Off-Topic OT: FSU Active Shooter

[JHallCanes]

Every time this happens you hear the same narratives about guns and symptoms and mental health etc

Mass shootings have been trending in the United States for a long time. That’s why it happens more here

 

[JD08]

Every time this happens you hear the same narratives about guns and symptoms and mental health etc

Mass shootings have been trending in the United States for a long time. That’s why it happens more here

Why so much since Columbine? What spurred this trend?

 

[Bender]

Why so much since Columbine? What spurred this trend?

Because Columbine set a trend. Same way Elliot Rodger set a trend.

**** hasn't changed one bit. There's genuine hate between generations and an absolute lack of desire in trying to put people up. People don't give a **** about ensuring that children and the youth have the best conditions to shape the future.

And the worst rejects have no empathy for other peoples lives because no one has any empathy left for them. And you can go through so many of these mass shooting incidents - hate and rejection are at the absolute core every time.

Guns aren't the root cause, but they make **** 100x easier.

 

[JHallCanes]

Why so much since Columbine? What spurred this trend?

I’ll try to keep my thoughts on the rails here because it’s just ******* insane

I mentioned it earlier in the thread that there’s just something about this age of influence we are in right now. It’s not age of information anymore it’s influence

(People here that know me know my life is intertwined with social media and influence and influencers so I’ve seen up close a lot of good and a lot of bad)

I gotta tell ya brother. Thank god I didn’t have social media until I was older. Even as a grown man that is somewhat normal you can feel the strange things it does

I think social media is incredible but there’s a role playing aspect to it that sucks people in. The more the media and people “glamorize” it the more appealing it gets

I say glamorize in quotes because sometimes things that are horrific are appealing to some

People are bored and desperate for attention any way they can get it and as a grown man it scares the **** out of me how people treat eachother

It’s like a detached form of reality where other humans become avatars instead of actual people. People create alter egos and avatars of themselves because it’s more appealing than being them

Apologies for the random word vomit without being a coherent thought I just don’t know where we went wrong

 

[Bender]

I’ll try to keep my thoughts on the rails here because it’s just ******* insane

I mentioned it earlier in the thread that there’s just something about this age of influence we are in right now. It’s not age of information anymore it’s influence

(People here that know me know my life is intertwined with social media and influence and influencers so I’ve seen up close a lot of good and a lot of bad)

I gotta tell ya brother. Thank god I didn’t have social media until I was older. Even as a grown man that is somewhat normal you can feel the strange things it does

I think social media is incredible but there’s a role playing aspect to it that sucks people in. The more the media and people “glamorize” it the more appealing it gets

I say glamorize in quotes because sometimes things that are horrific are appealing to some

People are bored and desperate for attention any way they can get it and as a grown man it scares the **** out of me how people treat eachother

It’s like a detached form of reality where other humans become avatars instead of actual people. People create alter egos and avatars of themselves because it’s more appealing than being them

Apologies for the random word vomit without being a coherent thought I just don’t know where we went wrong

I don't think you can point to any instance where stuff went wrong. I think that there's something that sparks these things to happen, but these things have existed for longer periods of time.

My "worst hobby", as I call it, is analyzing serial murders and what happened in their life that leads to their actions. You name them, Dahmer, Bundy, Manson or Ramirez - every single one of them was raised in very poor conditions with physical and mental abuse, sometimes even sexual or the exposure to these things led them towards a path where antisocial and violent behavior became apparent very early on. And these things happened a lot in poor areas, because poverty is fuel for criminal activity.

And human development is something crazy. The smallest tipping points can cause someone to lose their **** entirely. Mike Tyson has brutal childhood memories and was a model citizen during his time with Cus. The moment Cus died and Tyson losing his familiy surroundings, he became the person he was exposed to as a child.

The root cause for why this **** happens is so ******* deep and horrible, but people don't want to talk about it. They sidestep the issue and go "It's the video games" for example.

 

[JD08]

Because Columbine set a trend. Same way Elliot Rodger set a trend.

**** hasn't changed one bit. There's genuine hate between generations and an absolute lack of desire in trying to put people up. People don't give a **** about ensuring that children and the youth have the best conditions to shape the future.

And the worst rejects have no empathy for other peoples lives because no one has any empathy left for them. And you can go through so many of these mass shooting incidents - hate and rejection are at the absolute core every time.

Guns aren't the root cause, but they make **** 100x easier.

The societal influences are all focusing on the negative lately. How bad things are, how bad people are, doom and gloom. Look at that PhD student in the news for writing an article about is it time to start killing people. Dehumanizing people into objects of scorn is how we get to the point where killing becomes the moral choice and once people think they're doing the right thing, they'll do horrible things.

