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OT: RIP the great Eddie Van Halen

HurricaneinLA said:
Sammy Hagar had a much better voice and way more talent. DLR had equipment the VH brothers did not have in the beginning to get the band going. About twenty years ago this long-haired burnt out looking dude was always getting dropped off by a taxi across the street from where I lived. Then later picked up. I finally realized it was David Lee Roth that was always hooking up with an old girlfriend. She looked like an old many miles put on her groupy that you could tell was smoking hot back in her day. She was a friend of one of my girlfriends and then heard some crazy stories.
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Helluva story. I just preferred Sammy’s voice and the songs produced while he was with VH. There were a few while DLR was with them that I liked.
 
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Apex Predator said:
What i'm saying is not registering because you're an ideological partisan hack. You think America had Socialism/Communism after the great depression during the post WW2 era up until Nixon's presidency when income inequality was far less pronounced due to progressive taxation, wage controls, increased public employment, growth of labor unions, and increases in educational attainment? Beginning in the late 70's, regressive taxation & neoliberal policies began to favor capital over labor, and worker salaries stagnated despite increased productivity, which ultimately led to inequality returning to pre-Depression-era levels. I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but do you understand now, how income inequality is not the result of personal virtue or class jealousy?? You should ask yourself if you were currently a part of the bottom 50% who only possessed 3% of the wealth, would you still vehemently oppose wealth redistribution?? You and I both know the answer to that question. Of course not because you're morally bankrupt, and lack even an ounce of integrity & character. If your fealty to individualism stems from socio-economic status, then that's not a legitimate reason to preserve or uphold the current political system/institution because essentially that means your freedom is infringing on someone else's.

Now your next homework assignment is to understand how grotesque levels of income inequality & corporatism are just as much of a threat to your life, liberty & happiness as a tyrannical govt. is. I know this is going to be a difficult assignment for you, but if you try really hard, you'll get it. I don't think your brain will explode. No more reading Milton Friedman & Thomas Sowell for you. It's turning your brain to mush
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He will be laid to rest in Panama with Jamie providing the eulogy.

Heard she is takkng his passing pretty hard.
 
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Apex Predator said:
What i'm saying is not registering because you're an ideological partisan hack. You think America had Socialism/Communism after the great depression during the post WW2 era up until Nixon's presidency when income inequality was far less pronounced due to progressive taxation, wage controls, increased public employment, growth of labor unions, and increases in educational attainment? Beginning in the late 70's, regressive taxation & neoliberal policies began to favor capital over labor, and worker salaries stagnated despite increased productivity, which ultimately led to inequality returning to pre-Depression-era levels. I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but do you understand now, how income inequality is not the result of personal virtue or class jealousy?? You should ask yourself if you were currently a part of the bottom 50% who only possessed 3% of the wealth, would you still vehemently oppose wealth redistribution?? You and I both know the answer to that question. Of course not because you're morally bankrupt, and lack even an ounce of integrity & character. If your fealty to individualism stems from socio-economic status, then that's not a legitimate reason to preserve or uphold the current political system/institution because essentially that means your freedom is infringing on someone else's.

Now your next homework assignment is to understand how grotesque levels of income inequality & corporatism are just as much of a threat to your life, liberty & happiness as a tyrannical govt. is. I know this is going to be a difficult assignment for you, but if you try really hard, you'll get it. I don't think your brain will explode. No more reading Milton Friedman & Thomas Sowell for you. It's turning your brain to mush
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RVACane said:
I was at the 83 show at the Smokatorium. Saw Diver Down and 1984. I’m trying to remember if I saw Fair Warning as well.
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81 was an Orlando tag on with the Stones. It was the only show they played with the stones at the old tangerine bowl. I believe they were on and diverted from their fair warning tour to play it. Great stuff.
 
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RVACane said:
I was at the 83 show at the Smokatorium. Saw Diver Down and 1984. I’m trying to remember if I saw Fair Warning as well.
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It was a smokeatorium😂. I remember as soon as the lights went down, joints would go by left and right down the line, and when the lights went on between acts, their was about about a 30’ smoke layer floating beneath the ceiling...lol. Great time to be young back then.
 
gatorsSUCK! said:
Got to see them at the old Hollywood Sportatorium on the Fair Warning tour🤘RIP🙏
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Yes, correct me if I'm wrong but back then they always started their tours at the Hollywood Sportatorium? Saw the 1984 opening concert there and of course, then opened up with Unchained! I was third row on the right side about ten feet from Eddie. At 16, with hot girls hanging on to my shoulders, it didn't get any better than that.
 
