8-9 wins. Keep insulting me, it makes you smarter about football.
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I'm not insulting you as you are doing an outstanding job on your own.

I 100% want to be wrong on my worst case estimate for 2020.
 
Kjdcanefan said:
None of what you have said yet justifies a loss to Wagner. You may speak well, but that doesn't mean what you are saying is intelligent. 0-4 wins is just plain ignorant. Miami has not had a season like that in 40 years. Don't kid yourself. Miami's 2019 season was a different kicker away from being 8-9 wins. Keep insulting me, it makes you smarter about football.
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Ah yes, the empty platitudes of the logically defeated.

What's next? A shrug emoji?

Lay out this case: how do you think each OLr from last season gets better?

Remember, they had well past the hours of deliberate practice (20+ hours) BEFORE UF's game and still gave up 10 sacks and how many hurries?

And the train wreck continued throughout the season.

Was Miami's DL that awful where they provided no real test in practice?
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'm not certain we watched the same Hurricanes last season.

The current OL has topped out. No amount of coaching will fix it. A scheme MIGHT take a 1/2 second of pressure off, but run blocks are still run blocks.

Unless the entire OL is changed out prior to kickoff against Temple, guaranteed DIII OL performance.

Again.
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These are 18 19 20 year old kids no way have they “topped out”.
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'm not insulting you as you are doing an outstanding job on your own.

I 100% want to be wrong on my worst case estimate for 2020.
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I've noticed you've become more pessimistic about our chances. I really want you to be pleasantly surprised.
 
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JD08 said:
I've noticed you've become more pessimistic about our chances. I really want you to be pleasantly surprised.
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I'm not certain (ok I am certain) the muppets recognize (because they are muppets) how poor of an organizational leader Manuela proved to be last season.

There is no fixing that. He can be propped up by some assistants, but at the end of the day, he is not HC material for a successful D1P5 program.

Not even close.
 
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