 

[JHallCanes]

I don't think you can point to any instance where stuff went wrong. I think that there's something that sparks these things to happen, but these things have existed for longer periods of time.

My "worst hobby", as I call it, is analyzing serial murders and what happened in their life that leads to their actions. You name them, Dahmer, Bundy, Manson or Ramirez - every single one of them was raised in very poor conditions with physical and mental abuse, sometimes even sexual or the exposure to these things led them towards a path where antisocial and violent behavior became apparent very early on. And these things happened a lot in poor areas, because poverty is fuel for criminal activity.

And human development is something crazy. The smallest tipping points can cause someone to lose their **** entirely. Mike Tyson has brutal childhood memories and was a model citizen during his time with Cus. The moment Cus died and Tyson losing his familiy surroundings, he became the person he was exposed to as a child.

The root cause for why this **** happens is so ******* deep and horrible, but people don't want to talk about it. They sidestep the issue and go "It's the video games" for example.

Agreed. I think that’s what gets frustrating with the conversations where immediately people take a tragedy and want to push their narrative

Within seconds everyone has staked their claim and who is to blame which is the second layer to the problem

Take any tragedy that happens and people don’t even wait for the bodies to get cold it’s a feeding frenzy

Tragedy is good for ratings and not just by media standards

 

[JD08]

I don't think you can point to any instance where stuff went wrong. I think that there's something that sparks these things to happen, but these things have existed for longer periods of time.

My "worst hobby", as I call it, is analyzing serial murders and what happened in their life that leads to their actions. You name them, Dahmer, Bundy, Manson or Ramirez - every single one of them was raised in very poor conditions with physical and mental abuse, sometimes even sexual or the exposure to these things led them towards a path where antisocial and violent behavior became apparent very early on. And these things happened a lot in poor areas, because poverty is fuel for criminal activity.

And human development is something crazy. The smallest tipping points can cause someone to lose their **** entirely. Mike Tyson has brutal childhood memories and was a model citizen during his time with Cus. The moment Cus died and Tyson losing his familiy surroundings, he became the person he was exposed to as a child.

The root cause for why this **** happens is so ******* deep and horrible, but people don't want to talk about it. They sidestep the issue and go "It's the video games" for example.

Add medication as well. Listen to the side effects of any of the psychoactive medications. The right combination of childhood issues, influences, brain chemistry can cause bad things to happen.

 

[JHallCanes]

The societal influences are all focusing on the negative lately. How bad things are, how bad people are, doom and gloom. Look at that PhD student in the news for writing an article about is it time to start killing people. Dehumanizing people into objects of scorn is how we get to the point where killing becomes the moral choice and once people think they're doing the right thing, they'll do horrible things.

I often find myself telling people “you find what you’re looking for”

Sounds dumb but if you’re looking for happy motivational stuff the algorithm with find you

But there’s always something taboo and appealing about dark ****

Most people can keep it in check but not everyone

 

[JHallCanes]

Add medication as well. Listen to the side effects of any of the psychoactive medications. The right combination of childhood issues, influences, brain chemistry can cause bad things to happen.

Was reading some studies recently about how young people don’t use alcohol anymore

Which is good right? Except it’s being replaced

I talk to people literally every day about brain health, anxiety, depression etc and **** near everyone is on adderall and SSRIs

Which I’m not against those things for the right people but I don’t use them because it absolutely ***** with my brain I’m just old enough to be aware of the changes

 

[Bender]

The societal influences are all focusing on the negative lately. How bad things are, how bad people are, doom and gloom. Look at that PhD student in the news for writing an article about is it time to start killing people. Dehumanizing people into objects of scorn is how we get to the point where killing becomes the moral choice and once people think they're doing the right thing, they'll do horrible things.

People are numbers on sheets of paper. We have ****-poor leadership and education in how we treat one another.

Honestly, it's awful.

 

[Groz73Cane]

It's just a component. Along with mental health, over prescription, poor child-rearing, and a bunch of other factors. People tend to rush to blame guns or politicians, but the UK has stabbing on the regular to the point where they're talking about making kitchen knives with blunt tips.

There is some missing component where people fail to see the value in a human life.

Do you think that if the UK had the same access to guns as we do, knives would still be the weapon of choice, all things being equal, that is? Seems like the missing component is guns. But I could just be forwarding an agenda.

 

[JHallCanes]

People are numbers on sheets of paper. We have ****-poor leadership and education in how we treat one another.

Honestly, it's awful.