Todays music is just crap. A bunch of singers that can't write a song or play an instrument. The entire billboard hot 100 are songs written by the same few writers. Just sad what has become of American music.

I saw VH I think 4 times. Too bad EVH and DLR couldn't make it work. Fair Warning was their best album not a bad song on it.
 
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One of the most innovative, influential, and transcendent talents of our time. He is one of the reasons that I picked up the guitar and he was personally responsible for inspiring tens of thousands of people to play the guitar. In addition to his rare technical prowess, Eddie had something incredibly special that millions of guitarists can only dream of and that is a completely original, unique and instantly recognizable playing style. He is also famous for his own unique signature sound. "The Brown Sound" is something other guitarists have been attempting to emulated for decades. Eddie Van Halen was and still is the very definition of a guitar icon. His contribution to the guitar, and to rock music in general will live on and continue to inspire guitarists for decades to come and will never be forgotten. RIP Eddie Van Halen.
 
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bobbydigius said:
Top 3 and that is putting is kindly. The combination of innovator, technical prowess and songwriting was next level. As a former guitar player, I always ask when talking about the greats for people to make the argument why he isn’t the GOAT.
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I think a bunch of guitar greats just look at Eddie Van Halen as an alien. They have a list of great guitar players and then their is that mutant. And I mean that in the best possible way. Just a different animal.

Sadly, now that he has passed people will realize just how amazing he was with a guitar in his hand.

How many kids picked up a guitar because of EVH.
 
423Hurricane said:
Helluva story. I just preferred Sammy’s voice and the songs produced while he was with VH. There were a few while DLR was with them that I liked.
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People have to understand the difference between DLR and Sammy as voices, as front-men, and how they fit into the VH music. And also to acknowledge if the "first time you heard/liked Van Halen was when Sammy was in the band".

Don't get me wrong, I love Sammy. I had most of Sammy's solo records before he ever joined VH, I especially loved Standing Hampton and Three Lock Box (and the HSAS one-off). But as a solo artist, Sammy never had a dominant guitar virtuoso to play against, and his singing was more important to the success of his songs.

But DLR is truly unique, and there was a valid reason why people doubted the viability of VH after he left/was kicked out. The reason I posted the VH demos is so that people can remember how great that band was in the early formative stages. They were volcanic and one-of-a-kind. VH was such a bizarrely great band that a bunch of music people didn't know what to do with them. Gene Simmons, Ted Templeman, and Mo Ostin were the only visionaries. And the DLR vocals were unbelievably important to the overall sound of VH, because he had to stand out from one of the greatest and most powerful guitar-bass-drum combos EVER.

Listen to the DLR vocal isolations from Runnin' With The Devil sometime. Good lord, DLR was amazing. Just his spoken improvs..."Have you seen junior's grades?"..."Whoo-eee, you'll get some leg tonight for sure...hey, hey, hey, hey, one break comin' up!"..."Reach down between my legs...and...ease the seat back..." In his entire career, has Sammy ever come up with three that are THAT good? Ice Cream Man? "All my flavors are guarante-ee-ee-ee-ee-eed to satisfy..."? Dave may be a bit full of himself, but when he strikes gold, he finds a vein that no one else can or ever did.

And, yes, I have heard Sammy talk about the vocal differences, that DLR sang "with" the song, while Sammy could sing "across" the song. I completely agree with Sammy, but I still loved DLR's vocals more.

And I'll be honest, when DLR came out with Eat 'Em and Smile, I liked it better than 5150. That flipped when Skyscraper and OU812 came out.

I love both VH eras, but DLR > Sammy.

Finally, here's a recent video of DLR and the brothers actually getting along. Love the old stories. And, yes, DLR has always been a handful.


 
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TheOriginalCane said:
People have to understand the difference between DLR and Sammy as voices, as front-men, and how they fit into the VH music. And also to acknowledge if the "first time you heard/liked Van Halen was when Sammy was in the band".

Don't get me wrong, I love Sammy. I had most of Sammy's solo records before he ever joined VH, I especially loved Standing Hampton and Three Lock Box (and the HSAS one-off). But as a solo artist, Sammy never had a dominant guitar virtuoso to play against, and his singing was more important to the success of his songs.

But DLR is truly unique, and there was a valid reason why people doubted the viability of VH after he left/was kicked out. The reason I posted the VH demos is so that people can remember how great that band was in the early formative stages. They were volcanic and one-of-a-kind. VH was such a bizarrely great band that a bunch of music people didn't know what to do with them. Gene Simmons, Ted Templeman, and Mo Ostin were the only visionaries. And the DLR vocals were unbelievably important to the overall sound of VH, because he had to stand out from one of the greatest and most powerful guitar-bass-drum combos EVER.

