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Doppelganger said:
Loose Cannon said:
The problem is that she was the president of the University, and IT WAS HER JOB to know these things.
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It's the President's job to know that a donor is secretly the proprietor of a Ponzi Scheme?

What the **** are you talking about?

That is next level retardation.
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It is absolutely her job to know what kind of people we are accepting money from. The NCAA sure does expect her to know.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
The proof is that when Shalala took the job, the football program was on the up and up. We had the greatest college football team in the history of the sport. And when she left it was in the gutter and we suffered our worst home loss in history. This is the reality. I don't have to plot you a ****ing series of events or chart each bad decision and tie it directly to her. She was the president.
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Again, correlation vs. causation.

You've basically violated every logical rule known to man in this thread.

And you're not even technically accurate.

We hadn't won a championship in 10 years before her arrival and her last game as President was the Independence Bowl vs. South Carolina.

I don't credit or blame her for any of that though because that would be stupid.
 
Doppelganger, If you are going to give her props for some things that occured during her tenure, you have to fault her for other things that went on during her tenure:

From lofty visions to big layoffs at UM | Miami Herald

- Layoffs

-Overpaying for Ceders

- The failure to discover the theft of $14 Million in cancer drugs

- The very public Chronicle of Higher Education article and feud which did the university's peer review score no favor
Shalala: Article's Conclusions Are 'Unsupported and Inaccurate' - The Chronicle of Higher Education

- Shapiro...Like it or not, that bowling alley picture tells a thousand words.

Indeed, Shalala's work got UM up to #38 in the US News Ranking and she was UM's President's during the last National Championship, but if she is credited for these accomplishments (including the Momentum campaigns raising sugnificant $$$) as captain of the ship, she has to take the blame for Shapiro and the Chronicle feud taking UM out of the US News Top 50 and the Football Program's precipitous slide.
 
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding, but you're still failing to address the reality. When she became president of the University of Miami we were the greatest football team the world has ever seen. With her at the wheel, we suffered the greatest decline in sports history. She was the President. either through her direct action or inaction, that is what happened. Obfuscate all you want, but the reality stands on its own and as president, she was the one person who was ultimately responsible for every aspect of the university.
 
Doppelganger said:
Jedi Master Cane said:
You really think she's not a worthless piece of **** and if nothing else, the unluckiest charm in the history of the world?

This IS a new low
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The board is mostly ceremonial. Like most boards on this Earth.

But you're a clueless neanderthal who's allergic to facts.
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But we're fun neanderthals, while you obviously have a stick crammed up your pucker. If you'll send CIS ten bucks, we'll use that to make a purchase, and you'll be able to double your personality as right now, you're probably as welcome in social configurations as a dose of the clap.

Everything Donna Shalala touched or influenced - turned to pure crap.

Fact.
 
miamicanephins said:
ACC money has helped, but would/did she appropriate the funds for the football program?
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Why are you asking me rhetorical questions?

I think it's because you truly don't know anything.

The football program is the bell cow of this athletic department. It makes the most money and the most money is spent on it. Period.
 
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miamicanephins said:
And what does Shapiro have to do with this? We're talking about her commitment to football.
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You whined that the University was cheap and then when they raised money (from dubious figures in retrospect) you whined about that.

So they don't spend money and you whine.

Then they raise money to spend on football and you whine.
 
miamicanephins said:
Why weren't the athletic people doing their job under her watch?
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They were. But as all grown-ups know not everything is successful all the time (or even most of the time).

But this is a perfect response from you.

If we weren't winning games then nobody was doing their job.

Typical fanboy claptrap.
 
Doppelganger said:
Loose Cannon said:
The proof is that when Shalala took the job, the football program was on the up and up. We had the greatest college football team in the history of the sport. And when she left it was in the gutter and we suffered our worst home loss in history. This is the reality. I don't have to plot you a ****ing series of events or chart each bad decision and tie it directly to her. She was the president.
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Again, correlation vs. causation.

You've basically violated every logical rule known to man in this thread.

And you're not even technically accurate.

We hadn't won a championship in 10 years before her arrival and her last game as President was the Independence Bowl vs. South Carolina.

I don't credit or blame her for any of that though because that would be stupid.
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Yes. Totally stupid of me to place any blame on the President of the University. Not like she had any control over anything...what did the NCAA call it? Oh yeah..."Lack of Institutional Control."

But I'm certain they were directing that to someone else. Not the president, who's supposed to be in control of the institution.
 
canestim said:
You want to credit Shalala with the 5th but want to ignore us sucking **** for a decade and a half after Butch's players left during her tenure, makes sense.
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No I don't.

I've been using any credit for Shalala regarding 2001 to mock you and others who want to credit a bunch of people who aren't involved.
 
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Doppelganger said:
canestim said:
4 national championships during his tenure and the man hired under his tenure set up the championship for Coker.
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Tad Foote was helpless to stop the machine that was set in motion before he even stepped on campus.
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However you want to spin it, he certainly didn't get in the way of the machine because we won 4 championships under his 20+ years. Shalala turned the machine into a joke dumpster fire. That's not to say she didn't do anything good or love the U but her leadership of the athletic department overall sucked.
 
After the 6-7 season there were several insiders on this board who had ties to the program that all said she would not allow Golden to be fired during her final year as president of the University. During that season she also did several interviews in support of Golden. Miami also had a reputation of not paying for assistants and you say that is because the University didn't have money. That's a lie. Within a year of her being fired we offered a DC 1 million. There was a time while Shannon was head coach that he wasn't making much more than that.
 
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