I’m an eternally optimistic human being but it gets worse every day as well

The more generations that grow up with it being engrained and having kids the worse it gets

There’s some incredible life changing aspects to social media positively but I just don’t think most people can handle the power it wields

 

[JD08]

I often find myself telling people “you find what you’re looking for”

Sounds dumb but if you’re looking for happy motivational stuff the algorithm with find you

But there’s always something taboo and appealing about dark ****

Most people can keep it in check but not everyone

Everyone focused on the "manipulate time and space" part, but he nails the entire concept here. People my age expected technology to progress for the betterment of everyone, not to give people ways to video bum fights and dance challenges and isolate themselves from the rest of the world.

Remarks by Director Kratsios at the Endless Frontiers Retreat

THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICAN INNOVATION AS PREPARED FOR DELIVERY Endless Frontiers Retreat, Austin, Texas April 14, 2025 THE DIRECTOR: Thank you for the

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[JD08]

Do you think that if the UK had the same access to guns as we do, knives would still be the weapon of choice, all things being equal, that is? Seems like the missing component is guns. But I could just be forwarding an agenda.

Is it okay if people get killed with knives as opposed to guns? Removing the tool doesn't make them well adjusted individuals.

 

[Bender]

I’m an eternally optimistic human being but it gets worse every day as well

The more generations that grow up with it being engrained and having kids the worse it gets

There’s some incredible life changing aspects to social media positively but I just don’t think most people can handle the power it wields

It starts ahead of social media. Way ahead.

We just treat each other on average like ****. We really do. The internet just amplifies that and multiplies the issue the same way guns make it much easier to become a mass murderer. It adds fuel to the fire.

But the root cause is how we treat one another. And that's just hate and negativity from day 1.

 

[RF-4CCane]

I don't think you can point to any instance where stuff went wrong. I think that there's something that sparks these things to happen, but these things have existed for longer periods of time.

My "worst hobby", as I call it, is analyzing serial murders and what happened in their life that leads to their actions. You name them, Dahmer, Bundy, Manson or Ramirez - every single one of them was raised in very poor conditions with physical and mental abuse, sometimes even sexual or the exposure to these things led them towards a path where antisocial and violent behavior became apparent very early on. And these things happened a lot in poor areas, because poverty is fuel for criminal activity.

And human development is something crazy. The smallest tipping points can cause someone to lose their **** entirely. Mike Tyson has brutal childhood memories and was a model citizen during his time with Cus. The moment Cus died and Tyson losing his familiy surroundings, he became the person he was exposed to as a child.

The root cause for why this **** happens is so ******* deep and horrible, but people don't want to talk about it. They sidestep the issue and go "It's the video games" for example.

Mindhunter is a series on Netflix that was really well done showing how the FBI started profiling these serial killers and what drove them. Their first big breakthrough using this technique was catching the Atlanta serial killer.

 

[RF-4CCane]

Is it okay if people get killed with knives as opposed to guns? Removing the tool doesn't make them well adjusted individuals.

Or machetes. That seems to be one of MS13’s choice weapons.

 

[Bender]

Mindhunter is a series on Netflix that was really well done showing how the FBI started profiling these serial killers and what drove them. Their first big breakthrough using this technique was catching the Atlanta serial killer.

That's also something... the glorification of bad stuff.

Why in the **** is there a series circling around Jeffrey Dahmer? Why?

 

[genxcane]

Black markets tend to thrive more so when an item is illegal. Access to Opioids has been cracked down significantly in recent years yet opioid deaths have sky rocketed during that time. Why, because they have created a $$ market where the cartels can make significant profits smuggling them from other countries. Mexico has very restrictive gun laws, yet gun violence is rampant in Mexico and they aren’t getting the guns from the United States.
Criminals will always find a way to get guns, no matter how many gun laws you enact.
In this particular incident, even if guns were illegal in Florida, LEO’s would still have access and this kid could have still taken mommy’s gun because she didn’t secure them.

I don't disagree that profitable black markets exist for illegal items. But at what cost? The kind of cost that a bank robber or drug dealer will pay or at a cost that some punk high school loser will pay?

Easy access to a black market gun through a theft or straw purchaser is going to be a lower bar than some international gun smuggling ring. This is an interesting article https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2014/08/12/inside-the-black-market-for-guns/

Besides, many of these guns aren't even coming on the black market. These kids are just getting them in their homes. That is absolutely something that could be better controlled. Maybe not that one but many of them.

By the way, Mexico does have a problem with guns coming from the US. A lot of them. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/guns-from-us-ending-up-in-mexico-60-minutes/