Listen to the DLR vocal isolations from Runnin' With The Devil sometime. Good lord, DLR was amazing. Just his spoken improvs..."Have you seen junior's grades?"..."Whoo-eee, you'll get some leg tonight for sure...hey, hey, hey, hey, one break comin' up!"..."Reach down between my legs...and...ease the seat back..." In his entire career, has Sammy ever come up with three that are THAT good? Ice Cream Man? "All my flavors are guarante-ee-ee-ee-ee-eed to satisfy..."? Dave may be a bit full of himself, but when he strikes gold, he finds a vein that no one else can or ever did.

And, yes, I have heard Sammy talk about the vocal differences, that DLR sang "with" the song, while Sammy could sing "across" the song. I completely agree with Sammy, but I still loved DLR's vocals more.

And I'll be honest, when DLR came out with Eat 'Em and Smile, I liked it better than 5150. That flipped when Skyscraper and OU812 came out.

I love both VH eras, but DLR > Sammy.

Finally, here's a recent video of DLR and the brothers actually getting along. Love the old stories. And, yes, DLR has always been a handful.


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As I mentioned, just a personal preference. I agree with Sammy on how he and DLR's singing were different. That's obvious. I've never been a big VH fan but acknowledge Eddie as one the greatest guitarists ever. Don't get me wrong, I liked a lot of their stuff just preferred Sammy over DLR.
 
423Hurricane said:
As I mentioned, just a personal preference. I agree with Sammy on how he and DLR's singing were different. That's obvious. I've never been a big VH fan but acknowledge Eddie as one the greatest guitarists ever. Don't get me wrong, I liked a lot of their stuff just preferred Sammy over DLR.
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Yeah, and I wasn't criticizing you personally. I just know there are a lot of younger folks who never lived through the annual wait for the new VH album (when Diamond Dave was in the band). I still remember the good old days when you would go to the mall, and the record store was plastered with red/white "diver down" flags, or the gold/black cannon for the new AC/DC album.

And for the record, Dave vs. Sammy is a great debate. As Howard Stern pointed out, there aren't many band that have had two different legendary lead singers (not counting bands with multiple singers, like Fleetwood Mac or Chicago). AC/DC (Bon & Brian), Genesis (Gabriel and Collins), and Black Sabbath (Ozzy and Dio). MAYBE Deep Purple (Ian Gillan, David Coverdale).

Both Van Halens are great, I just think a lot of people write off DLR too easily these days, as his voice has definitely slipped.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, and I wasn't criticizing you personally. I just know there are a lot of younger folks who never lived through the annual wait for the new VH album (when Diamond Dave was in the band). I still remember the good old days when you would go to the mall, and the record store was plastered with red/white "diver down" flags, or the gold/black cannon for the new AC/DC album.

And for the record, Dave vs. Sammy is a great debate. As Howard Stern pointed out, there aren't many band that have had two different legendary lead singers (not counting bands with multiple singers, like Fleetwood Mac or Chicago). AC/DC (Bon & Brian), Genesis (Gabriel and Collins), and Black Sabbath (Ozzy and Dio). MAYBE Deep Purple (Ian Gillan, David Coverdale).

Both Van Halens are great, I just think a lot of people write off DLR too easily these days, as his voice has definitely slipped.
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Wasn’t offended at al. Sorry if my comments made it seem so. No doubt about the good old days. We couldn’t wait for our favorite bands next vinyl release and head to Peaches to get it.

Unfortunately, most of our music hero’s aren’t getting any younger. We ain’t either! Lol
 
423Hurricane said:
Wasn’t offended at al. Sorry if my comments made it seem so. No doubt about the good old days. We couldn’t wait for our favorite bands next vinyl release and head to Peaches to get it.

Unfortunately, most of our music hero’s aren’t getting any younger. We ain’t either! Lol
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Yep. And what bugs the crap out of me is that the younger generations don't seem to value, teach/learn, and enjoy musicians who play instruments live. Way too much "other songwriters" and "autotune" and "heavy production trickery".

Who actually plays rock guitar and is moderately popular? The Killers. Pearl Jam (30 years in, not getting any younger). Haim? Green Day (see, generally, Pearl Jam). Foo Fighters (same). G'n'R (if they ever release a new album). Weezer. U2 (see, generally, Pearl Jam, then add 10 years). Nine Inch Nails (when not doing soundtracks). DON'T SAY NICKELBACK. And all the classic bands are dying off.
 
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